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AJC , I think, is hunkering down on thus one
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AJC , I think, is hunkering down on thus one

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Jan 25, 2023, 10:54 PM

Me [The Atlanta Journal-Constitution] Re: Who paid for the rental car ford expedition that c...


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Me haha

Them They had recruits on campus Saturday. They may have rented the car to take them around. Not sure.


Me: 1. Isn't it a dead period?

2 are 17 year Olds minors in ga? 17 adult sc


Oh come on someone break this open

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Jan 25, 2023, 11:01 PM

Interesting that the Journal has already forced the Athletic Dept to make their first statement.

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I really hope the news outlets

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Jan 25, 2023, 11:10 PM

AJC, TMZ, WSB, Fox 5 all hold their feet to the fire.

Underage at strip clubs.
Partying with employees of the university who were probably paying the bill too.
Drunk driving (pretty safe to assume) in university vehicle with athletes.

I hope the really tough questions get asked.

I hope the families of those that died sue the university.


More than anything, I hope this doesn't get swept under the rug.

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Re: I really hope the news outlets

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Jan 25, 2023, 11:45 PM

UGA will pay the families involved and it will disappear.

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Yep, the NCAA can't do anything, but there will be lawsuits...

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Jan 26, 2023, 12:07 AM

Millions in settlement money will be paid as quietly as possible. Then it will slowly fade away. The practice of university sponsored, all-expense paid trips to Toppers will need to be halted too, that is if they're not sued out of business. Letting underage kids in there is a no-no, and obviously giving them a buffet of drinks could be problematic as well.

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Jan 26, 2023, 7:24 AM

One of the articles said 18 is the minimum age to attend strip clubs in Ga. If they ran blood tests only on the driver it may be hard to prove underage alcohol consumption unless someone has video.

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Of course someone has video in 2023.

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Jan 26, 2023, 7:30 AM

Unless they have been paid off to delete it.

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Re: I really hope the news outlets

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Jan 26, 2023, 12:08 AM [ in reply to I really hope the news outlets ]

TigerCC® said:

AJC, TMZ, WSB, Fox 5 all hold their feet to the fire.

Underage at strip clubs.
Partying with employees of the university who were probably paying the bill too.
Drunk driving (pretty safe to assume) in university vehicle with athletes.

I hope the really tough questions get asked.

I hope the families of those that died sue the university.


More than anything, I hope this doesn't get swept under the rug.


If the employee was drinking and driving or chose to go out clubbing, how is that grounds for a lawsuit? If I get drunk and have an accident can I sue the maker of beverage? There are folks getting carjacked and murdered on a daily basis in Atlanta. Crime is out of control. Traffic is gridlocked on the weekends around the city with the interstate closures. There are several hundred thousand illegal immigrants in the city. The police department is in a state of disarray and have no answer for mass smash and grabs taking place across the city. Buckhead is trying to secede from the city which would buckle the entire tax base and turn Fulton county into a wasteland ruled by the gangs. And you think the population of Atlanta is interested in some teenagers visiting a strip club in Athens that maybe had their drinks paid for? They have over 20 strip clubs in Atlanta that are licensed and another dozen that pop up after hours and are illegal. Shootings take place at the more unsavory spots which they try to police. Have you ever visited Atlanta? Outside of shopping or a ballgame? The population of Atlanta is not interested in a second tier strip club in Athens nor two unfortunate souls that died in an accident. A blip on the daily radar of activity. Must have been a slow day for news. The AJC will be moving onto the next multiple homicide or city crisis before you can say cat in a hat if the residents of the city have any input.

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Jan 27, 2023, 12:36 AM

I don't know about Georgia but in Illinois, if you leave a bar and have been drinking, get into an accident and are under the influence, the bar can be sued. Also, when you are in an accident, you are tested.

I was in an accident in Illinois and while I was unconscious in the emergency room, they tested me for being under the influence without my permission. In the end, it didn't matter because I wasn't under the influence.

I was po'd when I found out and talked to my attorney. He said they can do it. Thats when he told me about if I had been to a bar and had been under the influence, that I could have sued the bar.

The bottom line is don't drink and drive!

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Re: I really hope the news outlets

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:04 PM [ in reply to Re: I really hope the news outlets ]

the question is were they acting in an official capacity, if so then the school has exposure. If not there is yet another set of inquiry wrt to the behavior of the employees and the use of school funded property. Either way this is a bad look for UGA football.

Your point about the AJC just moving on is likely valid, it is click bait though... they would not want to get scooped by TMZ.

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Jan 26, 2023, 8:13 AM [ in reply to I really hope the news outlets ]

No idea why they need to go to strip clubs when they've got these female "hostesses" who will do whatever they want for them.

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Jan 26, 2023, 10:07 AM

Please show a little respect for the young people who just lost their lives in this accident. Or at least for their families.

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Jan 26, 2023, 6:25 PM

Crap

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Were they underage?


Jan 26, 2023, 9:42 AM [ in reply to I really hope the news outlets ]

I was under the impression all the players were current players. Could they all be 21? What is the legal age for drinking in UGA, 21 or younger?

I will be shocked if alcohol was not the major contributing factor to the accident.

And, even if everyone was 21, I'm not sure in the grand scheme of things that makes a lot of difference.

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:47 AM

Legal drinking age is 21 in every state

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Jan 27, 2023, 4:10 PM [ in reply to I really hope the news outlets ]

Tell us what you really want: to be able to fall back on the 1980 jokes. To lord the two recent national championships over UGA fans. To be able to say Kirby Smart can't win the big game. After Kirby did win the big game, having the ability to say it was an isolated case. Tell us how you hope that somehow when the dust settles on all this UGA will be stripped of championships. If you'd say that at least you'd be honest.

Please don't pretend your rant is about concern for anyone in that car accident or some kind of moral high road.

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:02 AM

Whats your point? It's a legitimate inquiry into what does or does not go on at UGA. This is a bad look. The video speaks for itself, will the issues get looked into honestly or swept under the rug. Has very little to do with Clemson.

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It’s going to come out that the Expedition was rented by UGA

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Jan 25, 2023, 11:58 PM

And that is going to open up a world of hurt for UGA

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It was ALL on UGA's tab.***

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Jan 26, 2023, 12:09 AM



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That is my guess as well.

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:45 AM [ in reply to It’s going to come out that the Expedition was rented by UGA ]

I see no reason for one of the people in the vehicle to be renting it.

But, I'll wait and see. It could have been some booster who gave the keys to one of the women and said, "Here, take these guys out and show them a good time. Here's enough money to cover whatever y'all do. Keep the change."

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I'm not so sure money can make this disappear

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Jan 26, 2023, 12:31 AM

They can pay the families off to stifle nasty lawsuits. This is almost certain.

However, now that giant, juicy worms have leaked out of the can, the press, the public and (hopefully) the politicians will demand full disclosure. A legitimately credible independent investigator with no interest in defending UGA must be hired and issue a full report.

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Politicians?

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Jan 26, 2023, 4:58 AM

Georgia has two deadbeat senators that pulled the All-Star game out of Atlanta. Good luck with that theory!

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Re: Politicians?


Jan 27, 2023, 1:23 PM

If you think those are politicians and not con artists then you must have voted for president Fentanyl!

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Jan 26, 2023, 10:09 AM [ in reply to I'm not so sure money can make this disappear ]

Did you just use the words politicians and credible in the same statement??

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My bad***

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Re: AJC , I think, is hunkering down on thus one

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Jan 26, 2023, 6:56 AM

Clemson had to get special permission for coaches/employees to transport Ray Ray McElray's brother to school. This certainly looks like potential violations as far as transportation is involved, as well as potential legal liability. Paying the bill is in question too.

It was a tragedy and prayers go out for all involved!

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Re: AJC , I think, is hunkering down on thus one

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Jan 26, 2023, 7:04 AM

It’s not a dead period.

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Jan 27, 2023, 8:27 PM

Are you talking about AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) or Athens Jr.College!

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Jan 26, 2023, 7:42 AM

In the extended video it appears, at least to me that the young lady who was driving should not have been driving. It looks like her equilibrium was off for some reason

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Re: AJC , I think, is hunkering down on thus one

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Jan 26, 2023, 8:36 AM

Was she not a UGA employee (entertainer) that UGA say was "off duty" ?

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Did they really say she was “off duty”?

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:30 AM

If so…wow.
Stunning that they couldn’t come up with something better.
That doesn’t even make sense.

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Eventually, this will come out.

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:38 AM

No doubt in my mind lawyers will be involved.

I posted my thoughts on the incident in the thread with the AJC video. Here are my thoughts now.

1. UGA has released a statement saying that this was not a university sponsored activity.

Questions: Is it against policy for university employees to be escorting college students to off campus activities? Specifically, is is within university policy for employees in the athletic department to be escorting football players to strip clubs at 2:30 AM? One university employee was driving the vehicle, the other was riding in the front seat. Were they the ones who arranged the night out on the town? Was there a cover charge for the club? Who paid it? Who rented the vehicle? How was it paid for (personal credit card, or university card)?

I'm no lawyer, but those are questions I can think of. I'm sure there are 100s more.

And, even if the university employees did all of this without the knowledge of anyone else in the athletic department, how much difference does that make in a court of law?

2. If I'm the parent of a recruit I have to wonder if I want my 18 year old son in an environment like this for the next four years. One of the things coaches tell parents during the recruiting process is, "We'll take care of your son for the next four years. We'll care for him like he was our son."

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:41 AM

"University policy" and "illegal" are very different things. Violating a corporate policy is not a criminal act, necessarily. But, from a civil perspective, it would be relevant and may be grounds for restitution.

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Thanks. That is what I meant.

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:48 AM

I was thinking along the lines of civil liability, not criminal activity. Poor choice of words on my part.

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Jan 28, 2023, 5:37 AM

Agree policy is not law, but you have to have control of your department’s activities. It may be laws were broken that night. If the football operations knows or should have known there is a practice that allows or encourages young women employees to take players to entertainment venues there is a responsibility and liability. The job descriptions and those employees carrying out those duties have to be supervised. Was there an environment that encouraged questionable practices?

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Jan 27, 2023, 8:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Eventually, this will come out. ]

Have you noticed many of the elected U.S.Govt. officials obeying the laws that they legislated! Obeying the Constitution, etc...If they don't obey laws then what good are rules of suggestions! How many times was the mayor of DC arrested for cocaine!

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Jan 26, 2023, 9:51 AM [ in reply to Eventually, this will come out. ]

The other girl was in the rear passenger seat without a seatbelt too. The player that had minor injuries was wearing a seatbelt in the front passenger seat, the player pronounced dead at the scene was thrown from the car not wearing a Seatbelt and was sitting behind the driver who got trapped under the steering wheel.

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Re: Eventually, this will come out.

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Jan 26, 2023, 12:26 PM


The other girl was in the rear passenger seat without a seatbelt too. The player that had minor injuries was wearing a seatbelt in the front passenger seat, the player pronounced dead at the scene was thrown from the car not wearing a Seatbelt and was sitting behind the driver who got trapped under the steering wheel.


So, the deceased did not have sense enough to wear their seat belts as they were driving at an excessive speed at night. Hmmmm. Sounds like Kirby and the AD should be directly responsible for that as well. Probably a class on seat belts needs to be given to all UGA employees and athletes. Except everyone gets that training to obtain a license and there is a law that you must wear your seat belt. Being ejected from a moving vehicle do to failure to wear a seat belt is a leading cause of fatalities. Not sure it would have saved the female driver but likely would have saved the person that was ejected. Typical of our litigious society - look for someone to blame so the lawyers can get paid. Sorry, some poor decisions were made and a tragedy occurred. You park the vehicle in front of the campus as a reminder of what excess speed and lack of seat belts can do. It was done that way for 50 years and is an effective way to send a message. But then some lawyers got together and likely stopped that for some type of infringement.
Let's not forget that Fred Davis was running over 100 mph when he crashed his vehicle into an innocent person almost killing them and leaving them with a disability for life. Oh, and he was racing another player at the time of the accident. Is that a Dabo problem or a University problem? No, it is not. It is a Fred Davis problem.

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I agree with you.

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Jan 26, 2023, 6:56 PM

I am in no way saying that those people directly involved are blameless and not responsible for their actions.

But, I'm waiting on the facts to come out - right now I am asking questions and speculating on what the answers might be. But, as the facts come out I am very willing to say my speculation was wrong.

(I gave the hypothetical in another post that it is possible that UGA was not involved. It could have been a booster or any UGA fan who rented the vehicle, gave the keys to the woman and told her to take the football players out and let them celebrate.)

It was a tragedy. It is unkown what, if any, responsibility UGA had in the tragedy.

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Jan 26, 2023, 10:08 PM

bretfsu® said:

I am in no way saying that those people directly involved are blameless and not responsible for their actions.

But, I'm waiting on the facts to come out - right now I am asking questions and speculating on what the answers might be. But, as the facts come out I am very willing to say my speculation was wrong.

(I gave the hypothetical in another post that it is possible that UGA was not involved. It could have been a booster or any UGA fan who rented the vehicle, gave the keys to the woman and told her to take the football players out and let them celebrate.)

It was a tragedy. It is unkown what, if any, responsibility UGA had in the tragedy.



That's reasonable.
This particular tragedy and the events preceding does not strike me as something that would be organized by anyone at a higher level. More like friends (two employees off work and multiple players) out for a good time. Since the ladies are slightly older and employed with a salary, it's not surprising they would appear to be leading the group. Lots of talk about lawyers and the families of the deceased bringing lawsuits. Strange. If the driver was in fact acting on her own, and happened to be intoxicated, then the only lawsuit would be coming from the dead player's family and they would be going after the driver and/or her insurance company. What could the grounds for a lawsuit by the drivers family possibly be? That someone forced her to drink and drive at 3:00 AM? Sorry, that would seem to be the longest of long shots.
The facts will come out, but I'm not expecting some bombshell report. Could she have bought some drinks and dances for the players? Heck yes. Was she acting on behalf of the university seeing that these are young men she deals with on a daily basis? Unlikely. If you have recruits involved with strippers and alcohol outside the club in a hotel room then that's a planned event that's paid for in advance with an expected outcome and of course someone has to pay all the participants and organize the rooms and events. That's not the type vibe given off by this incident based on the parties involved and there familiarity with each other as all are affiliated with the team. We will know shortly.

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I thought the video showed...

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Jan 26, 2023, 6:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Eventually, this will come out. ]

... the front seat passenger was the other female.

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UGA has a lawyer overseeing all these details, I'm sure.

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Jan 26, 2023, 6:45 PM

The number one priority is getting away with recruiting violation without legal liability which would certainly expose the violations.

It's like stealing a car which hasn't been reported at stolen, getting stopped by cops and getting a ticket on your drivers license for running a redlight. It wouldn't take Columbo to put that together.

Imo, there's no way this comes back on UGA. That's not to say the university won't settle the suit out of court so it will stay out of court. Everyone involved will NDA it to death.

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I suspect the primary responsibility of the attorney...

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Jan 26, 2023, 6:59 PM

... for UGA is to minimize the financial burden for UGA as a mutually agreeable settlement is reached.

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I think if UGA is openly involved in recruiting violations..

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Jan 27, 2023, 5:52 AM

they will retain another firm to handle the settlement. I doubt UGA booster did more than finance the party. I'm not saying the University did the financing.

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Re: I think if UGA is openly involved in recruiting violations..

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Jan 27, 2023, 1:29 PM

Maybe not but they just signed 6 more 5* recruits who found out that a survey course in erotic dancing was part of the required courses at AJC!

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The Georgia legislature passed a law in 2016 granting

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Jan 26, 2023, 7:34 PM

state colleges a 90-business day pass (roughly 4 months) to release any information regarding athletics-related information. UGA right now has the legal right to stonewall any and every media inquiry, and offer nothing on its own regarding this incident, via state law.

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AJC Hunkering Down on this Story - Not

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Jan 27, 2023, 1:09 PM

Ah, not really. This will be forgotten by Saturday by anyone within 30 miles of Atlanta. State of emergency with protesters targeting police officers and rioting in the streets with windows being knocked out with bricks. Just a slightly larger story than teenagers in a strip club. AJC needs to come out of their work from home basements and get some street footage in the city if they have the bXXXX. Was planning a visit - change of plans.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/state-of-emergency-atlanta-riots-gerogia-governor-brian-kemp

If your passing through midtown or on the southside keep that head on a swivel.

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Why are 17 year olds allowed to go to a strip club?


Jan 27, 2023, 1:29 PM

They aren't supposed to be old enough to get in. This smells of Louisville Basketball.

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Were any of the 5 guys recruits?

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Jan 27, 2023, 1:53 PM

I'm confused. The only two names I've seen were football players. Were any of the other 3 recruits? I'm thinking it is possible all 5 were 21 years old.

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Jan 28, 2023, 2:11 AM

bretfsu® said:

I'm confused. The only two names I've seen were football players. Were any of the other 3 recruits? I'm thinking it is possible all 5 were 21 years old.

I have an email from Athens writer confirming the recruits visiting. I didn't even ask he volunteered it

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Jan 27, 2023, 1:58 PM

I hope they nail the dawgturds to the wall with this.... major law suits coming

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Lawsuits?

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Jan 27, 2023, 3:43 PM


I hope they nail the dawgturds to the wall with this.... major law suits coming


Maybe. The dead players family could sue the drivers family and her insurance company if she were intoxicated. Not sure who she would sue for drinking and driving or wrecking a vehicle at 3:00 AM while speeding. That sort of falls on her. Poor decisions have consequences and she made at least one poor decision by speeding and a second by not wearing her seatbelt. Sort of like Fred Davis is being sued for injuring someone while racing a teammate on the highway.

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