Again, the answer isn't finding a Dabo.

TNET: Bracket Watch: Margin of error thin but Clemson firmly on bubble

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Bracket Watch: Margin of error thin but Clemson firmly on bubble A pair of one-point road losses last week have Brad Brownell’s Tigers in a precarious position for NCAA Tournament hopes. CBS Sports bracketologist Jerry Palm h Read Update »

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Re: Not misleading at all. We won our round one game in 2011.

Feb 19, 2019, 10:15 AM

It makes no sense to reward a coach in a comparison of NCAA Tournament successes for winning the play-in game when the other coaches also made it to the Round of 64. We were basically lucky that the field expanded from 66 to 68 that very season, or else we probably would have even been left out of the field. You also have to consider that we likely would have made the NCAA Tournament in 2007 had the field been as large as it is for Brad given that we were a #1 seed in the NIT that year.

Even counting the play-in game and expanded field Brad has a 3-2 record, not a 3-1 record as you posted.

Rick Barnes made the Sweet 16 once, and the Round of 64 twice in 4 seasons as a coach.

Brad Brownell made the Sweet 16 once, and the Round of 64 once in 8 seasons as a coach.

Oliver Purnell made the Round of 64 three times in 7 seasons as a coach.

The major difference between Brad's tenure and Oliver's tenure is how they started though. Brad took over a team that had been to 3 straight NCAA Tournaments. Purnell took over a team that missed both the NCAA Tournament and the NIT the 4 previous seasons.

Oliver showed constant progress in his time here. Year 1 we went 10-18. Year 2 we made the NIT 1st Round. Year 3 we made the NIT 2nd Round. Year 4 we made the NIT Final. Years 5-7 we made the NCAA Tournament. Even though we didn't make it out of the 1st round, there was more than enough evidence that we were a consistently good program from those last 4 years.

Brownell has shown little to no progress. Year 1 we made the NCAA Tournament with Oliver's players. Years 2 and 3 we didn't make the postseason. Year 4 we made the NIT Semifinals. Years 5 and 6 we didn't make the postseason. Year 7 we made the NIT 1st Round. Year 8 we made the Sweet 16.

The main problem with this is that the most recent run has been spurred by basically hitting the jackpot in the transfer market, but that isn't a way to build a consistent winner, and we haven't been able to replicate in the last few years. It's year 9 and we start 1 non-transfer.

Brad isn't going to get fired no matter what happens this season, but he is going to have to recruit high school recruits at a much, much higher level than he has been if we're ever going to have a consistent program here. Al-Amir Dawes is a start and the highest rated recruit since 2011, but Oliver was bringing in players higher ranked higher than him basically every season.

I don't expect next season to be a success. I'm still hopeful that this year will result in an NCAA Tournament appearance, but, more importantly, I'm interested in seeing how recruiting fares. If there's still no improvement there, I just don't see the point in keeping Brad around because I don't see the path to becoming a consistently good program.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brad is a good basketball coach who could succeed at both schools that recruit themselves (the blue blloods) or the mid-majors, where no one really has talent and it's development, tactics, and fundamentals that win the leagues. I just think Clemson would fare better with a stronger recruiter.

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The only way a "basketball Dabo" would possibly be successful is if Clemson decided to provide many of the advantages the football program has, including:

-A facility improvement plan which gave our coach the best facilities in the nation, and updates those facilities as needed (i.e., not waiting 10-15 years to address them again)
-An aggressive budget which allowed our coach to hire the top assistant coaches available
-Additional support staff for recruiting, social media, training, nutrition, etc.
-Fans who show up consistently, cheer, etc.

None of these things are a guarantee of success, because unlike football, our basketball history is poor and our conference is quite challenging. It is still worth trying if we want to give our coach the best chance of success, whether that be Brad or someone else.

TNET: Bracket Watch: Margin of error thin but Clemson firmly on bubble

Re: TNET: Bracket Watch: Margin of error thin but Clemson firmly on bubble

Re: TNET: Bracket Watch: Margin of error thin but Clemson firmly on bubble

Stop it.

Re:lulZ - and what if they do make it?

You must have Brownell confused with Purnell

Re: You must have Brownell confused with Purnell

Not misleading at all. We won our round one game in 2011.

Re: Not misleading at all. We won our round one game in 2011.

Thanks, I fixed my math error.

Re: Thanks, I fixed my math error.

Re: Not misleading at all. We won our round one game in 2011.

Thanks for correcting my maffs.

Re:lulZ - and what if they do make it?

Yep - Ready for the run ..,,

Hey ... one of the best 68 teams in the country ...

oh, Pleeeeeeeesaaaaaaaa !

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