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Game Changer [2085]
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There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Ever since I got the e-mail about contributing to the 110 Society, I have been very conflicted. Since NIL has, in my opinion, spiraled out of control, I would be contributing to very thing that I think is ruining college football. The portal and NIL money have combined in a very bad way. In my pseudo-fixed retirement income, I am truly just about tapped out with my IPTAY donations. For the last couple of years, I have considered going up a level in IPTAY seeing it as "the last time." I think that I am going to do that instead of the 110 Society. If for no other reason, to somewhat protect my seating and parking from BIG 110 Society donors who will be getting IPTAY points for their donations. I think that an NIL cap should be set based on the average college team NIL total. Otherwise, the college teams with the largest/richest alumni base will DOMINATE college football even more. Heck, even the NFL finally set a team salary cap!
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Varsity [104]
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There needs to be a cap on your salary.
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:01 PM
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It's unfair to people that have less money for you to make as much as you do. Let's cap your salary at, let's say, 33% of what you currently make.
Don't like the idea of a third party butting in to your private business deals? That's exactly what you are advocating for others.
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TigerNet Elite [76868]
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as a holy lightbringer once said, "at some point you've made enough money."
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:03 PM
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From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs. By any means possible. Act Blue! For equity. 🇺🇦
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Varsity [104]
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That doesn't apply to NIL because the schools don't pay NIL.
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Dec 22, 2024, 6:34 PM
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The NIL collectives are not the businesses that compete. The 110 Society didn't play Texas.
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Tiger Titan [45800]
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This is a canard.***
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Dec 22, 2024, 7:13 PM
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Varsity [104]
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Wrong, Skippy. It's factual.
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Dec 23, 2024, 3:10 AM
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Why do the facts upset you so much?
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Tiger Titan [45800]
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Logical fallacy***
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Dec 23, 2024, 5:22 AM
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Varsity [104]
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Again, it doesn't apply in this case.
Dec 23, 2024, 3:11 AM
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NIL isn't interference.
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TigerNet Icon [152623]
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You are looking at this superficially
Dec 23, 2024, 1:00 PM
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and incorrectly.
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Varsity [104]
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Tortious Interference applies to the NCAA
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Dec 23, 2024, 3:28 AM
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For trying to interfere with private NIL.
That's another avenue for the NCAA and the schools to lose lawsuits.
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TigerNet Icon [152623]
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The NCAA is not interfering at all
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Dec 23, 2024, 1:04 PM
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I’m beginning to think you haven’t fully researched this topic. That’s unfortunate.
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Varsity [104]
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I'm convinced that your position is applied incorrectly.******
Dec 23, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Since its pro ball lite, then we need the same guidelines as pro ball
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:44 PM
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That is, caps, like revenue sharing.
The NIL is completely broken. Programs just shelling out money without rules and guidelines is bad, very bad. It can’t be sustainable, just like Saban and Swinney said.
The NIL will eventually be controlled and capped, one would hope.
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Varsity [104]
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NIL isn't salary. Ergo, it cannot be capped.
Dec 23, 2024, 3:14 AM
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Same goes for the NFL. The Chiefs have a salary cap, but it doesn't apply to NIL. Mahomes' NIL money for endorsing State Farm cannot be capped by the NFL or anyone else.
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Campus Hero [14074]
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Theres a cap on payments to players in all American professional sports
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Dec 22, 2024, 7:12 PM
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If there wasn’t one; all of the elite players in the NFL would be playing for the Cowboys or Panthers. You don’t think Jerrah woulda paid Patrick mahomes 100M/year to get him down to the star?
TX had never made a playoff and hadn’t won a conference title in 20 years until NIL became legal; now bam they got a title and back to back playoff appearances. Anyone who went to Austin this weekend, and saw how many resources they have, can tell you that only a handful of teams will ever be able to compete with them if something doesn’t change. Some measure of competitive balance is needed for a sports league to remain viable. If 10 years from now only 5 or 6 teams are competing for the largest prize then the whole product will lose most of it’s value.
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Varsity [104]
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There is no cap on NIL in any American pro sport.******
Dec 23, 2024, 3:16 AM
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Campus Hero [14074]
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There are measures in place to prevent circumvention of the salary cap
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:44 AM
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In all pro sports.
What’s happening in CFB isn’t true compensation for the value of a player’s NIL and you know that. The incoming QB for Michigan for example is getting reportedly 14M from Larry Ellison to sign with the school. Are you expecting him to be the next spokesperson for Oracle? Do you think he even knows what oracle, SQL, an ERP, or a data warehouse is? Most NFL QBs don’t have endorsements that high; for example Kyler Murray, who has been pro for 6 years, makes about 3.5M a year in endorsements. It’s pay for play pure and simple and EVERY pro league in the country tightly governs that.
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Paw Master [17807]
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Re: There is no cap on NIL in any American pro sport.******
Dec 23, 2024, 9:25 AM
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There is protection against recruiting for dollars. NIL is not being used as so. Players are being paid to attend schools. NOT to endorse a product. That’s what you don’t understand is broken. Texas boosters have paid individual players millions to leave other schools and play there (Makuba) and there is NO product he’s endorsing. Just the back of the check. That’s what’s broken. Why is it so hard to understand? Sure, let’s see them on commercials earning a salary for their NIL. NIL right now IS NOT THAT. What product or company is any of our players or ANY big name player representing? Few and far between.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: Theres a cap on payments to players in all American professional sports
Dec 23, 2024, 5:21 AM
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Yes but you are talking about payroll. And collective bargaining.
NIL is not that. It’s a private agreement, not employment, and cannot be limited by anyone, anywhere, in any field of business.
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Campus Hero [14074]
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Yeah thats what I meant when I said something has to change
Dec 23, 2024, 8:49 AM
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A collectively bargained agreement in some fashion with the players is the only way I see going forward.
The last part of your statement is inaccurate there are absolutely conditions and limitations placed on endorsements by the NFL, because their collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA allows for it. For example there are certain products, like banned supplements, that players are not allowed to promote. There are also measures in place to prevent endorsements from being used as a means to circumvent the cap.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: Yeah thats what I meant when I said something has to change
Dec 23, 2024, 9:58 AM
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No. There are not limits. Subway can pay Steph Curry 86 billion dollars and the NBA can’t do anything about that.
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Campus Hero [14074]
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Subway isnt affiliated with the Golden State warriors; specifically for the NFL
Dec 23, 2024, 10:29 AM
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the NFLPA has been given the right by it’s members, the players, to set limits and rules on endorsements. Under those rules the NFL can make sure that the starting QB for the New England patriots doesn’t have a 10M/year endorsement deal with Gillette razors; which could be used to circumvent the salary cap.
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Re: Theres a cap on payments to players in all American professional sports
Dec 23, 2024, 3:24 PM
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NIL deals for pro athletes can be limited to exclude things like alcohol, gambling, smoking, marijuana, etc. That's included in their contracts.
The South Carolina law bans NIL for "... tobacco, alcohol, illegal substances or activities, banned athletic substances, or gambling including, but not limited to, sports betting."
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Orange Blooded [2180]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:07 PM
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I wish there were a salary cap for NIL but there’s no way to do that legally. By definition, NIL is players being paid for their name, image and likeness, and in theory those funds do not come from the schools. The problem is Clemson is not a large wealthy school and as NIL money explodes, Clemson is gonna fall outside the top 25 from a revenue generating perspective and eventually from a performance perspective.
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Game Changer [2085]
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It started as Name, Image, and Likeness, but it is now simply pay for play***
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Exactly. No guidelines whatsoever.
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:45 PM
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Broken
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Varsity [104]
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Commissioner [1289]
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110 Society donations only count for points
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:20 PM
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In IPTAY. The level of the giving is WAY more important in determining parking that points. Way more. I finally decided to give to the 110, not because I agree with it, but because it’s here to stay and we are getting left behind. Number 27 in recruiting will kill us! We should be fine for the 2025 team( hopefully) but things drop off quickly after that.
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Game Changer [2085]
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Re: 110 Society donations only count for points
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:34 PM
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They can join IPTAY at my mid'ish level and donate a big pile of cash to 110 society and easily bump me. This same monetary proliferation between college teams is occurring between donors. At some point, it will make more sense for me to walk away.
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Game Changer [1732]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:23 PM
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As I understand it, the new settlement creates a “clearing house” to monitor NIL deals. That should be a big help in bringing the pay for play mercenary thing under control. They will have to declare the Player X is receiving market value for the deal he is getting. No more paying players $10 million to do a local radio commercial
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Associate AD [1089]
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:56 PM
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The rules have always been that deals have to be legitimate, at fair market value, and cannot be used as a recruiting enticement. But they haven't enforced the rules at all yet. With the settlement and the football players splitting up 16-21 million a year, they will have to enforce the NIL rules. The less than a handful of guys on national commercials will get most of the NIL money, just like it is with pro athletes.
Just need Cruz and Cantwell to come through with some protections for the NCAA.
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Varsity [104]
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That clause is getting many legal challenges
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Dec 22, 2024, 6:30 PM
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It violates the injunction in the Tennessee vs Ohio case. It violates the Sherman Antitrust Act.
If the NIL deal crosses a sate line, it violates the Interstate Commerce Act.
It will never survive on appeal.
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Letterman [154]
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:26 PM
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I am not paying for a college kids salary to play a school sport, that ridiculous and not what NIL was meant to be.
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How do you know what NIL was "meant to be"?***
Dec 23, 2024, 5:06 AM
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Paw Master [17807]
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Re: How do you know what NIL was "meant to be"?***
Dec 23, 2024, 9:27 AM
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It’s in the name. Getting paid for your name image and likeness. Not paid for your playing services. That’s revenue sharing. You’re confused. BoJangles commercials and revenue from that is NIL money. Dijon Bijan is NIL money. 110 society buying a player isn’t NIL. That’s tampering and mercenary pay with zero products endorsed.
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:41 PM
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Can't put a cap on someone's self worth. If I say I'm worth a billion dollars and someone is willing to pay me a billion dollars than that's what I'm worth.
What needs to happen to control the ridiculousness is reinstate transfer limits. Like sitting out a year and losing a year of eligibility.
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Paw Warrior [4605]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 5:45 PM
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There is no governing body with the power to enforce caps. Not possible until after the private equity buyouts.
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Recruit [65]
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Dec 22, 2024, 6:00 PM
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Even if you cap it, they'll still find ways around it. Expensive houses, cars, under the table handshakes, etc.
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 6:21 PM
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Of course there should be. The current system is the antithesis of amateur athletics. Far more removed than NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. If you're conflicted and have any questions about your ability to absorb it, I wouldn't contribute if I were you. Or wait until when and if limits are put on it.
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Varsity [104]
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Good. The NCAA amateur model was illegal and
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Dec 23, 2024, 5:08 AM
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exploitative. It's in the dumpster where it belongs.
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 6:22 PM
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Sorry op it what you are asking for goes against everything we believe in an Americans.
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Orange Blooded [2200]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 6:34 PM
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You tie in to academic success and progression. There is no legal issues doing it that way. For example
Freshman max earnings at 150k with a GPA of (fill in blank)
Sophomore max at 250 (GPA incentive)
Junior max at 450 (GPA incentive
Senior or degree in hand no limit on earning (GPA incentive).
If you step it in conjunction with academic progress, no court is gonna touch that. Tbey are higher institutions of education first and foremost. If tbis is a nationwide limit in conjuction with a 1 year sit out rule, some of these problems dissappear.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
Dec 23, 2024, 5:25 AM
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That’s absurd.
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Associate AD [1089]
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Re: That's absolutely illegal.
Dec 23, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Ted Cruz has a lot of work to do before July, although drafts of the bill already exist.
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Varsity [104]
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That bill won't affect NIL.
Dec 23, 2024, 1:24 PM
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And it's unlikely to pass. Congress will have much bigger issues on its plate
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Associate AD [1089]
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Re: That's absolutely illegal.
Dec 23, 2024, 2:59 PM
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They can still condition eligibility. An NIL deals that says the QB gets $1 million dollars for playing all games and not transferring is against the rules as they stand now. He can accept the money, but the NCAA can rule him ineligible for that illegitimate deal, just like they can rule him ineligible for gambling (in a state where it's legal), drugs, grades, etc.
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Orange Blooded [2461]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 22, 2024, 7:18 PM
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I don’t donate to any professional team so they can make payroll. So why would I donate to college football when I never got any assistance?
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Associate AD [1089]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
Dec 22, 2024, 10:21 PM
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Revenue sharing is going to be the analog to a salary (average of about $140k). Then NIL will be like legit endorsements that pro athletes get. That's the intent.
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Varsity [104]
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A legit endorsement in is a whatever the
Dec 23, 2024, 1:25 PM
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donors and collectives say it is.
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Re: A legit endorsement in is a whatever the
Dec 23, 2024, 2:51 PM
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That's just stupid talk.
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Orange Blooded [2180]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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I wish there were a salary cap for NIL but there’s no way to do that legally. By definition, NIL is players being paid for their name, image and likeness, and in theory those funds do not come from the schools. The problem is Clemson is not a large wealthy school and as NIL money explodes, Clemson is gonna fall outside the top 25 from a revenue generating perspective and eventually from a performance perspective.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102349]
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It's not going to happen but in the odd chance it does there is a system...
Dec 23, 2024, 4:11 AM
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which was used since the onset of college football which goes around any such nonsense, The Bagman.
It's not going to work because it's unfair. The poorer school won't sign onto it if the cap is far above what they can muster and the more wealth schools will not sign onto it if the cap suits the smaller schools.
I believe what might work is a cap on player payments if that didn't result in the return of the Bagman.
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Paw Master [17807]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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It’s not possible without government oversight. The judge has ruled the players earning potential Amy not be capped or infringed upon. She’s kinda been legislating from the bench. Tuberville is working on common sense guidelines and legislation to remove the tampering and illegitimate deals being brokered. I don’t have a problem with earning potential. I do have a problem with oil money buying the best players. Even the purest form of capitalism has guardrails in place.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:56 AM
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No capitalism anywhere has limits on how much you can pay somebody
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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I hate the ncaa but their hands are tied here
Dec 23, 2024, 9:20 AM
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The us congress and Supreme Court are the only ones who can change that
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Game Changer [1831]
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
Dec 23, 2024, 10:40 AM
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More than that there need NIL needs to bind players to contracts that at a minimum holds them to their current team through to the end of the CFP.
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That has been mythbusted many times over.
Dec 23, 2024, 1:33 PM
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The transfers have the right to enroll at their new school as soon as they finish the fall semester. Just like any other student.
We by is this so difficult to comprehend?
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Re: There needs to be team caps for NIL money
Dec 23, 2024, 2:55 PM
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The rules for NIL now say that the deals cannot be used as a recruiting enticement and can't be conditioned on playing time or remaining with the team. A player can sign any deal he wants, but they can still condition his eligibility on the deals being legit.
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Orange Blooded [2399]
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all they have to do is open a time for NIL then close, then open window for
Dec 23, 2024, 3:13 PM
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transfer that way they would truly get pay for NIL instead of committing to a school
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