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Dynasty Maker [3236]
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JAMA study on US State COVID Restrictions and Excess Deaths:
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Jul 28, 2024, 9:09 AM
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Very interesting study about the difference in excess deaths during the pandemic and restrictions that were implemented by the states, from the most stringent to the least stringent. It appears that vaccine and mask mandates were very helpful in limiting excess deaths. Things like school closures were not. This will be useful in planning for future pandemics, I think. And we know there will be pandemics again.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2821581?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=072624
Findings This cross-sectional analysis including all 50 US states plus the District of Columbia found that if all states had imposed COVID-19 restrictions similar to those used in the 10 most (least) restrictive states, excess deaths would have been an estimated 10% to 21% lower (13%-17% higher) than the 1.18 million that actually occurred during the 2-year period analyzed. Behavior changes were associated with 49% to 79% of this overall difference.
Meaning These findings indicate that collectively, stringent COVID-19 restrictions were associated with substantial decreases in excess deaths during the pandemic.
Exposures Age and cause of death.
Main Outcomes Excess deaths, age-standardized excess death rates per 100 000, and excess death ratios.
Results Mask requirements and vaccine mandates were negatively associated with excess deaths, prohibitions on vaccine or mask mandates were positively associated with death rates, and activity limitations were mostly not associated with death rates. If all states had imposed restrictions similar to those used in the 10 most restrictive states, excess deaths would have been an estimated 10% to 21% lower than the 1.18 million that actually occurred during the 2-year analysis period; conversely, the estimates suggest counterfactual increases of 13% to 17% if all states had restrictions similar to those in the 10 least-restrictive states. The estimated strong vs weak state restriction difference was 271 000 to 447 000 deaths, with behavior changes associated with 49% to 79% of the overall disparity.
Conclusions and Relevance This cross-sectional study indicates that stringent COVID-19 restrictions, as a group, were associated with substantial decreases in pandemic mortality, with behavior changes plausibly serving as an important explanatory mechanism. These findings do not support the views that COVID-19 restrictions were ineffective. However, not all restrictions were equally effective; some, such as school closings, likely provided minimal benefit while imposing substantial cost.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108116]
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CDC has stopped counting.
Jul 28, 2024, 9:41 AM
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Most countries have now switched to include pandemic years in the baseline. But some countries are still counting excluding the pandemic and they're still around 10% excess deaths. And if you dig down, you find an epidemic of heart attacks as the biggest contributor.
Interesting. We count influenza deaths. We are still having far more covid deaths than the worst flu years of the past several decades. But you can't find data for covid deaths but you can for the flu.
I know several business owners who still can't find labor.
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Dynasty Maker [3236]
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The results of the study made sense to me....
Jul 28, 2024, 9:52 AM
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When we consider deaths, to really get at the impact from the pandemic, you need to consider overall excess deaths, because some death "causes" probably aren't correctly identified.
I was always skeptical about school closures. It made more sense to keep them open, but have mask mandates in the schools. This study seems to back that view up.
Now, the next virus might attack younger people more, such as the Spanish flu. We have to battle the virus that's in front of us, which might be different than the last one...
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108116]
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And the laughs continue from the "experts"
Jul 29, 2024, 10:24 AM
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5% of people in the UK have AC. JUST 5%. Now we are told there is a summer cold and flu season, when for my entire life winter was always cold and flu season. The experts said (in the past) winter brought everyone inside, and that boosted transmission. Now they say the heat in summer drives everyone into AC, inside, driving this summer cold and flu season.
We need some more consistent experts.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/everyone-sick-moment-experts-reveal-33314757
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Dynasty Maker [3236]
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Is that an issue with the experts....
Jul 29, 2024, 1:48 PM
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or is it a case of changes on the ground that require new explanation.
I remember when I was a kid, we always played outside all summer. It was truly a 3 month vacation. Now, kids are indoors alot more, and only sporadically outside - some due to lack of neighborhood friendships, or overly-concerned parents, or because of too much heat....
My point is that not every change in explanation for something is because a problem with the experts. It's very often new data becoming known, or changes in something....
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This study seems useless and common sense
Jul 28, 2024, 11:20 AM
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So if we completely lock down an entire nation and wear masks so no in interacts, the vulnerable population with live longer? No ####.
Old people, people with weak immune systems, and those who are fragile often get sick from a close contact and unfortunately they die from it. Eliminate this contact chance and they live longer. Wow, great job pointing this out. Can’t wait for your next study that says if we keep all people indoors the chance of sunburn is reduced.
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Dynasty Maker [3236]
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Actually, the study seemed to show that lockdowns, to some extent...
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Jul 28, 2024, 2:09 PM
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were not effective.
Masking & Vaccinations were effective when mandated, and both were independent of lockdowns. The other things weren't as useful, such as school closures. I imagine nursing home closures were uniform across the nation, so harder to judge which states did better in that regard.
Sorry that my posting the study bothered you. Actually I'm not sorry. I get a kick out of people who pretend to be offended that these things get studied.
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Paw Warrior [4948]
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Re: Actually, the study seemed to show that lockdowns, to some extent...
Jul 28, 2024, 5:13 PM
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I don’t have a problem with mask mandates around vulnerable populations even during cold and flu seasons. I’m referring to nursing homes and hospitals. Otherwise , I’m just not a fan. I’m absolutely not in line with vaccine mandates.
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Solid Orange [1374]
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Re: Actually, the study seemed to show that lockdowns, to some extent...
Jul 29, 2024, 2:26 PM
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Masks need to be on more than just the vulnerable population. They do more to prevent the spread of diseases than prevent them in the mask wearer.
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Paw Warrior [4948]
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Re: Actually, the study seemed to show that lockdowns, to some extent...
Aug 12, 2024, 6:23 PM
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They had very little effect in stopping the spread of Covid. Did you ever notice how many people wore the masks? Many wore them around the mouth with the nose completely exposed. I always wondered what good people thought that was doing.
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