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With 99 potential #'s and 85 scholarship players, why ...
Jul 31, 2013, 9:38 AM
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With 99 potential #'s and 85 scholarship players, why .. do we need to have players "sharing" jersey numbers?
I fully understand that players have "favorite" numbers and highly recruited guys even make getting a certain number part of their commitment deal, so obviously coaches feel obligated to accommodate them at times.
I also completely realize that the duplicates are generally divided between offensive and defensive players, but I've frequently heard announcers say something like, "Wow, that TD pass was caught by ### who usually plays defensive tackle ... oh wait, that's YYY who wears the same number as ###"
From a practical sense, duplicating numbers for guys who are likely to get playing time is sort of ridiculous IMHO. Use duplicates for red shirts and scout teamers.
With all the other trivia the NCAA legislates, it seems as if this practice would be something they'd jump all over.
Take it out of the coaches hands and relieve them of bowing to the silly demands of teenage egos. Assign players an available number between 1 & 99 and tell them to live with it ...
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Well, chit!
Jul 31, 2013, 9:44 AM
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I can't give em money, cars, pot, coke, hores or furnish motel room and now I can't let them choose their own numbers?
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you're a bad man.***
Jul 31, 2013, 9:45 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102836]
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CT1988 doesn't like when you refer to her as a "man". She
Jul 31, 2013, 9:48 AM
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can't help that she has those large, calloused hands.
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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my bad, ct88 makes medusa look good, i was afraid to
Jul 31, 2013, 9:51 AM
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stare her in the eye.
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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retired numbers & positional rules for numbers might put
Jul 31, 2013, 9:45 AM
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a crimp in that.
just don't see the issue.
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TigerNet Elite [70902]
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There are only three retired numbers at Clemson....
Jul 31, 2013, 9:49 AM
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4, 66, and 28
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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guessing clemson isn't the only team that retires numbers
Jul 31, 2013, 9:52 AM
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and it was listed as contributory.
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Are there really rules strictly governing #'s re: position?
Jul 31, 2013, 10:00 AM
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If so, which numbers are designated by "positional rules" ... and if it is a "rule", why is that? Did the NCAA make the rule?
For instance,
QBs are usually under #20, but Doug Flutie wore #22
DL are usually higher numbers, but not always. Some big uglies wear single digit numbers.
OL seem to be anything from 50-79, but is that a rule?.
DBs are anything from 1-49, but also, is that a rule?
WRs 1-49 or 80-89
Heck, Banks McFadden was #66, so obviously "skill" guys wearing a "lineman's number" hasn't always been an issue.
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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the only cfb 'rule' i'm aware of is an ol one, the nfl has
Jul 31, 2013, 10:10 AM
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a hard n fast[easy bob] rule which college strongly recommends & traditionally follows. you'll get "7" on the dline in cfb, not in the nfl.
most of the numbering system was fan driven and didn't become 'official' until the late 60s or 70s.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102836]
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According to Wiki...
Jul 31, 2013, 10:15 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_number
In college football, a less rigid numbering system is employed. The only rule is that members of the offensive line (centers, guards, and tackles) that play in ineligible positions (those that may not receive forward passes) must wear numbers between 50–79. Informally, certain conventions still hold, and players often wear numbers in the ranges similar to their NFL counterparts; though the lowest numbers are often the highest prestige, and thus are often worn by players at any position. Kickers and punters are frequently numbered in the 40's or 90's, which are the least in-demand numbers on a college roster. The increased flexibility in numbering of NCAA rosters is needed since NCAA rules allow 85-player rosters; thus teams would frequently exhaust the available numbers for a position under the NFL rules.
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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haha, wellllll...
Jul 31, 2013, 10:18 AM
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i didn't know you wanted to get involved in the conversation mr helper?
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Game Changer [1640]
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Position Numbers
Jul 31, 2013, 10:20 AM
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when Banks played there were no restrictions on #. Later rules were changed to help referees determine elegible pass recievers, etc. as the passing game became more popular. At one time it was:
Backs wore 10-49. This was before single # became the rage. While not a hard and fast rule, QB's were 10-19 Halfbacks were 20-29 & 40-49; fullbacks were 30-39.Centers wore 50's, guards wore 60's and tackles wore 70's. Ends wore 80's. When flankers became common they were usually 20's. Defense didn't matter. 90's became common for d-line due to other numbers being required for offense. Same with single digets, QB's started the single diget phase. First player to wear #1 at Clemson, I think, was DB Peanut Martin.
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Re: With 99 potential #'s and 85 scholarship players, why ...
Jul 31, 2013, 9:52 AM
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The only hard fast rule is that 2 players wearing the same # can't be on the field at the same time. Within that framework, let the kids wear their choice of numbers.
Oh by the way, we dress well over 100 players for home games including redshirts and scout teamers. Got to be some duplications.
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CU Guru [1524]
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That was why I said ...
Jul 31, 2013, 10:03 AM
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From a practical sense, duplicating numbers for guys who are likely to get playing time is sort of ridiculous IMHO. Use duplicates for red shirts and scout teamers.
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Re: With 99 potential #'s and 85 scholarship players, why ...
Jul 31, 2013, 10:23 AM
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NCAA rules.
Cant have you QB with number 55.
NCAA wants center to be 50-59, Guards 60-69, tackles 70-79 and TE 80-89.
Control freaks is what they are. lol
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Linemen numbers help determine eligible receivers
Jul 31, 2013, 10:49 AM
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Basically if you are 50-79 you are telling the defense that you are not eligible. If you come in as a eligible receiver you have to notify the refs.
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CU Guru [1524]
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That part of it makes perfect sense ...
Jul 31, 2013, 11:44 AM
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But, the dozens of other oddball number choices and duplications is what I'm questioning.
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#'s are assigned by position
Jul 31, 2013, 11:19 AM
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And seriously.....skill position players look much better with single digit #'s than 60's 
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Re: #'s are assigned by position
Jul 31, 2013, 11:37 AM
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Well, maybe in general, but we see DT's and LB's with number like #2 or #6, so I'm not so sure what you say is totally accurate.
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Re: With 99 potential #'s and 85 scholarship players, why ...
Jul 31, 2013, 11:36 AM
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There are 85 scholarship players, then you have your walk-ons. Thats why.
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CU Guru [1524]
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and? they have the choice, why not excercise it?
Jul 31, 2013, 11:59 AM
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that has nothing to do with the reasoning or rationale for the having the choice.
i wish i could take away your angst. truly.
yours is just as valid as anyone else's feeling on the subject, still, it seems like a lot of energy to spend on having 2 "6s" on the sideline.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102836]
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^^^has the choice to woohoo or not woohoo at games.
Jul 31, 2013, 12:57 PM
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Unfortunately, makes the wrong choice.
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been working on throwing my voice, hope it works...
Jul 31, 2013, 1:03 PM
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fingers crossed.
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Yes ... let's worry about jersey COLORS instead, LOL.
Aug 1, 2013, 12:40 AM
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... or any number of trivial issues brought up here each and every day with less gravity than potential confusion created by duplicate jersey numbers (which is not such an unreasonable topic to discuss in my view) ...
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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not worried about jersey colors either. have at it, if
Aug 1, 2013, 12:43 AM
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you're confused by dupe numbers, i can't help you, nor would i try.
good luck with that.
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All-TigerNet [11934]
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Didn't ask for you help ... nor would I.
Aug 1, 2013, 12:47 AM
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Thanks anyway.
Added note ... In this escalating war of silly words, I'm sure you will work hard to get the last word in.
And maybe you will ...
Or at least your parting post below will make you think you did.
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TigerNet HOFer [124243]
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not your first mistake, but it wasn't offered nor would it
Aug 1, 2013, 12:52 AM
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be. just can't help some people.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102836]
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Re: With 99 potential #'s and 85 scholarship players, why ...
Jul 31, 2013, 12:22 PM
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walkons get numbers too.
I applaud you for finding something original against which to rant.
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CU Guru [1524]
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Re: Walk-ons ...
Aug 1, 2013, 12:45 AM
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As stated in the original post ... walk-ons (and red shorts) are the ones who should get the duplicate numbers ,,, but that's not the way it is working in a lot of cases. Starters are wearing duplicate numbers and that's the part that doesn't make sense when there are plenty of numbers to go around for all players who will be on the field every game.
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well, it's not "85" ttl it's a 100+ players which probably
Aug 1, 2013, 12:57 AM
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created the confusion.
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