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Do the same for social media “editing”***
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Re: Solution to police brutality
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Jan 28, 2023, 10:12 PM
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no one would be a policeman
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Fact check time
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Jan 29, 2023, 1:58 AM
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“no one would be a policeman “
False!
Do you realize some states have already removed qualified immunity? They sure have, AND they still have cops.
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Wasn’t qualified immunity a SCOTUS case?
Jan 29, 2023, 7:43 AM
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I thought you can’t get rid of it but only modify it.
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Re: Fact check time
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Jan 29, 2023, 8:36 AM
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https://www.cpr.org/2022/01/13/colorado-law-enforcement-hiring-attrition/
Stay tuned.While I certainly don't support police brutality or misconduct, having personally been in two situations years ago that could have ended very badly for me had I not remained calm, I think we also need to be slow to change a policy that will do nothing to help retain or recruit good cops.
I dealt with a lot of police during my working days and found the vast majority of them good people. Even years ago, many were weary of being painted with the same brush correctly used on rogue cops.
Cops will be much less willing to put themselves in position where force may have to be used even in a correct and appropriate fashion once lawyers and plaintiffs see a paycheck dangling in front of their eyes.
We will see how this goes. I definitely agree with better pay, training and even psych evaluations before hiring, but placing a cop individually liable for potentially necessary and correct actions will most likely reduce police forces through attrition and lack of recruitment.
Let's see how things go, before hopefully more than a handful of states choose this path.
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which of true tells you that many police officers are only interested
Jan 29, 2023, 8:43 AM
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in the job, if they know they can get away with things that citizens cannot. Which gets back to the root of the problem who wants to be a police officer and why
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Well,
Jan 29, 2023, 9:24 AM
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I don't think you can go that far. Some may have nefarious intent, but others may have noticed how litigous society has become and don't want to risk everything on a crappy, 40K a year job.
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Re: Well,
Jan 29, 2023, 1:50 PM
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Bingo.
Until the overall job environment gets better for police officers, then the good candidates will seek employment in another line of work, and those good cops already on the police force will seek a non-police career change.
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Re: Solution to police brutality
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Jan 29, 2023, 9:04 PM
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no one would be a policeman
...contemplating a force made of 100% policewomen 
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As long as criminals also remain in jail….***
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Jan 29, 2023, 9:28 AM
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Re: Solution to police brutality
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Jan 29, 2023, 12:52 PM
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Now do the same thing for politicians. No reason they should be able to do whatever they want and not get sued into oblivion. The average politician will take a #### on far more citizens than any cop could ever hope to. Your crime or immigration policies get someone killed? You're liable. You destroy someone's job? Time to hire a lawyer scumbag.
It'll never cease to amaze me how people can hate cops but not feel similar, or worse, disdain for politicians. At least cops are trying to do a tough job for little pay. Politicians live like kings and don't do much of anything except take from their subjects, oops I mean citizens.
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I agree, politicians should have to suffer the consequences.***
Jan 29, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Re: Solution to police brutality
Jan 29, 2023, 1:26 PM
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“ t'll never cease to amaze me how people can HATE cops but not feel similar”
That thinking is largely part of the disconnect when asking for reform in BAD policing. The people that better policing don’t hate cops, they hate the actions that some cops use “the bad apples” I keep hearing about. In the meantime nothing changes. Because they back the blue side I’d rolling their eyes and don’t see any issue that needs change. I think we need cops… and better policing
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A more viable solution is to end the pretextual stops
Jan 29, 2023, 1:37 PM
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Which is when these episodes of police brutality typically happen. So the idea is that the Police are encouraged to stop you for the most trivial offense in order to have a pretext to possibly find drugs, weapons etc.
The thug police squad in Memphis was part of an anti-gang unit, like LAs infamous Rampart division. Even though the Mayor likes to brag about how effective they’ve been citing the quantity of arrests, they haven’t actually reduced overall violent crime numbers. So if they aren’t fixing the problem, and they end up creating greater animosity towards the police, then it seems like the pretext stops by these kind of units are truly detrimental to the relationship between community and police. It fjust osters the belief that the community is being oppressed by the police.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-police-folklore-that-helped-kill-tyre-nichols
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Re: A more viable solution is to end the pretextual stops
Jan 29, 2023, 1:58 PM
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Not saying that Memphis was justified in hiring ex-gang members to help reduce violent crime, but might this apply to the statistics:
(1). Had violent crime in Memphis been INCREASING every year before the ex-gang member / policemen endeavor?
(2). Assuming that (1) is true, then would it be reasonable to acknowledge a merit of this endeavor if the rate of violent crime stopped increasing?
(I’m not going to take the time to look up the before vs after stats.)
Thanks.
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