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Majority of Clemson residents are against this project
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Primarily due to the additional traffic congestion it would cause. A serious comprehensive study of traffic, roads, retail, and housing in Vlemson area needs to be done.
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That traffic is coming whether they build there or not.
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:12 PM
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And it'll be better if it's built there because at least it is walkable.
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Look at lil Winkopp over here***
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:14 PM
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He's got a point. If Clemson denies a project I assume they move it immediately
Mar 26, 2024, 1:56 PM
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out of the city limits and everyone is worse off. The solution would seem to be on campus housing or stopping increased enrollment.
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His point is that it's better to hold your nose and accept high rises on Keowee
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Trail. I disagree.
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It's the pragmatic choice, as that as long as there is demand they're going to
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:44 PM
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feed it, and you'd rather have that housing where traffic is minimized as much as possible, than sprawled out.
But I don't agree the growth trajectory is something you have to accept. But fighting to get Clemson to dial back enrollment, which is the only think to "flatten the curve," is gonna be a doozy. Though, if you need someone to start taking scalps with you, I got a really good story about an outhouse and a bottle of campari. You just tell me the school official to work in.
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Pls copy/paste WSJ text***
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:50 PM
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As Ive posted many, many times
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:54 PM
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F all these people and the personal piggy bank they’ve turned our dear school into.
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GD real estate developers! Cant name one that should not be in jail!***
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:01 PM
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The genie is out of the bottle.
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:02 PM
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I think it's time to switch allegiance to Alaska Pacific University in Anchorage, AK. With an enrollment of around 300 undergrads, we'll be able to stay miles ahead of the Winkopps of the world.
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Theyll find us.
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:03 PM
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They always find us.
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People don't like to hear it but...
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:08 PM
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Barker put us on this path of cronyism at Clemson and we kinda got suckered into it with "aw shucks, I'm just an average guy/average grad like you" routine. And then we quietly let the groundwork get laid for questionable development, nepotism, admin salary hikes, and Tiger Brotherhood circle jerks.
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Lot o points [155944]
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I disagree with none of that, but do you think that the usual suspects
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:13 PM
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(Helms et al) initially got a toe hold during the short-lived do-nothing Curris years?
I don't see any of this crap flying under Lennon.
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That seems very plausible.***
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:37 PM
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Obviously on campus housing makes the most sense.
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Any alternative off campus housing probably has more significant traffic implications. Keowee Trail is walkable, alternatives likely not so much.
Traffic issues also heightened by lake constraints, major secondary highway intersections and Seneca - Easley - Anderson commuters. Student population growth is only part of the problem.
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From what I remember in 2002
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:22 PM
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No one wanted to live on campus. And why would you? The price was 2X as much and the space was half as much and you couldn't even have sleepovers with friends.
Isn't that why there is less housing on campus?
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The norm at most schools is to live on campus two years than off two years,
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:27 PM
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With wild cards like Lightsey Bridge muddying the water a little bit for those final years.
I would have loved for my son to live on campus his sophomore year at UT but there was zero option. All but about 800 spaces of available on campus housing goes to freshmen, and the remaining 800 go to a lottery of about 12,000 entrants.
It was less expensive and more convenient and took commuting and finding parking (another massive problem) out of the equation.
From what I can tell the situation is almost identical at Clemson, and the resultant demand has spiked area rents.
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Two other things that spike area rent
Mar 26, 2024, 1:30 PM
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The obvious cost of buying and owning a home in 2024 and Airbnb. I bet tuition increase is significantly higher than rent increase over last twenty years.......maybe I mean.
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Its not an irrelevant factor but rents in college towns have
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:33 PM
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Far outpaced the rate of increase in normal metros. I’ll try to find the article I was reading about it a couple weeks ago. The shitsnowball is absolutely rolling downhill from over enrollment at southern universities.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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The only evidence I have is
Mar 26, 2024, 1:35 PM
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McLovin 2 BR Housing in 2004: $550
Same 2 BR Housing in 2024: $850 (yes it was and is a dump)
Clemson Tuition 2004: $8,000 per year
Clemson Tuition 2024: $15,000 per year
15/8 = 1.875
850/550 = 1.55
1.875 > 1.55 therefore, tuition increase was more excessive than rent increase
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Ok, interesting stats, but that's pretty tangential to what
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:57 PM
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I'm saying. No argument here about tuition vs rent.
What I am saying is that Southern universities are getting over-enrolled.
The new students are typically well-monied northerners with a demonstrated propensity to pay more for the same thing here than we are used to.
There's no room at the Inn on-campus, so the properties near campus know there's more demand than supply, and that it's a seller's market, so sky is seemingly the limit on rent hikes.
My son has one frat bro from CT who is thrilled with the $2000/month he's paying for an apartment that's a 20+ minute walk to campus. Other friends were paying $775 this year and were told it was going to $1300 next year if they wanted to renew. It's bad man.
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According to the article, off campus rents now exceed on campus.
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Mar 26, 2024, 1:59 PM
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I'm not sure how that works out at Clemson, specifically.
The bigger (potential) problem is the close familial relationship between people trying to profit off of off-campus housing and the man who controls how many students need off-campus housing.
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my niece lived 2 years ago at one of the complexes by college avenue
Mar 26, 2024, 2:08 PM
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rent was 1100 per person for 4 bedroom apt, plus $70 a month parking if she had a car
That is the crime, any "walkable" livable place is going to cost at least $800 a month. Believe me I checked, and I'm not talking lazy rivers and granite countertops
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The university has torn down more housing than they've created
Mar 26, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Meanwhile, letting in more students. So that creates a housing shortage on campus that the Wink-off's of the world are more than happy to exploit.
Meanwhile, the green spaces created by the dorms that have been torn down will be replaced in time with academic buildings which can carry a higher return than housing. Some high tech labs, with professors, working on grants, that brings in far more money from a building than housing.
They tore down Johnstone and said it would be a green space, and it was for maybe 5 years. Now that "green space" is full of academic buildings.
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Another factor, moving Bridge program on campus
Mar 26, 2024, 2:31 PM
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which makes no sense to me
there is already a on campus housing crunch, bridge students taking most classes at Tech (still I think?), they had a nice thing going at the pier, but no let's move them on campus and take up most on campus apartments
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With all the land Clemson owns along Lake Hartwell they could afford to build
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Mar 26, 2024, 3:03 PM
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student housing and provide CAT buses to/from campus.
Look at the land around Garrison. They do not even have plans to provide housing for the vet school as it stands now, but there's tons of acreage there.
We do not need more traffic in downtown Clemson or Tiger Blvd.
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Shut down College Ave. Turn it into walkable greenspace/outdoor dining/vending
Mar 26, 2024, 3:26 PM
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with a street car down the middle connecting campus to 123.
Route campus traffic through 93.
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A monorail around the entire town would be an even better solution.
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Maybe even enhance that experience by starting a Disney Studies degree program.
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now we're cooking with a|ss.***
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