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Orange Blooded [3700]
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Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:08 PM
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Forfeited games. SEC commish basically warned that Players and coaches not vaccinated run a greater risk. Thoughts on what Dabo would ask of his players? If you are a non-vaccine person would you want the tiger players to be vaccinated or risk contact tracing spread and having sit out and forfeit risks?
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I have not been vaxed .. see no need. But if I were on a
Jul 19, 2021, 2:11 PM
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TEAM .. and the best way to insure we didn't forfeit games, I would get vaxed in a heartbeat. TEAM first .. all that other BS to the rear!!
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I am 62 years old and I received the vaccination in April
Jul 19, 2021, 4:42 PM
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2021. Vaccinations are as much about helping our communities AND our extended friends and family. It takes less than 15 minutes to be vaccinated and sit for any symptoms. Those few minutes can save our family and friends from the virus.
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Re: I have not been vaxed .. see no need. But if I were on a
Jul 19, 2021, 10:33 PM
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What if the United States was your team? Would you get vaccinated then? It helps reduce the spread and further variants from emerging. If you want this to end (like polio and smallpox) get a shot.
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All-In [44055]
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You hit the nail on the head. Most people today
Jul 19, 2021, 11:08 PM
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don’t respect other people. They don’t care about the “team” unless there is potentially something in it for them.
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This is the sad reality. Mis/dis information isn't helping
Jul 20, 2021, 7:55 PM
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either.
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Re: I have not been vaxed .. see no need. But if I were on a
Jul 20, 2021, 6:56 PM
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Covid is not even remotely the same thing as polio or small pox.
We have the data now and Covid is not nearly as deadly as the propaganda. It clearly and overwhelmingly affects old people and those with diabetes and obesity. Otherwise there is very little risk.
Less than 1200 people under 25 have died in America from Covid and nearly all of those kids had serious health issues before Covid.
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Re: I have not been vaxed .. see no need. But if I were on a
Jul 20, 2021, 7:14 PM
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Since you like stats…97% of hospitalizations and deaths are from non vaccinated people. Just get the #### vaccine.
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I thought it was 99.7% of deaths were non-vaccinants.***
Jul 20, 2021, 10:06 PM
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Re: I have not been vaxed .. see no need. But if I were on a
Jul 21, 2021, 8:02 AM
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Far MORE people are dying from COVID-19 than polio. One of the worst years for polio was 1949 in which 2720 people died. In 2020 we had over 345,000 deaths from COVID-19, and that was with far better medical technology than in 1949.
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Re: I have not been vaxed .. see no need. But if I were on a
Jul 21, 2021, 1:10 PM
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Some important information is left out here...the number of cases of polio in 1949. Information I found says 42,173 cases. So that gives Polio a 6.45% death rate, compared to 1.78% for Covid (34,170,000 cases vs. 609,529 deaths (which may not all be contributed directly to Covid due to possible changes in coding) Covid numbers taken from Our World in Data.
Comparing apples to apples then, if Covid was truly as deadly as Polio there would be over 2,000,000 deaths in the US alone (a potential number bantered about last year if you remember).
They are not comparable afflictions.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:13 PM
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Whatever each individual wants to do is what I hope they all do. I'm not a vaccine guy and will not be getting it, but it has all to do with my health and not politics, I also am not against others getting vaccines, I am just pro-informed consent/information and pro-freedom of choice. I hope all the coaches and players that want it, get it and I hope the ones that do not, do not feel pressured or attacked for sticking to their beliefs/reasons.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:15 PM
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But when your choice affects others, when do you accept responsibility?
Do you want 100+ other people unable to perform or do what they have been dreaming about all their lives based on your personal decision? Preventing hundreds of thousands of others to enjoy success?
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This is where the ncaa and the conferences need to be pushed
Jul 19, 2021, 2:27 PM
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to put in place some guidelines that exercise more common sense than they have to this point.
The players and/or coaches should not be pressured to inject a substance into their body just because there are nonsensical rules in place that could affect the team.
Take, for example, the nc state baseball fiasco. That involved multiple vaccinated players testing positive for the virus.
So…what difference did the vaccine make, other than those guys would have never been tested if other circumstances had not triggered it.
If anything, the policy of not testing vaccinated players up front was WRONG.
Is the virus that dangerous…or are we simply out to punish unvaccinated people? Which is it???
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Re: This is where the ncaa and the conferences need to be pushed
Jul 19, 2021, 2:41 PM
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So vaccines work this way
1) lessen the chance of infection
2) lessen serious infection
3) lessen mortality rates
With the initial covid strain, the percentage of effectiveness for mRNA vaccines were 93%, 95%, 95%. With the new Delta strain, this is down to 67%, 93%, 94% from data we have from Israel.
Now, to reach the point of eradicating a disease, you need over 90% of the population to have a vaccine to prevent the ability for the virus to spread. We are still 51% or so and likely won't hit this barrier.
So that being said, even with a vaccine, there is a chance players will still get affected, but this will be likely from an unvaccinated player bringing the virus in. If the whole team is vaccinated, you significantly reduce the chance of spread by multiple factors. And even if they are affected you lower serious infection to death to below 0.02% - which is less than the flu.
So, yes, to Dabo's message, he should focus on this. On data. On facts. On personal responsibility.
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Two things:
Jul 19, 2021, 2:49 PM
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1. Thank you for the lesson, however it includes many assumptions.
2. If vaccinated people are at such an incredibly low risk - then if the virus spreads (due to unvaccinated people, as you claim), why would any vaccinated people need to be worried about it?
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Re: Two things:
Jul 19, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Unvaccinated people allow the virus to mutate. The more people that get vaccinated the better.
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#1 is a bold statement. Where did you see this
Jul 19, 2021, 3:04 PM
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Study posted?
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Where did you see the "the virus only mutates
Jul 19, 2021, 3:18 PM
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In unvaccinated people".
I read through it pretty quick and may have missed it.
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Re: Where did you see the "the virus only mutates
Jul 19, 2021, 3:46 PM
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Oh, sorry thought you were referring to my bullets ... the unvaccinated post was someone else.
However, he is right though. While it isn't impossible for the virus to mutate in vaccinated, infected people, but in the vast majority of cases, mutations will arise in in unvaccinated people. the virus works around infecting the body, figuring out different ways to infect you, etc. Whereas in a vaccinated person, the vaccines fight it off and suppress the ability for the virus to replicate effectively.
Plus, additional studies have shown that mutations are arising out of long covid cases, which are 1 in 8 of covid cases (which is in the link i sent). Vaccinations, again, virtually eliminate long covid.
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Let's don't forget that . .
Jul 20, 2021, 12:03 AM
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some people's bodies have enough ability to defeat the virus. You cannot assume we are all the same. If the vaccine was perfect, why do we have 2 ( at least ) Olympic Athletes that tested positive?
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Re: Let's don't forget that . .
Jul 20, 2021, 12:15 PM
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Please refer to the earlier post from me on how vaccines work.
You are correct that immune systems are capable of fighting off Covid, however, without natural immunity, the body takes longer to defeat the virus and in 15-20% of cases now, results in long Covid. Due to this, Covid has the ability to continue to replicate and evolve and become stronger which is exactly what is happening.
With a vaccine, you eliminate the ability to get sick by over 90% in A-C strains, though because of viral evolution, is it 65% in D (delta). This is why we are seeing vaccinated individuals test positive for Covid. However, these individuals while catching Covid, are able to defeat it quickly and with little to no chance of being hospitalized or death.
The fear is the 40% of the population that isn't vaccinated will become petri dishes for Covid to continue to become worse ... which is what is happening. So while vaccinated people may get sick and may need boosters, we won't die, need a ventilator or get long covid. Unvaccinated people increasingly will.
Without the vaccine, you are opening yourself to a significantly higher chance of adverse health affects willingly. I don't understand why individuals would want to take this risk as i am sure you are vaccinated from Smallpox and TB, but it's your choice i guess. Good luck to you.
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Re: Two things:
Jul 19, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Vaccinated people have very little to worry about if they catch Covid. Correct. However, they can still infect people which poses significant risks to the unvaccinated. Especially with the Delta variant which is significantly worse than the initial Covid strain from last year.
Which i think is what happened in the NC State situation. An un-vaccinated player got sick and spread it to some vaccinated players which then got some additional unvaccinated players sick.
Now, this seems like a "what can we do" type situation, but if everyone is vaccinated, the probability of Clemson Football being a super spreader group is lessened tremendously. And even if so, we are protected from a health perspective for hospitalizations and death.
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Re: Two things:
Jul 20, 2021, 7:10 AM
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I don't think there's any proof that the unvaccinated players gave it to the vaccinated players. It could very well be the opposite
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It’s just very, very likely
Jul 20, 2021, 8:04 AM
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Easier for the unvaccinated players to catch it and easier for them to shed virus. Far more unlikely that a vaccinated player contracted it AND shed enough to spread it.
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2 things
Jul 20, 2021, 8:13 AM
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1. He said vaccinated people have little to worry about. That is true..but it is also tru that most people had little to worry about.... especially healthy people. The death rate of covid is very low.
2. Topic at hand. If I read the rules correctly,
The NCAA doesn't test vaccinated people. If the entire ncst team was vaccinated they would have never been tested. They could of had covid but no1 would have been tested so no positive tests.
If that renained.. then having all clemson football players vaccinated would almost guarantee no games canceled.
The variant is the varient. They could go back to requiring full daily testing.. if they do, you will get positives. Half the population could be walking around with covid right now....
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Re: 2 things
Jul 20, 2021, 12:19 PM
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The death rate pre vaccines was ~2.5%
Death rates will lower as a percentage of the total population because 60% of the population will virtually eliminate possibility of death. But as Covid evolves and becomes more deadly, we will see death rates amongst the 40% of unvaccinated people rise toward 4-5%. So while total numbers will remain the same or slightly lower, as an unvaccinated person, you are facing down a barrel on an entirely preventable death.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 20, 2021, 7:07 PM
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These are young healthy athletes. There should be no testing at all. Four of the NC State baseball players that tested positive were vaccinated. So either the vaccines have major weaknesses or the test is BS. Frankly, it's both. If you understand the PCR test you know why it's incredibly flawed. Even some PCR test experts have said it should not be used for Covid.
The stands will be packed with untested non-mask wearing fans. MANY unvaccinated.
But God forbid we have a young healthy person, especially an athlete, not get an experimental, non-FDA approved vaccine.
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I understand that many see risks on getting it medically and politically….
Jul 19, 2021, 2:14 PM
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I don’t want to go there with this debate. I just wonder if you were a coach or Dabo. What would you “push” as the vaccine message?
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Re: I understand that many see risks on getting it medically and politically….
Jul 19, 2021, 2:18 PM
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No I would not.
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He will probably follow the constitution
Jul 19, 2021, 2:24 PM
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And let them decide.
He has no authority to do otherwise.
Some 1 argued early he could double secret probation force them to. Which is true if he is low down dirty
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Re: He will probably follow the constitution
Jul 19, 2021, 2:31 PM
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To the initial question, yes i think Dabo will say it's your choice on what you do, but also, you're being selfish. In addition i would post Romans 13:1-3
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgement. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? The do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.
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How did that work out for Paul...?***
Jul 20, 2021, 12:27 PM
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Re: How did that work out for Paul...?***
Jul 20, 2021, 3:55 PM
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God's will am i right?
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Re: He will probably follow the constitution
Jul 20, 2021, 7:12 PM
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Selfish?
Seriously?
A young healthy person saying "no thanks" to a non-FDA approved experimental vaccine, especially when they have basically zero risk from Covid, is being selfish?
lol
Grow up and stop letting yourself be brainwashed.
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Re: He will probably follow the constitution
Jul 20, 2021, 7:36 PM
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Let's not forget, this is the vaccine Trump's FDA oversaw and released on his watch. This is not a Pelosi, CNN, Fauci or whatever crazy thing you think it is conspiracy.
If Trump didn't want it released, he could have stopped it. He didn't. He's the one who lowered the barriers to release it. Not Biden.
So how about we look inward on the brainwashing my friend. Have an original thought and not what Fox (which by the way has vaccinated all its on air hosts and has a vaccine passport), OANN and Q tell you.
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Re: He will probably follow the constitution
Jul 21, 2021, 8:05 AM
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A young, healthy person is still at a small risk from COVID-19. The risk of the virus is far greater than any risk from the vaccine.
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NIL won’t be the only thing to destroy chemistry, imagine…
Jul 19, 2021, 2:29 PM
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being the unvaccinated covid positive player who is a no go and causes others to not play. I could see lots of upset fans and players if it means a lost or FSU type cancellation
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Who knows.. we make a lot of claims here on
Jul 19, 2021, 2:41 PM
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How the locker room is but have no idea.
When fesster went to scar .. he was the antichrist on tnet.
No1 one on the team , including dabo, had any problems with it.
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NIL won’t be the only thing to destroy chemistry, imagine…
Jul 19, 2021, 2:29 PM
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being the unvaccinated covid positive player who is a no go and causes others to not play. I could see lots of upset fans and players if it means a lost or FSU type cancellation
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NIL won’t be the only thing to destroy chemistry, imagine…
Jul 19, 2021, 2:29 PM
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being the unvaccinated covid positive player who is a no go and causes others to not play. I could see lots of upset fans and players if it means a lost or FSU type cancellation
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Re: NIL won’t be the only thing to destroy chemistry, imagine…
Jul 19, 2021, 2:37 PM
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I imagine they will stop testing everyone soon (or should) I am not sure the point to test someone who is showing no symptoms (Like the CWS), all the studies out there have shown not a single person contracted covid while playing in a game/competition. It should be like the flu at this point, if someone has it and has no symptoms, no big deal, let them play--they are all young and healthy.
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Right, but that’s assuming some common sense (and actual science) will be used.
Jul 19, 2021, 2:42 PM
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Good luck with that.
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Re: Right, but that’s assuming some common sense (and actual science) will be used.
Jul 19, 2021, 2:44 PM
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Lol, great point!
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That is pretty optimistic and I don't see it happening but
Jul 19, 2021, 2:45 PM
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The election is over..
If the economy starts tanking ....i'm sure it will become the number 1 issue in the media again.
Right now it I add just min and a half segments.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:33 PM
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I would hope the coach would inform each player of the risk of getting vax or not getting vax. Then I would ask each: Do you want to be a selfish person because you're free to do so, or are you going to follow the good book and love thy neighbors and bretheren? It's really that simple.
By not getting one, you run the risk of exposing ppl who are not vaccinated and also those that are. No credible evidence suggests any medical reasons put you at greater risks of getting vaxed.
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the vaccination
Jul 19, 2021, 3:14 PM
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Does not prevent you from getting or spreading the covid .
If everyone on the team was vaccinated, they could still be kept from participating. The NCAA rule says if you test positive you go into quarantine, vaccinated or not. Then everyone you were in contact with gets tested, vaccinated or not. If too many people test positive.. vaccinated or not, you can't field a team.
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So who's going to be doing the testing in the SEC...?***
Jul 20, 2021, 11:50 AM
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 20, 2021, 7:17 PM
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lol
No one is selfish. Except women that have irresponsible casual sex without birth control or requiring condoms then scream it's their body and have an abortion, especially after the 1st trimester, rather than having the baby and letting a desperate loving couple adopt the child.
THAT is selfishness!
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:35 PM
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If I was Dabo, I would have a team meeting and say- here are my feelings on the vaxx.
Take it with a grain of salt. You are grown men and you have to do what you think is best for you.
We win as a team, we lose as a team- we forfeit as a team.
Then you just jump past the double dog dare and go for the throat
You triple dog dare them- I know it breaks protocol but sometimes you just have to.
If you want it get it- that's fine- if not that is fine.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:39 PM
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Why is my flag so much more out to the side than everybody else?
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No way in heck
Jul 19, 2021, 3:27 PM
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Dabo triple dog dares them. That is a severe violation that the NCAA will certainly enforce.
If clemson gets caught, The NCAA will force dabo to suspend all slide activities for a WHOLE day.
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Re: No way in heck
Jul 20, 2021, 11:56 AM
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Wow!
That would be like a death sentence for Clemson-
No slide for the day! I was caught up in the moment-
thank you for your wisdom and insightful- tutoring of knowledge!
Ha.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 2:54 PM
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These guys have constitutional rights to not take a experimental jab. Why don’t we give them freedom to choose?
It should be against HIPPA rights for it to even be public knowledge for the players in “My Opinion”.
Clemson could end up being responsible if they have adverse reactions if they push it. If I were their age knowing the facts I wouldn’t take it, but everybody has a right to choose.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 4:55 PM
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Just saw some stats today that I trust as reliable.
97% of all new cases of COVID are with people who have not been vaccinated. (Virtually all hospitalizations due to COVID are with people who have not been vaccinated.)
It is a shame that the vaccination has become a political position, not a medical situation.
If I were a coach I would have a private conversation with any player who did not have the vaccination and aske him to justify to me why he is not taking it. He better have a reason based on something other than political bias or "COVID is a hoax." If he couldn't convince me that his reason was valid (and it would be hard to do so) I would explain to him that he was not welcome in the athletic facilities until he did.
My statement to him would bem "Getting a vaccination is for the benefit of the team, not just you."
Note: I don't talk politics on this board but just for point of clarification, I am a Republican. And, I have made many of my Republican friends angry with me by telling them this, "I understand that you are not concerned about getting the virus. I do not understand how you can be unconcerned about GIVING the virus to someone else.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 20, 2021, 7:28 PM
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Here's the flaw in your argument.
If the vaccine is so great, vaccinated people have virtually zero risk from un-vaccinated people.
Each person can make their own choice. Others should respect individual choice.
FYI 4 vaccinated NC State baseball players tested positive, so that 97 percent number sounds like BS.
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Most of the SEC WILL be vaxed!!! Win at all cost…
Jul 19, 2021, 4:55 PM
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No way Saban or Kirby takes that risk. The league will follow suit
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 19, 2021, 11:25 PM
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civil engr was spot on with his response when he said, "Vaccinations are as much about helping our communities AND our extended friends and family". Getting vaccinated is not only to help yourself. vaccinations help your friends, family, neighbors and possibly most importantly, people you don’t know and will never know. It is simply the Christian thing to do, if you believe Christians help others. It is simply the common sense thing to do if you have any ability to process odds and probabilities. It’s simply the right thing to do if you care about your neighbors and fellow Americans. It’s the simple thing to do if you believe in sacrificing for your country. BTW, tell me what you're sacrificing by getting the vaccine. I gave up 30 minutes of my time when I got my vaccine. That’s it, nothing more.
If one doesn’t understand these concepts by now, they will not at any pint in the future. The statement made by one of you ..... "I don’t see any need” [to get vaccinated], is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen in Tigernet. BTW, look up the definition of ignorant before you get too offended. Don’t tell me I'm patronizing you. Don’t tell me I'm scolding you. Just chill out and get ready to accept what’s coming to you as you live on the dumb side of the Tale of Two Countries.
I’m tired of treating the anti vax crowd w kid gloves. Don’t ask me for studies and stats. Use some common sense. No more kid gloves. Anti vaxers are simply ignorant and blatantly harming others. I wish you the best if you get the vaccine. If you don’t get the vaccine, I wish the best for your friends, neighbors and acquaintances.
The anti vaxers throw around anecdotal stories that allegedly provide logic. Here’s an anecdote, I hope none of you end up like this guy ………
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/07/15/man-undergoes-double-lung-transplant-covid/7975676002/
No more kid gloves. Sink or swim anti vaxers.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 20, 2021, 12:13 AM
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I love the Trumper idiots defending peoples’ idiotic decision to not get vaccinated. Pure idiocy, thanks for nothing.
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 20, 2021, 12:32 AM
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Why has the FDA not approved the vaccine? Maybe because they know there may be risks in the future due to the vaccine being rushed out and don't want to be held liable?
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Re: Vaccine debate? With requirements for players to avoid
Jul 20, 2021, 3:30 PM
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so you gotta wait for a bureaucrat in the FDA to let you know you have better odds with the vaccine then without the vaccine?
pre vaccine 600,000 people died.
as of late April the US had 10,000 people with break thru cases, i.e. they got vaccinated and contracted a mild case of the virus.
you can spin numbers a zillion different ways, but if those who don't get the vaccine remind me of a river in Egypt.
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News flash - you cannot sue the government
Jul 20, 2021, 10:19 PM
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The FDA process is slow because of the swine flu vaccine and GBS in 1976. The licensure process for Pfizer/BioNTech formally started with a default target of January, but they say the review will be finished before then. Vaccine will be mandatory for the spring semester pretty much everywhere.
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Do you honestly think Trump did anything
Jul 20, 2021, 8:15 AM
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that really mattered with the vaccine? The mRNA vaccine was developed when George Bush was president. They were ready to go with it as soon as China sequenced the virus. The government relaxed some of the testing rules, but that happened everywhere else too.
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I don’t actually care. But we can give some credit where it’s due
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Jul 20, 2021, 8:31 AM
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All of the “experts” were saying it would take a few years to get a vaccine. Trump was the President and he pushed hard to get the vaccine out quicker.
He said it was coming, and still no one believed him.
Then, right after the election…boom! Here are the vaccines!
My point in saying that was in response to the moronic claims that only Trump supporters don’t want the vaccine.
I happen to not want the vaccine, but that is not driven by anything political.
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The vaccine experts had developed an mRNA vaccine for SARS
Jul 20, 2021, 9:59 PM
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but didn't use it because that virus died out on its own. Even you knew they were testing it last spring and summer.
I'll bet you were one of the clowns who said the virus would disappear right after the election. 90-1 odds.
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So why did so many scientists say it would take
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Jul 20, 2021, 11:31 PM
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a lot longer than a year to develop the covid vaccine?
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Because they had no idea what they were
Jul 20, 2021, 11:57 PM
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talking about. The mRNA vaccine had already been developed. It was a matter of customizing it to the new covid virus. How are they able to adapt to new flu strains with the flu vaccine (pdm09 took a few months, but that was mostly manufacturing time)? Ask yourself that question a few times.
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So you think scientists don’t know what they’re talking about?***
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Jul 21, 2021, 12:12 AM
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Just all the imaginary ones you refer to***
Jul 21, 2021, 12:19 AM
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Like Fauci? I actually agree with you here. Don’t trust a word he says.
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Jul 21, 2021, 5:18 AM
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-long-will-it-take-to-develop-a-coronavirus-vaccine/amp
From March 2020:
“Grasping for some good news, he (Trump) pressed the executives to deliver a vaccine within a few months, at which point Anthony Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (N.I.A.I.D.), spoke up. “A vaccine that you make and start testing in a year is not a vaccine that’s deployable,” he said. The earliest it would be deployable, Fauci added, is “in a year to a year and a half, no matter how fast you go.” “
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Good article if you understand it
Jul 21, 2021, 8:28 AM
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It even mentions the existing coronavirus vaccines and the plan to use the spike protein.
“A COVID-19 vaccine developed, LICENSED, and manufactured at a global scale in twelve months would be an unprecedented, even revolutionary achievement.”
Did you notice the word “licensed”? You are conflating development of the working vaccine with licensure. In a way it’s like confusing an invention with how long it takes to get a patent. Moderna and Pfizer had developed vaccines with the spike protein by April 2020. The review for licensure started officially on 7/17/2021 and is targeted for January completion. That’s around 20 months, if you can count.
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I can read, comprehend, count, and use common sense.
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