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Would an armed audience have helped in Colorado

Jul 20, 2012, 10:58 AM

(warning- long rant, csb, did not read to follow)

I didn't want to threadjack, so I started a new one.

Here's the deal- yes there were "smoke bombs" or "tear gas" (have seen both quoted) and yes, he had on body armor and a riot helmet... BUT

Suppose you take your wife and children to see a movie and this guy busts in. He starts shooting and ends up at the edge of your row in the aisle. He turns toward your daughter, lifts his gun... STOP

At this moment, would you rather be the guy with no gun, who is going to jump toward him knowing you're going to to get shot and likely die right in front of your daughter and wife, or would you prefer to have a .40 in the holster from the moment he steps into the theater, trying to find a way to protect your family?

YES- I know that even with guns, alot of people would have likely died in the process of getting this guy down. YES- I know that it's tough to hit vitals when someone has on body armor and a riot helmet, especially with smoke/gas in the air. YES- I know that the VAST majority of the population has a flight instinct and has no desire to save innocent lives when someone like this starts firing a gun, and very few people have the intestinal fortitude to even attempt to stay put or mount a counter-offensive.

HOWEVER, with no firearm, and a family with women and children that stand no chance of fighting the stampede out the door, you got 2 options- human shield OR stand there and watch your family die. Me personally, I'd rather at least attempt to get close enough to put one through his neck while he's turned the other way, or else at least show him what a few bullets through his legs and arms feel like on his way to he ll. Think about it- if even 3 people in that theater were armed and brave, they could have gotten to him before he could shoot all three, given him what he deserved (a warm swim in a lake of fire), and saved dozens of innocent lives.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but "everyone should just run as best they can to safety" and "there's nothing you can do if he has on body armor or throws a smoke bomb" are just not intelligent responses, and they lead to no solutions for dealing with situations like this. Everyone who is capable with a weapon should carry- not only for their sake, but for the sake of helping protect others as well, whether the innocents are family or just human beings that deserve our help. And NEARLY everyone can become capable with a weapon if they train. No excuses- do what you can to help. By the time the police arrive, it's just for a report. WE have to help protect innocent people. All of us.

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When I came in and there was of dudes in a POS boat that pulled in right behind me. Landing was empty..just us, on a weekday. Not much trafic at all.

I took notice of them, and started gettinng everything put up, trying to hurry to go get my truck. As soon as they got to the the dock, they started asking me if I had any beer, and also what kind of depth finder I had on my boat. They continued while I was tieing up, and I noticed then that two of them were all of a sudden at the front of my boat on the dock, and two were behind me on the dock staring at me. They kept on about having any "beer to lend" and then they started with "how much did that boat cost?" I kind of laughed it off--"nope, no beer, sorry" and just ignored the how much did it cost stuff--but they really didn't want to take "no" for an answer. They kept on with it.I knew where this was going. I could tell what I felt like was about to happen, and luckily about that time someone else drove up to put their boat in and thy kind of shut up.

I basically jumped off my boat in front of the two dudes in front of my boat--almost busted my @ss. I'll admit it--whether legitamitely or not--my jimmies were rustled. That landing doesn't get much traffic during the week. And it was low tide. They could have beat the crap out of me and tossed me in the water and noone would have seen or heard it.

Luckily 2 or 3 more trucks came down to put their boats in while I was off getting my truck. Had that not happened..I'm not sure of the outcome. I do feel like had they seen me strapping on a gun, the whole exchange would have been different...at least for me.

Would an armed audience have helped in Colorado

*making scoks to give more TU's****

If you had a few cops or military, trained and armed and

the gunman calmly walked up and shot over 50 people

I would take the chance of a few people being armed.........

I believe a big difference between your argument and the OP

Who gets drunk in a movie theater? Is this a common thing?***

Exactly! I do all my drinking on the job and it the car.***

typical american there

I did ONCE at the Astro - sat in the back

Hard to hold onto your bottle while you're "helping a few

i've missed you.***

I wish I could point you multiple times! *******

Yes! absolutely.....and point.***

POTD - on Friday................

It's good but this is POTD

I haven't been a big concealed carry proponent

Seems like a well trained and appropriately armed...

I used to think that. I don't any longer.

I don't see any historical precedence for that assumption.

Well...it stopped the cold war.

Rocky stopped the Cold War***

^^^ I'm glad SOMEONE paid attention in History class***

What happened?

I had the day off and went out on my boat by myself.

Geez. That sucks.***

Explaining it, reading it, it doesn't sound that bad.

Sometimes it ain't hard to tell when people are up to

Re: I had the day off and went out on my boat by myself.

Low tide? Were you at Bushy Park?***

If it wasn't Friday afternoon, I'd ask you to explain...

How could you have avoided this movie theater situation if

If movie theatre massacres become commonplace...

That's kinda the point.

Unicorns and rainbows in Troutland.***

Kiss my ###. ***

LOL***

It's a personal choice. And I know every single one...

Not to ratle you, but there's probably a lot more folks

Actually, no.

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All I know is their internet personas.

two requirements for NC CWP

Do you have to certify in some way that you're not...

Now that I don't know, just been dealing with gun stuff

Psychological evaluation once allowed me

I don't carry. Don't have a permit.

I'm with you. Like I said, I used to think the same thing

Re: I'm with you. Like I said, I used to think the same thing

disagree. Legal concealed carry lowers crime rates.***

Source?***

you first. google it. I can tell you would argue the

I did.

I would if I had time

I'm not anti-concealed carry.

then kill the psycho if possible and if threatened.

So there were no concealed weapons in this theatre?

How the hell am I supposed to know?

Exactly.***

That's where the "if possible" part comes in

if you spill said psychopaths brain onto the concrete before

Do you know how expensive it is

We're not talking about a small business here.

Yes, more guns will solve everything.....

Switzerland says hi.***

One incident....

With the diverse population we have, and the sheer number

China's not diverse, but they blow away the population...

and is a great source for cheap, lighly used

they also are politically oppressive

I've owned several handguns thru the years,

Did you see where the lady hugged the Detroit cop who was

She tell him she was carrying...

maybe you're dating the wrong guys.***

Me being able to protect myself has absolutely nothing to do

Hey OSF

As a husband and father, it's my job to protect my family as

Old guy in FLA internet cafe a few days ago

Re: Old guy in FLA internet cafe a few days ago

A midnight movie, and no one in the audience was packing?