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Topic: When will the ACC realign its conference
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When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:01 AM
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Divisions (NC and Virginia team rivalries be ######)? We need more border wars. Clemson also gets a short stick because we have to go to BC and Syracuse --no border rivalry there. We used to play UNCheat every year and in the late 70's and 80's we had a healthy rivalry. I think moving teams around may help the division races. Right now Clemson's Atlantic division has all the good teams in it IMHO. Go Tigers!!!!

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We don't need to realign the divisions, we need to

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:05 AM
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get rid of them (like with basketball). Keep FSU and maybe Ga Tech as permanent rivals then rotate games with everybody else. It's patently stupid that we only play Va Tech every six years, and only go to Blacksburg every twelve years. Top two teams meet in the ACCCG.

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Agreed, except

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:12 AM
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no conference championship games. Expand the playoff to 8, first round at higher teams home field. This expands the post season by 4 teams but adds no games.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:16 AM
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Technically it actually cuts 2 teams from today's CCG-


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 11:05 AM
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centered post-season. But in this case less is definitely more as far as I'm concerned.

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i was thinking the same thing..no more divisions..just

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:15 AM
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rotate and have top two play every year. I wouldn't even have a common opponent every year. If FSU is good we'll play them at the end. You wouldn't want to have to play them twice every year.That would be a huge disadvantage.


Divisions are the ONLY fair way to do conferences with more


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:41 AM
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than 10 teams (playing 9 conf. games). With more than 10 teams Then you can easily avoid the best 1, 2, or 3 teams in the conference if the schedule lucks out. With divisions there is a round robin on each side and the BEST team from each side plays each other and the chance of a rematch is greatly reduced. Asking to get rid of divisions is a disaster. The only way conferences could be better is if divisions are realigned every year based on the previous year finish to have more parity.


Clemson still would have played PITT this year in the ACC championship even if there were no divisions. They had the same conference record as Syracuse and the h2h win. 2017 still would have been CU vs Miami, 2016 would have been a rematch with Louisville instead of playing VT (dumb since VT had a better overall record), 2015 still would have been CU vs UNC, 2014 still would have been FSU vs GT, since GT had the h2h over CU.

I don't see why anyone thinks getting rid of divisions is better. Getting rid of the permanent crossover game with GT and rotate that thru the coastal is the better solution.

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Disagree. The SEC played 6 league games with 10 teams


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:58 AM
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prior to expanding to 12 for their CCG in the early 90's. Big 10 played 8 games with 11 teams for the longest time. It worked then, it can work now.

If we're rotating teams throughout the league like we could with no divisions (3 annual rivalry games + rotate) the league could easily mix up the traditional powers for one. 14 teams if perfect for an 8-game schedule - play every ACC 2x every four years minimum home and away.

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Re: Disagree.


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 11:22 AM
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With 14 teams and 8 conf games teams would be avoiding 6 conference teams. The Big 10 works because no one is avoided. When 6 teams are avoided one can easily avoid the hardest teams in a conference like I stated above. With divisions it is a guarantee that everyone plays a top team every year and doesn't sneak into the championship game. Too easy to sneak into the championship game with an easy schedule by avoiding playing 6 teams.

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Even with division structures you can look back at every


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 12:51 PM
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P5 conference the last 10 years and the regular season champ (best conference record) is pretty clear even with the limited sample.

My Big 10 reference was when they had 11 teams and played 8 games only with no CCG. That's the way they did it before expanding to 12+ and adding the CCG, approximately 15 years. SEC even moreso with 10 teams and only 6, count it, 6 league games.

If you're a championship caliber team then you are going to beat whoever you play. If you're not, you're not. If you're a great team that winds up with a loss or outside the conference's auto bid, then you're likely in as an at-large just as UGA would have been this year and us last year.

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You never know from year to year. Why does being in a


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 11:22 AM
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division guarantee that you don't avoid the best 1-3 teams in the conference?

Disaster lmao

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Do it like the NFL. Better teams get harder schedule based


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 12:37 PM
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on last-year's records.


Re: We don't need to realign the divisions, we need to


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 6:31 PM
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I like your idea.

Just sell it to Conference leadership


Miami - Pitt


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:22 AM
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Is probably the worst..

Like 60000 miles apart.


Re: Miami - Pitt


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:52 AM
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Only like 30000 miles if you measure it on a Flat Earth as opposed to this alleged globular model.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:24 AM
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...like FSU was in the Bowden days. No need to change things.


^ Underrated comment right here.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:14 AM
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Let's not touch anything until the status quo stops getting us to the playoffs.


Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 8:53 AM
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when you play everyone once in football and twice in hoops- that's a conference and how you build rivalries

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Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:10 AM
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Probably when the ACC gets 16 teams then possibly go to North - South Divisions.

South - Teams from FL, GA, SC and NC
North - VA, KY, PA, NY, and MA (need to add 2 Teams north of NC - ND and ?)


Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 6:28 PM
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North Dakota?

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I wish they would do something innovative and get rid


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:13 AM
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of permanent divisions. I've seen several ideas floated that would be much better than what we have now. Instead of going like 6 years between playing some of the coastal teams, I've seen other solutions where you play everybody in the conference at least once every 3 years while still maintaining one permanent rival.


If that is your issue, not playing enough variety of coastal


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:44 AM
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teams, then the ACC needs to get rid of permanent crossover rivalry games and just have the extra 2 conference games rotate between teams on the other side every year.


The ultimate solution to this whole conference thing is 4 16-20 team power conferences with an 8 team playoff.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:27 AM
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Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:38 AM
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that would be smart, that means the ACC will never do it....

Realign every year, top 2 teams head each division and then go down the list like a pick up team. Set up "permanent" rivalry games that play every year... the border wars games mentioned above... would keep some semblance of parity each year between conference regardless of how any one team is doing.


Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 10:44 AM
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I am for the traditional vs expansion divisions or North/South Divisions

Founding schools Clemson, Wake, Dook, UNC, NC State, plus UVA/GT
Expansion Schools FSU, VT, Miami, BC, Cuse, Pitt, Loserville

One, this solves the FSU/Miami "rematch" that never happens. Two, it kinda distributes the "power" schools a bit better based on actual champions:

Founding has Clemson (5) Wake (1) and GT (1*) with 7 total ACC CG titles
Expasion has FSU (4) plus VT with 3. So each has 7 apiece.

The major downside the the loss of FSU/Clemson but at the same time we would have a ACC CG matchup against FSU/Miami/VT is most cases. 12 of the 22 non-Clemson "appearances' in the ACCCG are those three schools.

If (heaven forbid) Clemson is not the "Founding" winner, there is a 4/6 chance an NC school (HA!) could win... and that would be good for Charlotte attendance. otherwise it would be Clemson GT which accounts for 10 of the 28 appearances.

Geography isnt bad for the Southern teams. The downside to the geography would be "distribution of powers"... great conference play but weak "ACCCG"
Gentlemen (South): Clemson, GT, Wake, State, UNC, FSU, Miami, Dook
Yankees (Nawth) plus Viginia schools. VT, Virginia, Loserville, Pitt, BC, Cuse


Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 4:09 PM
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that assumes the so called "power schools" remain competitive ... FSU is a dumpster fire right now...


Here's some stuff on the system that i support to


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 11:15 AM
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replace divisions.

https://www.sbnation.com/a/college-football-commissioner/end-divisions

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/6/16/11935718/ncaa-conferences-divisions-scheduling

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/6/14/11895556/sec-football-schedule-format-divisions-rivalries-rotation


Re: Here's some stuff on the system that i support to


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 11:42 AM
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No to loserville. Nope nope nope.


Re: Here's some stuff on the system that i support to


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 1:14 PM
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How about going way different and keeping divisions but instead having 8 16 team conferences. 2 Divisions of 8 teams each so you play everyone in your division and then rotate home and homes with 1 other team in the other division. Yes some of the rivalries would go away but this would make it a level playing field for everyone.

Have a 15 game season total:
-11 Game Regular Season: 8 conference games, 2 OOC games, and 1 FCS opponent
-1 CC Game
-8 Team playoff: First round played at the higher team's home stadium

Playoffs would be composed of the 8 conference champions, that way you still place importance on the regular season and you could still have some Cinderella stories but they'd all be warranted because they were all conference champions.

So for the ACC we could add in UCF and Notre Dame into them and reorganizing them into North & South, I actually like the "Yankees" and "Gentleman" division names.

ACC:
Yankees: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, ND, Va, Va Tech, Louisville, WF
Gentleman: FSU, Miami, UCF, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC, NC State, Duke


Close enough.


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 1:01 PM
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3 annuals and rotate the rest. For us I would hope it would be FSU, GT, and NCS based on historical significance. I would add a Syracuse vs FSU annual (+ Miami & CU) to give them FL exposure, plus BC for Miami (+ FSU and Pitt maybe) for the same.

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Yeah i think 3 would be sufficient as well. That's still


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 1:05 PM
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enough to allow all of the NC schools to play each other and it would preserve our rivalries with GT, FSU, and NCST.


Re: When will the ACC realign its conference


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 6:19 PM
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Since UCF think they so good , bring them into the ACC , and also bring Penn ST , or West VA .
Those would be two good teams , ND will never join any conference , until they have to . Or if u want to bring in somebody from out west , don't know who that could be . Just saying ,

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Clemson hasn’t played UVA since 2014, and won’t...


Posted: Dec 6, 2018 6:35 PM
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Until 2024. It’s absolutely ridiculous and negates the whole point of being in a conference together. Something definitely needs to change.

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