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Someone explain to me why TL is out of the Heisman race

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:12 PM
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He has played in 7 games... Had 2316 total yds and 23 total TDs 2 Ints
Thats 3.2 TDs per game and 330 yds per game

Mac Jones has played in 8 games...Had 2728 total yds and 24 total TDs 3 Ints
Thats 3 TDs per game and 341 yds per game

Both players have not lost a game so far this year and their stats are pretty similar

Trask has a loss but his stats are better...
Kyle Trask has played in 8 games... Had 2898 total yds and 34 total TDs 3 ints
Thats 4.2 TDs per game and 362 yds per game.

THIS WEEKEND:
Alabama is probably gonna light up LSU and Florida probably gonna put a hurt on Tenn.
I would also guess that Clemson beats on VT pretty bad...

So lets assume for a minute that all 3 candidates put up 300 plus yds and +3 TDs

Then you go into championship week.

Alabama beats Florida (most likely)
Clemson beats Norte Dame (most likely)
TL and Mac put up similar numbers in their wins

Trask is out of the race with the 2 losses IMO

Why does everyone assume Mac gets it over TL?

Trevor has a NC under his belt, will have a career record of 38-1, stood beside his teammates to fight social injustice, plays only 70-75% of every game he plays in and would be the first Clemson recipient of the award. I think he has Great chance and ESPN analyst are missing the bigger picture here.
I like his odds at 9 to 1 and if i was close to a casino would put money on him


Because Clemson.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:13 PM
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And because SEC, but mostly because Clemson.

If you think it could possibly be anyone other than Kyle Trask or Mac Jones, you’re just kidding yourself.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:38 PM
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This Right Here

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Thought before they even played that it would be Fields....

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:27 PM
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But, I am thinking Jones now too. Your SEC argument convinced me.

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Clemson and the Interloper are both in the top 4


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:50 PM
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The SEC only has one, as does the Big 10.

But, as they say, "It just means more."

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:25 PM
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Actually, I think he will win. That said, I've reviewed both Fla games and Bama games.

Trask - he's played every snap to the end of all but 2 games. Those 2 games, the other QB came in for the very last drive just to hand off.

Jones - he's played late into the 4th qtr in most games. The other 2 games he played til mid 4th.

Some of the games for both teams were way over well before they went out. Amazing Trevors numbers are so close to either of theirs.

In the end, I think esecpn takes that and the leadership into the vote and Trevor wins


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:36 PM
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Actually, I think he will win. That said, I've reviewed both Fla games and Bama games.

Trask - he's played every snap to the end of all but 2 games. Those 2 games, the other QB came in for the very last drive just to hand off.

Jones - he's played late into the 4th qtr in most games. The other 2 games he played til mid 4th.

Some of the games for both teams were way over well before they went out. Amazing Trevors numbers are so close to either of theirs.

In the end, I think esecpn takes that and the leadership into the vote and Trevor wins




Good Point! Trevor Lawrence basically lead the charge to even have college football this season! It's not just a "stats" award. If so, go back and take away some of the winners over the last 20 years. It's the best player - Trevor Lawrence has outstanding "comparable" numbers despite far less minutes played.
He is the best player and I wouldn't doubt voters who look at the whole picture "won't reward him as such"! Some of the former players know and one Lamar Jackson knowing what being out for Covid-19 is all about will go with "the best player"!


STOP LISTENING TO EsecPN!***


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:15 PM
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Unfortunately the majority of voters all listen to ESPN.


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:28 PM
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However the narrative is goes on those morning shows are usually how it all plays out. most of these voters are lazy.


Voters also know that he's the consensus #1 pick and best


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:32 PM
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player in college football.

I think he's a lock assuming we beat VT and ND.


Do they factor the Championship games into their sample size


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:07 PM
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?
I thought it was just a season award. Bc i thought that was why Lamar Jackson got it over deshaun.


Well this year the vote is due after the ACCCG


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:08 PM
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but some people will prob vote early.

I just think the fact that everyone knows TL is gonna be the #1 draft pick will drastically help his Heisman chances.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:15 PM
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becaus of th Vandy woman goalie. if she jumps ovr a guy he will hav no chance

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:19 PM
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That blasted 4 letter network kissing the SEC rear ends. It's their agenda to put the SEC first in everything.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:20 PM
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Billions of dollars committed to the SEC makes it their agenda.

It’s not show friends, it’s show business.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:17 PM
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I’m pretty sure he’s a lock for it. Don’t fret

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I agree. He will win it if he has 2 more good games.


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:31 PM
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Especially if he has a good one against ND and leads us to a win.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:27 PM
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You just can't stop it.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:28 PM
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SEC -- "It just means more" -- not!

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:49 PM
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I actually think trevor has a good chance because of his social injustice stance durning the summer. I dont believe in BLM but was thinking the liberal media would eat this up. All i hear for first few games was about him and rencher leading the cause. Also if u pay attention to the game commentators they will always mention him leading social injustice movement for clemson. I dont think he is having a better season as qb than trask but he has a good enough stats to deserve winni g the heisman.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:58 PM
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Dont forget he's the only one in the running who has beat the deadly COVIDs also, that has to count for something in 2020.


If TL has a good game against VT on prime time and ND


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:29 PM
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then he will win the Heisman.

Don't worry about what ESPN says. He's the consensus #1 pick and has had a very good season.

He just needs to have 2 more good wins on National TV and will get that opportunity over these next 3 weeks.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:35 PM
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Seriously, Trevor is too good to be defined by a fancy doorstop.


I would ask the voters one simple question

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 3:36 PM
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If your QB room has Trevor, Jones, and Trask... who would you start.

Trevor... every time.


BECAUSE ESECPN


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:08 PM
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is going bankrupt. ESECPN has doubled down on their misguided decision to push all things SEC to their entire audience. ESECPN is rapidly losing audience due to 2 decisions that ESECPN has made.
Decision #1 - cram a political message down the throats of our customers. This is a poor decision in my opinion because most of ESECPN’s customers don not tune in to ESECPN to catch up on the latest social trends and be bombarded with any agenda of any kind. Most of ESECPN’s customers tune in to ESECPN to be entertained by their favorite athletes/teams PERIOD. The added unwanted messaging is at a minimum irritating and for a great many it is a deal breaker.
Decision #2 - let’s cram all things SEC down the throats of ALL of our customers. This is a bad decision because guess what? While the SEC is in fact the largest customer base for ESECPN, it is not larger than ACC, B1G, BIG12 & PAC12 put together. It’s not even remotely close.

ESECPN is losing money hand over fist and the geniuses running ESECPN have decided to double down on the exact policies that are causing them to lose money hand over fist.

So we get 2 QB’s at 2 SEC schools crammed down our throats because ESECPN thinks it’s good for ESECPN.

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DO. NOT. CARE. Not until it's about the BEST player.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:04 PM
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This year, that would be TL btw. But many years, it's not a quarterback. The award is a farce.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:07 PM
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I am with you. After DW4 was passed over I tuned out.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:08 PM
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the voters are unobjective morons and totally biased in their assessment and voting.




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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:11 PM
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BC he caught covid, and the media has disqualified him, that allows them to pick their darling!!! But I actually believe that Clemson has a life band from having a heisman no matter how much better a Clemson player is over any player in college FB!!!

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Who knew the $EC was going to pull a Big XII and not play D


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:25 PM
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this year.


The $EC currently has ZERO (0) teams ranked in the top 25 in total defense. A&M and Georgia and 26th and 28th respectively.

Mississippi State is next at 35 followed by Kentucky (39), Bama (47) and Auburn (50).

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Part of the problem is we make our QB

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:23 PM
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throw too many 50/50 balls. Not sure why we do it in games it is not necessary. Also, we pull our guy too early in many games. In all of this it seems to be a lack of awareness....like in the game Saturday down at the goal line TL should have had a dedicated run call to make the score but we don't think about it and hand it off.
Everyone knows he is the best player in CFB but our coaches do the Dean Smith/Michael Jordan thing.


Agree...wish they would usethose opportunities


Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:26 PM
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To add some stats to TL's stat line.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:32 PM
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Who said he was out of the Heisman race?

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 4:38 PM
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The fix is in. We win championships not Heisman's. Team concept versus me me me.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:22 PM
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If it's only about the stats then Dillon Gabriel would be your winner! More yards. He has been sacked 20 more times than Jones and Trask! Which means he has been a warrior and standing in the pocket getting blasted to get those yards.

I don't believe Lawrence is out of it. Not really - no. And, I am not kidding myself! This is 2020 and people will not likely hold Covid-19 over Trevor's head. When he played - "who was better"? When they answer Trevor Lawrence - he will be announced the winner!

In a normal - non-global pandemic year he might be penalized for it: "don't think so this season"! He is the clear best player in college football!


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:23 PM
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If it's only about the stats then Dillon Gabriel would be your winner! More yards. He has been sacked 20 more times than Jones and Trask! Which means he has been a warrior and standing in the pocket getting blasted to get those yards.

I don't believe Lawrence is out of it. Not really - no. And, I am not kidding myself! This is 2020 and people will not likely hold Covid-19 over Trevor's head. When he played - "who was better"? When they answer Trevor Lawrence - he will be announced the winner!

In a normal - non-global pandemic year he might be penalized for it: "don't think so this season"! He is the clear best player in college football!




Some Data!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:09 PM
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Heisman is heavy on statistics and Dabo's unwillingness to run up the score.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:15 PM
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This will probably not be a popular post, but keep in mind that I post this only from a place of honesty, and not from being a hater. I do think Lawrence is the best player in college football, and had he gotten to play a full season then the race would at least be much closer at this time. I just wanted to make a few points.

1) Not everything is about bias the way so many like to make everything seem. If anything, Lawrence is as high in the Heisman race as he is based on bias, much the same as Fields is. By bias, I mean the results of prior seasons, and being expected to put up huge numbers this season. What I mean by that, is if you weren't a fan of any particular team, and you knew nothing at all about any of the players coming into this season then can you honestly say that you'd be picking Lawrence as the Heisman winner to this point of the season?

2) The award isn't a "who is going to be picked the highest in the draft" or who is going to have the best NFL career award. The award also isn't a life time achievement award. It's an award based on who the best player was this season, which is mostly based on stats and game results.

3) He hasn't really played a lower percentage of minutes per game than the other guys in the race. Lawrence has played in one less game than Jones for instance, but has attempted more passes than Jones. Jones and Trask both have a higher completion percentage, higher yards per completion, and more yards per game than Lawrence. Don't take what I'm saying wrong because I'm not saying that either guy is better than Lawrence. I honestly believe Lawrence is more talented than either, and wouldn't even consider trading him for either guy. I just cringe a bit when I see all the talk about everything being due to bias, when it can easily be shown to be based on the actual on field results.

Also, I don't think Lawrence is out of the running yet. We still have at least 2 games remaining, and possibly 3 if we end up with a game on the 12th. If he puts up huge numbers in a win over ND then that will go a long way towards putting himself in good position.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:16 PM
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Tiger fan makes a valid comparison, however I would love to dive just a bit deeper. Like TV ratings per segment, I would love to see yardage and TD comparison vs Quarters played. Heck, minutes played would likely make it even more glaring. How many games has Trevor played a drive or two after the half then hit the sidelines? I think that would show exactly how efficient they are at scoring with TL lined up. Dont get me wrong, those dudes are having great years, but Trask usually has to stay in because their Defense is suspect and Mullen is also happy to pad his stats. Mac plays a lot of the game as well. Although he does actually split production with Najee Harris who is a beast imo, but also makes Mac more efficient with his track team of WRs he can just bomb it and watch 6 go on the board. I will still take TL any day over them.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:27 PM
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'nuff said




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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:37 PM
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He hasn’t raped a girl, shoplifted chicken wings or had his family paid big money for his recruitment. He doesn’t stand a chance

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020, 5:54 PM
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He hasn’t raped a girl, shoplifted chicken wings or had his family paid big money for his recruitment. He doesn’t stand a chance




You forgot about Crab Legs!

TL - real shot at the Heisman in this Covid-19 year i.m.o. Like many jobs not holding missing days against employees - hard for me to see voters dismissing the fact TL is better than is Jones and Trask and has comparable numbers in far fewer minutes played!


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