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Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 7:01 PM
 

It's been 50 years since I was in a Clemson classroom. I stood in the crowd when Harvey Gantt was escorted by SC Hwy Patrolmen up the steps of Tillman Hall for matriculation (which went rather smoothly). So, has common decency among incoming freshmen at Clemson gone so far off the rails that students need to take this course - or is it that the Clemson administration has rolled over and joined the Berkeley crowd to promote an agenda to correct a perceived problem? If the course has a real reason, then I'm for it - but if it's a misplaced agenda, I'm not at all in favor:

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/clemson-university-requires-all-freshman-to-take-new-social-justice-course/

And I'm not asking for a friend. I want to know.


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Good lord, really?

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 7:33 PM
 

"...the module provided to staff included guidelines suggesting that it was possibly “racist” to tell someone they’re late for not showing up on time for a meeting. The module said that different cultures may perceive time differently and that it is important to be mindful of that."


lol..

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:15 PM
 

I worked with a black girl that was late EVERY day..sometimes up to an hr late. We would complain that she would be holding up other's plans if they had something scheduled for the morning. She told us it was the culture of black women to be late. After about 2 months, her culture let her down and she was fired.


Re: Good lord, really?

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:28 PM
 

> "...the module provided to staff included guidelines
> suggesting that it was possibly “racist” to tell
> someone they’re late for not showing up on time for a
> meeting. The module said that different cultures may
> perceive time differently and that it is important to
> be mindful of that."

That is actually true, for what it's worth. Islanders - I've particularly noticed it among Caymanians, Trinidadians, and Jamaicans - tend to have this "time be time, we be gettin' there when I and I be gettin' there" attitude - and trying to stridently insist on getting them to be anywhere at precisely X time is often setting yourself up for frustration...they literally don't have that file on their hard drive, and it is indeed a very ingrained, laid-back cultural attitude.

Just a different worldview. FWIW. Dunno if it's "racist" to not get that but it can lead to some frustrations on both sides to not. Especially on their turf, you'd best just roll with it and get on Island Time, mon...and you get there when you get there, no point in worryin' your head 'bout it....


they should go to school on the islands then

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:50 PM
 

show up late, get a zero

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Or, they need to attend a course on "Diversity", so they can

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:53 PM
 

learn to accept and respect the customs and cultures of others.

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Also have had the experience of dealing with other cultures

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:09 PM
 

On a professional level.

Arrived for a 9 am meeting in South American country .... drank very good coffee in the owners inner lobby until 10:15.
Business owner arrives and introduction until 11 am. Very casual tour of office and facility until 1 pm. Long lunch and some business discussions until 3 pm. Adjourned until dinner at 7 pm that lasted until 10:30 pm. Intoxicated - escorted by armed chauffeurs back to hotel.

Really have little recollection of any real business discussions.

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Re: Good lord, really?


Posted: Apr 21, 2017 10:09 AM
 

> > "...the module provided to staff included
> guidelines
> > suggesting that it was possibly “racist” to tell
> > someone they’re late for not showing up on time for
> a
> > meeting. The module said that different cultures
> may
> > perceive time differently and that it is important
> to
> > be mindful of that."
>
> That is actually true, for what it's worth. Islanders
> - I've particularly noticed it among Caymanians,
> Trinidadians, and Jamaicans - tend to have this "time
> be time, we be gettin' there when I and I be gettin'
> there" attitude - and trying to stridently insist on
> getting them to be anywhere at precisely X time is
> often setting yourself up for frustration...they
> literally don't have that file on their hard drive,
> and it is indeed a very ingrained, laid-back cultural
> attitude.
>
> Just a different worldview. FWIW. Dunno if it's
> "racist" to not get that but it can lead to some
> frustrations on both sides to not. Especially on
> their turf, you'd best just roll with it and
> get on Island Time, mon...and you get there when you
> get there, no point in worryin' your head
> 'bout it....

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:39 PM
 



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Re: Good lord, really?


Posted: Apr 20, 2017 11:32 PM
 

So I guess if you want to you can just skip all the classes and claim you came to them but were just late.

When they fail you you sue them for racism and make a pretty penny.

Wish I was a freshman again.


What is a "pass/no pass" class? Can't use "fail" anymore?***

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 7:36 PM
 




Re: What is a "pass/no pass" class? Can't use "fail" anymore?***

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 7:59 PM
 

It's considered a pass/fail class I'm currently a clemson student they already have one class like this is counts for 0 credit hours so I decided against wasting my time for some liberal agenda.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:11 PM
 

I SO, wish this wasn't true.
I thought college was for learning how to gain a professional advantage in the real world.
I admonished my daughter on upcoming university schooling.
"Don't go off to college and come home stupid".

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Re: Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:20 PM
 

I was there too and i want to know the same answer. Goes along with the so-called professor's hunger strike against US Travel ban for people we know nothing about. Saw where france has 24000 on their terror watch list and that's what some of these crazies want for America.


Re: Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:30 PM
 

The left long ago gained control of the education system but this kind of class at Clemson makes me want to vomit. Never thought I'd see serious discussions on renaming Tillman, either.


Re: Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 8:44 PM
 

The only way to solve this issue is to withhold any funds from donors to Clemson. They only hear if it hits them in the pocketbook.


Re: Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 9:03 PM
 

You're correct. And call them to let them know why you will be doing so. I, along with many others, already have.

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Re: Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 9:09 PM
 

it's upsetting to admit but more and more so am I strongely considering not sending my children to clemson. If this is the direction they are choosing to take; my children will not be there and surely I am not alone.

So be it and my wallet will suffer, but a private university may be the only choice left


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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:03 PM
 

Yeah, got a 13 yr old who is smart as a whip and probably a bigger tiger than myself. I mentioned about a year ago that daddys money isnt going to support the type of b.s. that has popped up the last 4 or 5 yrs at clemson. If she gets a full ride, so be it. But I wont send a dime to that university. If football wasnt a form of entertainment for my family, I wouldn't spend what I spend on that. If things keep going like they have the last 20 years, the kids that will come out of that place will be impossible to work around


Re: Social Justice at Clemson


Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:20 PM
 

Local, there are many Tigers starting to feel that way and it's a shame. I expect this kind of liberal nonsense at UNC....and would never consider sending my child to a leftist indoctrination school. Hopefully the higher ups take notice of the majority's insistence that we not become a place where safe spaces are provided after elections.


It's their loss, not Clemson's.


Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:30 PM
 

Clemson University wants well-rounded, socially conscious, 21st century kids.

If you yocals want to support our football team, so be it. But stay the #### out of our University.

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Re: It's their loss, not Clemson's.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:33 PM
 

lol well rounded as long as you agree with their leftish BS.

Congrats on your brainwashing

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:35 PM
 

It's not ok to be racist, misogynistic, and bigoted anymore.

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Re: Join us in the 21st century, won't you?

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 10:52 PM
 

Thousands of dollars spent to teach young people not to be racist bigots. That will be impressive on a resume. Dumb as a box of rocks, but i will not be the racist in your company. Your Hired!


Re: Join us in the 21st century, won't you?


Posted: Apr 21, 2017 10:01 AM
 

Ah there we go typical left wing response....

You dont agree with me you must be racist misogynistic and bigoted...

Great job proving my point. People like you are cancer to academia.

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Re: Social Justice at Clemson


Posted: Apr 20, 2017 11:42 PM
 

My daughter was accepted for this fall and we're seriously considering other options now. As much as I hate it, I doubt very seriously she'll be going to Clemson. :(

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Re: Social Justice at Clemson

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 9:01 PM
 

Trust me it's gotten very bad. It has become a swift moving slippery slope. It's sad seeing what was a once-unique university become just like all the other academically-liberal, indoctrinating schools.

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To prepare students for an environment they will encounter

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 9:26 PM
 

at most fortune 500 companies is a problem? Diversity and inclusion initiatives have been prevalent in business environments and government including the military for 15 plus years.

Clemson graduates should be prepared to function and succeed in these professional environments. It would be a shame if a young graduate innocently detracted from their career due to lack of D&i awareness and proper professional behavior.

Let me pose these questions: Does your company or organization have strict policies regarding internet usage, email, sexual and other harassment, discrimination etc.? Is there a pretty broad intpretation of what constitutes harassment?

Why we someone not want our students and graduates to possess knowledge regarding acceptable professional behavior.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2017 12:01 AM
 

Might not matter at Clemson but will be an eye opener when they get in the working world.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 9:48 PM
 

Y'all need to grow some and write the BOT and demand that this insanity stop or fire liberal Clements. That's what I 've done!


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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 11:19 PM
 

I told the Give Day beggers... Get off my phone and STAY off my phone.

The year I needed a favor for an out of state student to get a full ride (2012), the State of South Carolina populous bitching (FOR YEARS PRIOR) about relaxing trending acceptances, changes Clemson's acceptance for that year. One year later, Clemson reverted to pre-2012 acceptance standards, "accepting the best students regardless of state residence/affiliation."

I am a legacy. The best I got in 2012, for my student that I represented, was that 'out of state for an in-state deal scam.'

You don't scratch my back in 2012. F-you.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2017 11:22 PM
 

anchors, it was very smooth, and disappointing to the media, as this was the first one since the
riot when James Meredith was admitted into Mississippi. I am proud of the peaceful admittance of Gant and his amazing career since.

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I worked at Clemson for years...

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Posted: Apr 21, 2017 12:08 AM
 

We had to take diversity training as far back as the 90's.

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Did simple search on "Diversity in the Military" ....


Posted: Apr 21, 2017 9:30 AM
 

Numerous articles in military media by high officers making a pro-diversity case and an anti-harassment culture.

There is even an Army video promoting diversity and inclusion.

Yet similar messaging and training at Clemson is somehow a problem?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2017 9:52 AM
 

Not necessarily, but there are 2 ways it can be a problem to me:

1) if society has become so crass that the course is necessary for proper behavior by students, in which case perhaps Clemson is doing what all schools should do and giving students the behavioral lessons they should have acquired at home far earlier in life - which would be a societal problem for me and Clemson should be commended.

2) if there isn't a cultural problem, but the administration decides to require it anyway - in which case I would be very disappointed with Clemson's direction.

An overarching question to me is whether a course in "Social Justice" is a part of the diversity question - or if it goes off the rails to a place where excuses are made for others in order to enable sub-par or bad behavior by others in a polite society.... and the latter is something I suspect is at the root of the course the professors were asked to take on inclusiveness and told that it was OK for some groups to show up late for a meeting. The old expression of "What's good for the goose is good for the gander comes to mind. I do wonder if two sides of these questions are explained in the classes, or if the discussion is what amounts to a lecture on how those of privilege should be more accepting and tolerant of those less fortunate.

Thus, my question(s). Perhaps my questions should be directed to a far broader swath of society, but Clemson is a small slice of societal makeup and seems like a good place to start asking.


Re: Did simple search on "Diversity in the Military" ....


Posted: Apr 21, 2017 10:07 AM
 

I'm sure that military training also includes the requirement to show up on time for meetings and formations..... something that Clemson seems to feel otherwise about, as evidenced by the course professors were asked to take.

Is all of this about diversity - or is it something else entirely, but under the shaming banner of diversity?


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Posted: Apr 21, 2017 12:40 AM
 



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