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I have a problem with Mickey's blog today

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:28 AM

"Lost hope." Lost hope? Are you kiddin me? That sounds like the typical pessimistic Clemson fan that I am so tired of hearing from. This title makes it sound like we go the death penalty or something.

I take pride in Clemson as a school as much as a football program. I am proud of my degree (That I will be getting in two weeks) and the prestigious conference that I am a part of.

Stop acting like this is the end of the world. So we added Pitt and Syracuse. So what? For every BC, Syracuse, and Duke there is a FSU, GT, Miami, VT, and several others with a solid football tradition. The strength of conferences comes in shifts. I don't really see how the Big 12 or the Big 1o is really that far ahead of the ACC from a football standpoint. This is still one of the major BCS conferences with several teams capable of being top 25 staples

I like being able to play geographically logical rivals. Who wants to travel to Iowa State or Texas Tech for away games? How many Maryland fans do you think will make it out to Minnesota or Wisconsin?

Staying in the ACC was the best move for Clemson. Deny it all you want, but it's true

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Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:31 AM

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Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:34 AM

That doesn't mean we won't be capable of competing with them

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It'll just make it much MUCH more difficult.

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:37 PM

Considering they own us over the last five years, that's very bad news.

But hey, maybe if you pretend it doesn't matter, it won't!

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It ain't gonna help. It also doesn't help how

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 2:29 PM

Dabo downplays the importance of that game.

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There's something in these hills.

Dabo went on a rant

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:37 PM

About South Carolina and how pitiful they were. Downplays the importance? I say he does a good job of getting us ready, but execution last year was off.

The only way we were going to bridge the money gap

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:14 PM

(And not fundamentally change all of our rivals, our travel, and the makeup of our athletics) was to go the SEC. And that wasn't happening.

So, you look around, you make the best with what you have, and you lock the other likeminded ACC football squads in. If the VT's, and FSU's, and Miami's of the ACC (along with Clemson) get back to where they should be, then the reest will take care of itself.

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Point of order, right now there isn't a money gap.

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:26 PM

The group think around here is impressive. Say it enough times and it becomes fact.


And that analysis does not take into account the impact of ND or Louisville.


I know, I know...the SEC will start their own network and make bazillions. And apparently the ACC won't do that?


The ACC will start a network. It will pale in comparison.

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:38 PM

I hope all of you ACC pumpers remember this time, because in ten years when you're whining about Clemson's irrelevance you'll have only yourselves to blame.

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Didn't you pick us to win a NC next year? If that happens

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:44 PM

how could we ever be irrelevant in 10 years.

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I don't think you have to be an "ACC pumper"

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 2:26 PM

To agree that staying in the ACC was the best of the available options.

I don't think it would've been a good move to head to uncharted (and distant) waters with either of the bigs. And the SEC was simply not an option.

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Well I guess we'll see. ******

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 2:27 PM


Right, I'll be blaming myself...

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:35 PM

since I had so much to do with the decision haha get outta here

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No, the ACC can never bridge the money gap with the SEC

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:06 PM

We don';t have enough fans.

THE SEC is finally leveraging their assets(fans) and getting from TV what they are worth. THe ACC isn't worth as much, even if we have better teams on the field.

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So you gonna let the SEC rednecks give more than you?

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:34 PM

Brother, you need to come off that checkbook and join in the support.

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Well said CU2013.

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:36 AM

This end of the world crap is a pitiful way to approach things.

I agree. Clemson will always be Clemson

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:40 AM

regardless of the conference we are in. Best place in the world, man!

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Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:39 PM

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not funny...stop trolling***

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 2:04 PM

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Really? You're gonna TD this?

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:51 AM

C'mon. I'm just speakin my mind and making a point. You don't have to agree with me, just don't TD your ally!

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It was probably a coot, here's a +1 to nullify their

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:59 AM

impromptu judgement of a perfectly reasonable post.

I agree with everything you said. I'm sick of all that crap too. The way to rectify the situation is to simply start winning games...and that goes for the whole conference. We nearly have everything in place to be perennial power and if we can maintain that, we will eventually make a pass at a national title.

I'm right there with you

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:14 PM

I'm so sick of the woe is me attitude that many Clemson fans have with respect to the ACC. I think it is a good thing to be in a conference with the quality of schools the ACC has. I think it is a good thing that most of Clemson's competition is located in the Southeast in areas I can get to if I want to go to an away game. I think it is a good thing that the ACC has tradition.

I quit reading him during the Dwight Jones debacle***

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:18 PM

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Re: I have a problem with Mickey's blog today

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:20 PM

We were stuck in the ACC in the 1980s when we won it all....when we get to the point when we can compete for the NCAA championship and I hope it is this year then lets complain then...the down side we are stuck in the ACC and we cannot generate the revenue SEC schools do...the up side is we are stuck in the ACC and the road to the football championship looks a little easier to me....I am not happy about being in the conference either but this is where we are.

Well put***

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 6:49 PM

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Re:Now take it easy on Mickey he's worried and scared

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:22 PM

He's still trying to get the pass out done away with.

Mickey is slowly turning in to gurl parts


Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:24 PM

Mickey prefers the Big 12 over a SOLID ACC (in all areas)?

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:24 PM

Mickey sometimes lacks common sense, and he gets carried away with his emotions. Unfortunately he has a means to broadcast those emotions and lack of common sense.

The new ACC with it's GOR is far better than the Big 12 option. FAR, FAR BETTER.

"Lost hope"? Really, Mickey? Give me a break. That's completely overboard and ridiculous.

Step away from the ledge. Clemson and the ACC will be just fine. We have survived and thrived (when WE take care of business) just fine in far worse conditions. You should should try to take time to think things through before letting irrational feelings speak for you.

You're delusional. All the teams in the ACC don't bring

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:40 PM

as much as the OU and Texas brands alone.

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#1 in branding is Texas, #2 is Florida State, Oklahoma is #5

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:46 PM

Granted it's from 2008, I'm sure there's been some drastic changes in 5 years: http://espn.go.com/ncaa/revenue/_/sort/branding

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Besides, I don't want to be a part............

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:26 PM

of ANY conference in which USUCK is a member!!

Re: I have a problem with Mickey's blog today

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:33 PM

I have gone back and forth in the conference debate. I mainly just want to see the final $ per team/per year numbers to see where we are. If the SEC's newest contract give each team +5 million more every year, then yes we will be on an uphill climb trying to keep up with SCar. We got lucky with Dabo but when Spurrier retires, they will have tons of money to go hire another big name coach... can we? The only reason we were able to get Chad and Brent was because Dabo is a quality guy who gives up part of his own salary.

But with SCar its like always beating up on your little brother (the first 100 years) then one summer he grows 3" and its a lot more equal... only in this scenario little brother will out grow us 3" every summer with no end in sight just because of a TV contract.

Maybe the contracts arent that far apart but if they have a 50-100 million dollar advantage over the next 10 years, well what do you all think is going to happen?

Disagree that staying in the ACC is best for Clemson

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:51 PM

I have for years detested being a part of this North Carolina run conference. Seems that every decision that comes down the pike favors Tobacco Road,... and we're forced to tag along. Not saying the Big 12 is the way to go (definitely not!), the SEC is much more attractive and perhaps something that might work out someday,... with the recent ACC agreement, however, everything's been taken off the table for the foreseeable future. Sure do hate the idea of Clemson not being allowed any future choices,... but wait,... that's to Tobacco Road's benefit also,...!!!!
Some things never change, and Clemson continues to be North Carolina's lap dog.

Biggest decision in many years was expansion with Miami, BC,

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 2:14 PM

and VT. UNC and Duke were against.

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Well, we'll all know in 10-15 years if this was good move

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:57 PM

for us or not. Right now it's hard to know; pros and cons on both sides.

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Is it something other than Mickey's assault on

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 2:18 PM

the English language?

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Re: I have a problem with Mickey's blog today

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:38 PM

yeah, that money gap with South Carolina won't really matter either.

I'm not sure what you think you're saying, but when all is

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:01 PM

said and done the money won't be much different at all.

We can and will build whatever we need, and we can and will pay coaches whatever they need.

What exactly are you talking about?

I don't give a rat's #### about the ACC one way or another!

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:33 PM

I'm just Clemson, not ACC, not SEC and sure as helll not B1G or any of the rest of those trash cans filled with rednecks or yankee pole smokers.

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I agree and disagree with Mickey

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:38 PM

I too had a small sliver of hope that one day we'd join the SEC. Not because I believe they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just that the money is funneling into there now and it would be good exposure for Clemson. However, I had very little doubt that they'd pick us because it doesn't expand their TV footprint at all.

A few of the ACC schools just need to compete and win the OOC games and bowl games. SEC has Alabama, UF, LSU, and I guess add UGA. Auburn was a fluke and they're back to mediocrity again. That's 4 teams. ACC could have us, FSU, UM, and VT.

The one thing that the SEC has going as well is media hype and the fact that no one notices that their OOC schedules are a joke. Their pre-season rankings get all inflated, so if they lose it's to a "quality" opponent and don't drop much *cough*Florida the last two years*cough*. Then if they win it's because they beat a "quality" opponent and jump way up *cough*Florida again*cough*.

I'll admit that Alabama is good. #### good. LSU is very good too. Those two are the only teams I'd be very worried about playing and we beat one of them last year.

The ACC just needs to get the other football schools to step up, schedule our games like they do in the SEC (weak opponent or bye before a strong opponent), and sign better freaking TV deals and bowl tie-ins.

Re: I have a problem with Mickey's blog today

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:40 PM

I'm disappointed someone two weeks fron graduation doesn't know a huge financial shortfall compared to the SEC will be extremely difficult to compete with.

Oh, right, since our present financial situation is so dire

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:06 PM

If only we could come up with enough money for important things like a state of the art indoor practice facility, or stadium audio/video upgrades. Darn....maybe we can start holding bake sales or something

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They could get all the money in the world

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:08 PM

but they still couldn't make their school Clemson. Everything will be just fine

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Got any facts? Any at all?***

Posted: Apr 25, 2013 1:34 PM


Posted: Apr 25, 2013 7:25 PM

I'll give you some facts for my geography argument

The closest Big 12 school to Clemson is WVU at 502 miles. The next closest is Baylor at 941 miles.

There are 8 schools in the ACC that are closer then WVU. 6 of those schools are within 300 Miles of Clemson

The average ACC school is 410 miles from Clemson. Take out the furthest away (BC, at 960 miles) and the average distance drops to 355 miles.

The average Big 12 school is 970 miles from Clemson. Take out the furthest away (TX Tech, 1,251 miles) and the average drops to 935 miles.

Those are some facts. Now for some logic and reasoning.

I emphasize the distance from Clemson out of consideration for the players, not the fans. Can you imagine, as a student athlete, playing at Texas one Saturday (1,041 miles away), traveling back to Clemson, enduring a week of class, practice, and schoolwork, then traveling to Kansas St (1,036 miles) the next weekend? That kind of travel would get exhausting for the team, especially as the year goes on.

Do you need some more facts? Any at all?

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Posted: Apr 25, 2013 7:26 PM

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No problem bud. Notice how he had no response though.

Posted: Apr 26, 2013 5:52 PM

Weird considering he calls himself "knowitall".

Re: I have a problem with Mickey's blog today

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:18 PM

Thought it was a bit pessimistic myself. As far as iptay and tickets there is only so much advantage you can have. Alabama may make more than either of us but that difference is negligible compared to tv money. Thats the key. Pretty soon the SEC will pull ahead. The main advantage there is facilities and recruiting budgets. That doesnt always win the recruits though. Clemson will have the money to build state of the art stuff. So will fsu and vt. What this does is solidify who the football schools are in the ACC. I would say this deal puts yall in a place where in down years you are still one of the top teams in a BCS conference. If thats the case you just need a couple of more schools to step up. The potential is there. UM, GT, UNC, NCSU, and Louisville have shown they can be top 25 type programs. Win some big OOC games and BCS bowls and the prestige can grow quickly. The SEC wasnt happening for clemson but this was the next best thing. Plus holds SEC at 14 unless big 12 is poached which is even better for ACC. The only reason to be really desperate to get out is the fear of other football schools leaving. Now you know you are keeping at least 6 or 7 teams with the potential to put good products on the field.

Also the SEC being kept away from unc and ncst is good for both of us in recruiting. Now we would have to take ECU to get that state. Dont see that happening even though it isnt impossible. So both of us should continue getting quality players from NC. I wanted to stay at 12 but at least this should stop the shakeup for a while.

That's what I've been saying...

Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:29 PM

A lot of the doomsday crowd seem to believe that the SEC's stint of success is now solidified forever in football and that simply isn't the case. There is an ebb and flow to the football powers...there are so many variables that can happen between now and five years from now. All it takes is one scandal, one coach leaving, a couple of teams from other conferences abasing the SEC perceived power and then everything starts to change. What would happen to the SEC landscape if Saban left for the NFL? What if he left for the NFL five years ago? Do any of you think the SEC would be where they are at now? What would happen if an FSU, Clemson, Ohio State, or other non SEC program perennially started knocking off the SEC schools especially with the playoff system. ESecPN can't sell something that isn't there. If the SEC ever starts to lose steam, there will be plenty of other sharks in the water waiting for their turn to take a bite out of the lime light...

Kerrect! "Nuff" said.***

Posted: Apr 25, 2013 12:11 AM


Clemson will never be irrelevant!

Posted: Apr 25, 2013 12:33 AM

As long as the ACC have a BCS Bowl Tie in and an undefeated ACC team will get into the NC game. How can we lose??? It's kinda an advantage that the we only really have to play FSU VT(sometimes)...and the rest are not that good. As long as Clemson, FSU, VT are in the ACC(and the new grants just really wrote it in stone) the ACC will always he in the major conferences! Clemson is one of the kings or big dogs in this conference! The moment when we should worry is when FSU-VT scrambles...then its time to pace the floor. Clemson-FSU-VT are the big dog program that keeps this conference running in football! GUESS WHAT none of those 3 are gone they all are still HERE!

Everyone needs to chill

Posted: Apr 25, 2013 2:31 PM

Come on guys, right now it looks like the coots and the sec is ahead buy Leaps and bounds. There's one way to change it. WIN! Beat these sec schools, make their ratings drop, then see where the $ falls. A lot can happen in 13 years. Just look how far we have came since then, and u could say the same for the coots. I can defenly see Clemson, Miami, Fsu, and VT, being top ten. Maryland, Unc, UVA, and even Wake being top 25. NC State and BC, Pitt, Syracuse, all have been ranked in the last five years. I don't know why everyone wants to be in the sec. I don't want anything associated with a coot. The ACC can be the best football conference in the country. Yes, That's a fact. And Yes, It starts with the game on 8/31/2013. If we smack these sec schools around no one will give a rats ### about how much $ the coots have.

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