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Football Update: Kirk Herbstreit tweets about Clemson and SEC
Sep 18, 2013, 12:45 PM
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Legend [16330]
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seems like kirk has had it..
Sep 18, 2013, 12:47 PM
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up to here with the sec crap.he is spot on.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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I've had some unpleasant jobs in the past.
Sep 18, 2013, 12:54 PM
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Once I had to make a tiein to a live wasteline on the fourth floor of Greeville Hospital. I was the PM over the job but I had to be there when my plumbers actually did the work. We all got chitfaced cause that was part of the job.
Unlike almost all of ESPiN's 'talkers,' none of us liked it.
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Don't know why he is complaining, the company he works for,
Sep 18, 2013, 1:12 PM
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ESPN started all of this crap.
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Re: Don't know why he is complaining, the company he works for,
Sep 24, 2013, 5:54 PM
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7 National Championships in a row didn't hurt, either.
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Tigernet needs to pay attention to those tweets.
Sep 18, 2013, 12:47 PM
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People around here keep pumping this idiotic SEC/ESPN conspiracy.
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I'm glad at least one other person thinks it's idiotic***
Sep 18, 2013, 12:49 PM
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Re: Tigernet needs to pay attention to those tweets.
Sep 18, 2013, 12:51 PM
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You have to admit it looks pretty bad when they start talking about teams having SEC speed and power when there aren't even two SEC teams playing. I have seen it before, and I am sure others have too. I realize they are trying to promote the product they have paid the most for, but that doesn't mean I don't get sick of hearing about it. I think they have managed to create a backlash around the country.
Its like Tebow. Sure he was great in college. He seems like a great guy. When he was in college I was sick of hearing about him every 5 minutes though.
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I get sick of hearing it, but instead of blaming ESPN
Sep 18, 2013, 12:57 PM
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I blame the rest of the country for not beating the SEC on the big stage or creating an atmosphere that is consistently comparable.
Clemson FSU and VT have good atmospheres, but the rest of our league is a joke in that regard. Plus we have not sniffed a BCS title, as a conference, in a long time. Big Ten has some good atmospheres, but fails on the big stage. Pac 12 has done the best job to counter the SEC with Stanford and Oregon, but ever since Miami and USC declined, the SEC has consistently produced the best teams.
ESPN, like all media, is following what they think is most compelling.
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I don't think there's a conspiracy
Sep 18, 2013, 1:10 PM
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But I do think, just like in all media, there is a combination of the outlet reporting what is compelling (and thus getting viewership) and the outlet DRIVING public opinion based on the opinions of those doing the reporting.
There is little to no argument that the SEC is the best conference in college football over the last decade. To argue otherwise is to miss the point. However, when that fact is used by the outlet to raise the status of those in the SEC (deservedly or not) then it drives public opinion to the point beyond the reasonable difference in conference level.
So no, I don't think its a conspiracy, and I actually don't think its an intentional bias, but I do think that in reporting/covering the sport the talking heads of sports have created a dominance by the SEC well beyond reality.
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But all its doing is making everyone but SEC fans sick of
Sep 18, 2013, 1:24 PM
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the SEC. In fact, I believe the only real bias it creates outside the SEC is anti-SEC bias. I frequently hear/see people reaching for ridiculous arguments to the effect that the SEC isn't really better than anyone else.
Either way, there are many conspiracy theorists on this website who do directly suggest ESPN is in bed with the SEC.
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TO be fair
Sep 18, 2013, 1:27 PM
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They are in bed together. They have financial ties.
Now they also have financial ties to other conferences as well, but those are often more recent and less in depth.
However, as I said before, I don't think its anything but the normal progression of reporting being fed by public sentiment and then reinforcing and spreading that public sentiment.
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ESPN will do just as well if another conference rises up.
Sep 18, 2013, 1:30 PM
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ESPN can quickly and easily adjust contracts that funnel the most money from any conferences success to them. If the ACC somehow starts to rival the SEC, ESPN will be right there to collect.
It's not as if ESPN is instructing its commentators to pump up the SEC because it will better secure their wages remaining high. College football itself is the piggy bank for ESPN, not just the SEC. ESPN just believes, and I agree with them, that the SEC is currently the epicenter of college football.
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I'm not disagreeing with that
Sep 18, 2013, 1:34 PM
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But in the game of perception, it is always good to note how perception is driven and reinforced by media on all sides.
But you are 100% right that the SEC is the best conference in college football over the last decade. Not arguing against that.
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That is an interesting point... (way too long)
Sep 18, 2013, 1:46 PM
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I agree that the media can drive opinion, and I believe that is a HUGE problem with actual news. (politics, foreign policy, etc.)
I just think its a different beast when talking about sports news. I think the big difference is that ESPN-watching sports fans have a higher degree of relevant knowledge about the topic (sports) compared to CNN-watching people's degree of knowledge about the world. Sadly enough there is a much higher level of cluelessness about what goes on in the world, and this leads to a different consequence for media sensationalism.
The SEC is being sensationalized because its the best conference with the most attention... yet most people are sick of it. But your average sports fan knows a decent amount of info about the topic, so they are more informed with their reaction to ESPN-SEC sensationalism. It's easier for sports fans to see when a lovefest is corrupting analysis.
However, when CNN sensationalizes a topic, most people know only tiny slivers of the relevant information, and so that sensationalism significantly alters or even creates perceptions on certain topics. People don't have a good amount of actual knowledge to create an independent perspective and so they totally rely on the news for their opinions.
Hopefully that made sense.
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Everything is cyclic
Sep 18, 2013, 2:05 PM
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The SEC's time has peaked and is now on the decline in my opinion. Why? Because of all the kids who grow up NOT a fan of the SEC. When I was a kid I couldn't stand Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Nebraska, or Michigan (continues to this day) because that is all I ever heard about. How they were better than anyone else. Well the same is happening now. Do they have fans? Sure...but there are kids growing up out there who really don't like those schools because they are tired of hearing about them. Some of those kids are going to be athletes who will not go to an Alabama, SC, LSU, et al because they grew up hating them. Think it doesn't happen? How many kids in SC grow up having to pick sides? How many recruits do we lose each year because the kid grew up a SC fan and would never hear of going to Clemson. In the 70's it was Nebraska/Oklahoma, the 80's Miami/Penn State, the 90's Nebraska/FSU, and the 2000's came the SEC. This too shall pass.
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The problem with that is that CNN doesn't have a contract
Sep 19, 2013, 10:05 AM
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with the news makers they cover. The SEC pumping by ESPN began shortly after they signed the mega deal.
Shoot, even last week the story was about SEC speed on defense. HAHA. Those SEC defenses are giving up tons of points and yards. I'll never forget the Auburn/Miss St game where the final score was 3-2 and they were touting "SEC defense." Bullcrap...it was a crappy game.
ESPN can't be objective toward the SEC when they have this many of their game announcers as former SEC players and those players' coaches are still in the league.
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not all sec stadiums are "GREAT" atmospheres. therein
Sep 18, 2013, 3:51 PM
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lies the problem. espn would have you think they are. i present vandy, kentucky, and mizzou as examples right off the top of my head.
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Vandy Mizzou and Kentucky are better than half the ACC
Sep 18, 2013, 5:19 PM
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in terms of atmosphere. Compared to us? not even close, but dont forget who is in the ACC.
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I've been to games at Vandy and Kentucky
Sep 19, 2013, 9:59 AM
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The only difference between Kentucky and Duke is that Kentucky has more fans in the stadium that don't give a rip about football. There is no atmosphere and the only talk is about horse racing or Kentucky basketball.
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In the Oregon/ UT game, when UT went up by 7...
Sep 18, 2013, 1:24 PM
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the narrative that they went to was something about how the Oregon OL was "stunned" by how good the big, bad DL from an SEC team was. Then Oregon somehow recovered and went out there and gained over 200 yards on the ground and over 400 yards through the air.
Oregon should be #1, and I think they'd beat Alabama by 14 right now.
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Texas A&M is much better than anyone Oregon has played.
Sep 18, 2013, 1:27 PM
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I think Oregon could beat Alabama too, but I believe Bama should be number 1 at this point in the season.
I remember after week one ESPN had a story about the potential end of SEC dominance. So... that was a bit rash in the other direction.
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Herbstreit has long been the lone exception
Sep 18, 2013, 12:57 PM
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It's not just the last few days. He does buy into the "SEC Speed" thing from time to time, but he's also the loudest (only) dissenter--and has been for a while--when it comes to ESPN proclaiming that the SEC is King Of Everything And Forever Untouchable.
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I don't need the crystal ball to see Herbie is going to be..
Sep 18, 2013, 12:48 PM
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doing some SECrrius ### kissin in the coming weeks.
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in other news, eSECpn reduces Kirk's pay and fines him
Sep 18, 2013, 12:54 PM
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for saying such a thing about their beloved conference.
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All I know is he better watch out...
Sep 18, 2013, 12:56 PM
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The Ole Ball Sac is going to try and get him fired
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kinda makes me wanna join twitter....***
Sep 18, 2013, 12:57 PM
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Herbie is the one guy at ESecPN that can say this and get
Sep 18, 2013, 1:05 PM
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away with it. Nationally, people love this guy.
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Re: Football Update: Kirk Herbstreit tweets about Clemson and SEC
Sep 18, 2013, 1:14 PM
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When has fsu beaten an sec school lately.
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they beat Florida in 2010 and 2011, beat USC in 2010***
Sep 18, 2013, 1:27 PM
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they'll beat Florida this year too***
Sep 18, 2013, 3:42 PM
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This year, there is a marked difference in the honesty and
Sep 18, 2013, 4:11 PM
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sincerity in Herbstreit's social media accounts and his on-air persona.
I find it refreshing.
He'll call us out when we aren't living up to the hype, but maybe he saw the writing on the wall in the offseason...that the SEC isn't as strong this year, and that other schools are better, too.
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Does anyone know if Brock Huard has tweeted on the subject?***
Sep 18, 2013, 5:00 PM
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Too busy kneeling at the Sarkisian altar...***
Sep 18, 2013, 6:07 PM
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Welcome to Sakerliner Fan Sports Talk Herbie!
Sep 18, 2013, 9:50 PM
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Those coots are "specialist" on bragging about other's accomplishments
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Can Vandy,Ky, Tenn, Missouri, Miss St, Ark compete w/SEC?
Sep 19, 2013, 1:27 PM
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The idea that TEAMS compete with CONFERENCES is proof in and of itself that there is SEC bias. We dont want to compete with the SEC, we are already better than 3/4ths of them. And equal or slightly below the rest.
We want to compete with Bama, Oregon, Ohio St, Oklahoma etc.
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SEC done over stayed their welcome!
Sep 19, 2013, 1:38 PM
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"Lunatic Fringe?" Yeah, that 99% gives the 1% a bad name.***
Sep 19, 2013, 2:11 PM
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Everyone is getting sick of SEC SEC SEC!***
Sep 22, 2013, 8:28 AM
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Re: Football Update: Kirk Herbstreit tweets about Clemson and SEC
Sep 22, 2013, 10:01 AM
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Glad he's coming around to Clemson and ACC. Gave us mad props!
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If some of you don't think the
Sep 22, 2013, 10:08 AM
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SEC is the best conference in America, please offer one better and find an analyst that would agree with you.
Absolutely no one has ever claimed that the bottom of the SEC is good, but until recently, the SEC has had a very impressive bowl and nonconference record. Also, frankly, when there are 5-6 SEC teams voted by coaches in the top 10, that indicates they think highly of the conference as well.
I could also argue that the quality of the coaches, players, and fanbases is better than any other conference. Also, until recently, the SEC did have far superior athletes than any other conference.
So, you can continue to claim conspiracy at ESPN, but please, flip the channel to another sports station, and they too, will be talking about the most entertaining conference in college football.
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