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Article with some interesting data regarding killings in US

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 2:13 PM
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/the-institutional-racism-canard/


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Re: Article with some interesting data regarding killings in US

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 2:36 PM
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I stopped reading when the author used raw count as the basis of his argument. Its a flawed thought process.

Whites are about 73% of this country yet only 41% of the deaths (authors data 2017-2019) are white, while African American are 12.7% of the population but are 22% of the deaths.

Using raw numbers are nonsensical. To echo TL..."If you’re still “explaining” it - check your heart and ask why."


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Did you see the stats about who is committing

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 2:42 PM
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a heavy % of crimes? Read the entire article.


Didn't realize that...


Posted: Jun 5, 2020 9:25 AM
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Committing any crime should mean death sentence by cop.

How come white guys who shoot up schools and churches get apprehended peacefully?

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Re: Article with some interesting data regarding killings in US

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 2:43 PM
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You beat me to it NOVA... this article is complete trash with terrible “statistics” and no real facts like the percentage of population which NOVA nailed. Take this crap to your infowars message boards.

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well, you could have kept reading...

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 4:21 PM
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While African Americans are involved in two times more police shootings than their percentage of the population would seem to warrant, they commit 53 percent of murders and 60 percent of robberies — well over four times their percentage of the population. The political establishment would have you assume this statistical disparity is caused by institutional racism that myopically beams police attention onto black men. But we know the statistics accurately reflect reality because crimes get reported by victims — a large percentage of whom are black (also outstripping their share of the overall population).

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Re: Article with some interesting data regarding killings in US

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 5:39 PM
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Could it have something to do that African Americans are the targets of the police because they are committing a much higher percentage of the overall crimes than whites......they never discuss this do they because it does not fit their narrative......and the facts never matter to these clowns......yes there will always be a few bad apple cops (just like there is with any profession) who need to be taken out but if you follow and don’t break the frigging laws then just maybe you would not be targeted by the cops.......no one should be excused for being racist (no matter what your race or color you are) or breaking our laws and we ALL should be held ACCOUNTABLE.......Go Tigers!!!!


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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 6:58 AM
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Yeah, they are committing crimes - like "seat belt violation". A black man, Levar Jones, was shot by SC HP because of a seat belt violation. https://youtu.be/RBUUO_VFYMs?t=43

Or Philando Castille. He was pulled over, shot and killed in front of his 4-yr old daughter because he "looked like a suspect".

And the list goes on and on and on. These statistics listed in the article offer zero context. They only feed a false narrative for those that don't want to face the problem head-on.

When I was in my 20's I lived in a white section of Birmingham, AL (Hoover, Vestavia Hills). I had 2 AA roommates. They were pulled over by B'ham police on the way home ALL the Time because they were black; never cited. Us white roommates, never pulled over and harassed.


Re: Article with some interesting data regarding killings in US

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 2:40 PM
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Evidently at least a couple of celebrities are calling to defund the police, but to connect that to this article points out black communities need the police the most. Thanks for sharing the article.


After carefully reading the entire article and the various

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 3:53 PM
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Responses, I’m reminded of one of Reagan’s quotes, “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 3:58 PM
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It is amazing, isn't it!


That 13% of the population committed 44% of the murders in

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 4:14 PM
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2018 statistics. While 60% of the population of white people accounted for 50% of the murders in that year. The smaller population (13%) are responsible for almost the same amount of murders as a group that is 5 times larger (60%).

From this you can deduce that there are likely more encounters with law enforcement for the "13%" than the "60%" yet more encounters didn't result in more deaths by a police officer. But unfortunately for the "60%" who had less encounters proportionately with police, had more than double the amount of killings by police officers. So as a violent white offender you have a 25% higher chance of being killed by an officer than if you're a black violent offender. Violent offender meaning you're non complicit, resisting arrest, in the middle of a criminal act.

So is there really a race war by the police?

And keep in mind if you're a white person in a struggle with police officers you're gonna get taken down more often. The difference is, white criminals going down doesn't sell and doesn't pave the way for democratic candidates to be elected.

Is it sad that anyone has to die in any instance?...no doubt its horrible for all of us. George Floyd's case is a tragedy and shouldn't have happened. There was a hot head of a cop on the scene who over stepped his boundaries like an idiot usually does. He has been dealt with. The system works and that guy is paying for his crime. Are there other hot heads and jerks or even racists out there in uniforms..more than likely. But they kill white dudes just the same. They will eventually out themselves so we can remove them from their duties. But rest assured, there will always be bad people out there working any job. Don't brand a whole group because of bad apples...seems logical but not many use logic i guess.

But don't get worked by those that have an agenda.


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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 5:21 PM
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Bad cops, bad doctors, bad builders, bad accountants, etc...

The race-agitators and dividers in our country want us to be at each other's throats over the murder of George Floyd. Don't fall for the "institutionalized racism" narrative, it's a lie. This is about bad cops, bad policing, and bad police culture in Minneapolis.

Everybody wants a safe country, and nobody thinks that it's ok for cops to abuse helpless people who are being detained, much less murder them. Not arresting criminals isn't the answer either though. Not exercising police brutality, excessive force, and deadly force on a secured perp is. Not to mention, the 3 other officers (1-White, 1-Black, 1-Asian) stood around and watched the whole thing. That would make the Asian and black officers racists too, right? Well, that doesn't fit the narrative either.

To fix a problem you first have to address it. Unless Minneapolis starts doing a better job of vetting it's potential police officers and changes their police culture this sort of thing will happen again. Bad cops come in all races and colors, not just white. As long as people keep pretending that the skin color is the reason for bad policing then nothing will ever change. That's like aiming at the edges of a target when you're trying to shoot a bulls-eye.

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anything to justify discriminating against black people.....

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 5:32 PM
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that way we don't have to become better. All we need to do is justify bad behavior. What a relief.

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Re: anything to justify discriminating against black people.....

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 5:49 PM
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Bad behavior by any race should not be ignored or given a free pass.....including African Americans.....really sick of you liberals always using the race card to push your agenda......and that is what it is always about with you clowns.....Go Tigers!!!!!


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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 11:37 PM
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You just proved my point cletus.....the facts never matter to you.... only lies.....Go Tigers!!!!!


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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 4:57 PM
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You sure had facts in your previous post!! LOLOLOLOLOL!

However, I did, you are factually a prepuce.

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Re: Article with some interesting data regarding killings in US

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 6:16 PM
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The problem with these statistical numbers that everyone keeps throwing around and arguing over is the numbers don't delineate justified killing from unjustified killing (i.e. murder). So these numbers are somewhat useless because a justified police shooting is just that - an LEO carrying out his lawful duties that a civilized society expects regardless of the race of the LEO or deceased.

However, in the current fervor, many are equating all police killings to murder and some ulterior nefarious motive which gives a totally inaccurate framing of the discussion. There also seems to be an assumption that if an LEO shoots and kills an unarmed person the LEO is automatically guilty of murder. That too, is simply not true. For instance, if an unarmed suspect is physically assaulting an LEO to the point the LEO is in fear of their life, the shooting/killing can very well be justified. In that instance, an LEO is acting in a manner consistent with how a civilized society would expect a law officer to act.

Unfortunately there are no facts being given behind the numbers and instead we are led down a path by each sides narrative of "see - the numbers support my stance".

Lastly we have reached a point where rational thought is giving way to the irrational. We are now hearing calls for de-funding and the outright abolishing of police forces - an utterly absurd idea in a civilized society. Yet there is a chorus of local and national politicians who are at least giving the appearance of entertaining this insane idea. How can we expect law and order to return to our streets if some our politicians and media entertain and put forth such irrational ideas? As the hyperbolic language crosses over to the absurd and such irrational thought takes control the harder it will become to actually address the real grievances that minorities are experiencing.

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Here are the stats for MURDER broken down by race for 2018:

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 9:56 PM
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Blacks murdered 514 whites.
Whites murdered 234 Blacks.
Blacks murdered 2,600 Blacks.
Whites murdered 2,677 Whites.

Yes, I know this isn't about police, but it's hard to imagine that police would be so uniquely racist that these stats would be totally reversed.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

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Re: Here are the stats for MURDER broken down by race for 2018:

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 11:42 PM
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There you go again.....confusing us with all these facts and proving to us these liberals are truly the certified idiots they claim we are......Go Tigers!!!!!


The mistake all of you are making


Posted: Jun 5, 2020 12:53 AM
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is pretty obvious. The table doesn’t tell you how many white people killed black people or vice versa. It tells you how many people were convicted of murder for those killings. Without video, the three rednecks in Georgia and the four cops in MN would all get away scott free.

A similar story goes to the statistics for how many people police kill every year. I don’t have much confidence in that number. The real number includes some fraction of the people that die every year in police custody.


So whites kill a lot of black people and get away with it

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Posted: Jun 6, 2020 12:14 AM
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because it's not on video. But blacks don't kill a lot of white people and get away with it because it's not on video. Got it.

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Think hard about it


Posted: Jun 6, 2020 6:24 PM
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White man kills black man. Black man kills white man. Circumstances are exactly the same except skin color.
Which has a better chance at a self-defense argument? If you say it's the same chance, you are lying to yourself.


All other things being equal, I'm betting there's not nearly


Posted: Jun 6, 2020 6:58 PM
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as big of a difference as you believe, if any.

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and thats the problem. You can't prove nor disprove anything


Posted: Jun 8, 2020 11:21 AM
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same when you say women are treated as second class citizens in teh workplace.There are concrete examples that prove and disprove these issues. Elizabeth Warren couldn't get into Harvard law school without saying she was part native American on her application. So much for white privilege there. Its just a convoluted subject matter that can be stretched any way you want it. And race is an easy one to get people agitated in an election year to muddy the waters. Thats all these things are. What would happen if we ever focused on the good? those stories would increase b/c that would be all you hear about. Instead we focus on the negative and here you go..thats all our society wants to be apart of. The key to living in this country is work to not GET worked by the system/media/politicians.


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Posted: Jun 7, 2020 2:41 PM
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But smiling- there are more whites, so they should be killed more often... and they’re racist.

You can tell they are racist because there were whites that killed blacks!

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 10:32 PM
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We can't have a Lakebum and a Lakedude in P&R.

One of you has to change your name. Lakebum has been in here longer and is more prolific. Sorry man.

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When white guys who are part of the system...

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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 9:24 AM
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Try to argue the system isn't racist.

And lies about it in his lead paragraph.

Nice.

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Even better

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Posted: Jun 5, 2020 5:04 PM
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is a sea of white 20-somethings crying and having a die-in protest on behalf of others while the actual impacted minorities are calling them out and asking them to go away.

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You got a wild imagination


Posted: Jun 6, 2020 7:38 PM
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maybe too much meth?


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Posted: Jun 8, 2020 11:27 AM
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whenever you see the name calling and the $$ comments you know its one of the shame-r-police. Nobody is as smart as you... we all know this oh wise one.


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