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This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:08 PM
 

Yesterday was a frustrating game to watch, but I think it proved that a great deal has changed in Clemson under Dabo Swinney. Although it was only one game, it speaks volumes about how far this program has come in recent years.

The Tigers were held to the 2nd lowest number of total yards since Chad Morris arrived. There seemed to be a ton of 3 and outs and stalled drives. Tajh still seems to be high on some of his throws and he looked frustrated throughout the 2nd half. Although we seemed to be the better team, we allowed Virginia Tech to hang around long after the game should have been over.

Basically, the game yesterday reminded me of the nightmare games from the Tommy Bowden era. Although we seemed to be the better team, we just couldn't deliver the final blow to put the game out of reach. I can't count the amount of losses I've witnessed to NC State, Maryland, Wake Forest, and Boston College when we just couldn't shut the door on inferior opponents (that's not to say that I think VT has fallen to the level of an ACC basement-dweller, but they've clearly been underperforming). That was a rough game yesterday, but our team found a way to win. While we were favored, I doubt most people would have expected a Clemson win if they knew we would be held to under 300 yards. And despite the frustrating performance by the offense, we beat a talented VT team by 3 touchdowns. The Tigers had to dig deep, but they were up to the challenge when previous Clemson teams used to crumble.

We’ve got another big challenge Thursday night. I don’t care what type of year Wake is having or how much more talented the Tigers are, Thursday night road games are not easy, especially on short rest after a tough game. If we want to have a successful season, and if we want to really prove that we have turned the corner, we need to come out and get the win against the Deacons. We might not have a great defense this year (although they certainly had a better game against VT), but we should be able to post a 10-1 record going into the South Carolina game.

I want to see a Clemson team that beats the teams it should beat; I want to see a Clemson team that can avoid trap games; I want to see a Clemson team that finds a way to win when things go bad. In short, I want to see the kind of Clemson team that never existed in the Bowden era. And I think we are starting to see that Clemson team under Coach Swinney.

I feel like Dabo is leading this team in the right direction. He has already accomplished more than any Clemson coach since Danny Ford (you could maybe argue Hatfield, but… do you really wanna defend Hatfield?). We proved last season that we could bounce back from a rough stretch. Following the NC State and SC losses, I didn’t like our chances against VT in Charlotte, even after beating them in Blacksburg. The Tigers proved they could bounce back from a disappointing string of games and brought the ACC Championship back home for the first time in 20 years. The Orange Bowl loss was a setback, but we also achieved a small step in making it to our first big bowl in the BSC era.

It’s easy to point to tangible success, but the biggest difference in this current Clemson team may be difficult to see for those that haven’t closely followed the Tigers. Where other Clemson teams would have rolled over and died yesterday, this team kept fighting. Tajh seemed frustrated, but that might not be a bad thing. He expects to play better because he can play better. This team expected to win because they should win. We weren’t able to dominate them on offense, so we hunkered down and dominated on defense (I honestly couldn’t care less about the yards allowed – they had 10 points through the first 3 quarters). This team is finding a way to win games.

Despite the frustrations with the offense, I still expected a win. And I certainly wasn’t the only one. A lot of people on this board seemed to be bent out of shape in a game against VT that we won by 21 points. Just let that sink in for a second. We were frustrated that we didn’t look more dominant while beating a VT team with their backs against the wall by 3 touchdowns. If you had told me the outcome of this game before the season I would have been thrilled. It’s to the point now where the fans and the team seem to expect a win every Saturday. And honestly, those are not unreasonable expectations. We knew coming into this season that the defense could be a liability, and we also had to deal with the expected growing pains with a new defensive coordinator. But here we sit, 6-1 with the only loss a frustrating game against FSU that we had a good chance to win. The schedule isn’t great, but we’re doing what we should do with the schedule we’ve been given. We have a chance at back to back 10 win seasons for the first time since the late 80s. This is a good time to be a Clemson fan.

There’s a lot of nonsense on this board right now. A lot of talk about BCS standings, the Gamecocks, politics, uniform combinations, defensive struggles, etc. I just hope that most Clemson fans understand that right now is a great time for Clemson football. We are slowly but surely reestablishing ourselves as a force to be reckoned with. Like everyone else, I would love to see us have a stronger defense. I would love to see us become a national powerhouse. I would love to see us go to BCS bowls on a regular basis. But I also understand Rome wasn’t built in a day. Dabo Swinney is putting the pieces in place to secure long-term success. I sat through a lot of those Tommy West and Tommy Bowden years longing for the day when I would see a return of the Clemson teams of old. And while the game has changed, and this team certainly doesn’t resemble those teams of the 80s, the most important element is there: we are winning again. I just hope most Tiger fans realize how far we've come.

With that said, we better crush Wake Forest on Thursday. Go Tigers!


Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:13 PM
 

days of just rolling over teams and not getting their best shot are over..everyone is gonna be up to play Clemson and i wouldnt expect to have any runaway games the remainder of the year..and yes that includes dook

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Too much for me to read, but if you are saying that

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:15 PM
 

yesterday we won a game that we didn't necessarily show up for and would have lost in the past, then I agree.

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That's exactly what I'm saying, but just long-winded***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:25 PM
 




Dabo motivates.***

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:30 PM
 



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lol wrong, Dabo cheerleads. Motivators don't have teams


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:42 PM
 

quit after 1 bad play like we did vs. WV and GT last year. EVERYONE I talked to in Clemson this weekend agrees we are soft.


Re: lol wrong, Dabo cheerleads. Motivators don't have teams

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:44 PM
 

44-11 Coot!


I was in Tiger Town all weekend wearing my Clemson ring

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:48 PM
 

and got me a strawberry shake at the Hendrix Center today before heading back to Charleston.


Re: I was in Tiger Town all weekend wearing my Clemson ring

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:51 PM
 

why in the #### waste time in clemson if they are soft and everything that you see in a football team?

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:54 PM
 




Re: I love Clemson, I love CU, my loyalty is to them, not people***

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:56 PM
 

then why come in the TAC and express your opinions talking to the clemson people

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You aren't very bright, are you?***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:39 PM
 




and while this poster always screams about others

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:48 PM
 

starting the "name-calling", invariably, its almost always him that starts the insulting. He's not bright enough to hold a rational discourse without it.

You need to get banned again, blue_cootie

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whatever, he keeps asking stupid questions, i'm a CU alum


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:53 PM
 

and love Clemson.


Re: lol wrong, Dabo cheerleads. Motivators don't have teams

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 8:30 PM
 

@Lowcountry....The only person I saw you speaking to.....Was yourself


lol whatever. If you were there why didn't you come say


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:42 PM
 

hello? We were there Friday night and all Saturday and Saturday night.


Re: lol whatever. If you were there why didn't you come say


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:08 AM
 

Why would anyone want to talk to you? Who wants to be around a negative person who wants Clemson to lose so he cant point fingers

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lol I pull for Clemson to win every game and being honest


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:13 AM
 

and objective isn't negative.


Your a pretty weak Clemson fan***

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:37 PM
 



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It's you're not your and if your definition of a "fan" is a


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:45 PM
 

kool aid drinker then I'm not a fan via your definition. I'm objective and a realist. Too bad you kool aid drinkers have a problem with that. I proudly wear my Clemson ring.


Then get behind your team #### it and quit putting negative

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:47 PM
 

#### out here.

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Re: Then get behind your team #### it and quit putting negative

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:52 PM
 

Don't believe for one second blue_cootie is a Clemson fan

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I don't but since he claims it I am challenging him to


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:53 PM
 

support the Tigers football team and the young men on it.


Message was edited by: AThomas®


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Whatever. My CU ring says otherwise.***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:57 PM
 




I have the right to my opinion, too bad kool aid drinkers


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:56 PM
 

like you can't respect that. I support Clemson, but I'm also objective. I'm also repeatedly proven right in my analysis. Get over it.


LOL Blue Cootie.***

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:57 PM
 



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Actually, he might be good ole T. Bowden


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:45 PM
 

Got his feelings hurt about Dabo showing him up.


Fla game hard to take??***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:26 PM
 



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Re: Too much for me to read, but if you are saying that


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:05 PM
 

Had the very same conversation with a group after the game myself. The OL is fat and slow and the defense may or may not be better. Hard to judge when Ball St is the biggest win so far. Winning consistently begins and ends in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Skill players are there for sure. But the trenches are still weak and soft.


You hater. Liar. Dabo is the greatest. ;-)***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:20 PM
 




because they are young.


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:46 PM
 

Our OL is playing much better than anybody thought they would this year, and our DL lost 3 to the NFL last year.


That's part of the game and every team deals with it.***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:52 PM
 




yeah, and ours are improving over the season


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:54 PM
 

We are playing them, and they are doing better. That's how we are dealing with it.


Last 2 games OL has been bad and we just had the 2nd


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:22 AM
 

lowest yards/game under Morris. VT is not a very good team. Boyd was totally out of sync the entire game.


we had over 200 yrds rushing against GT and allowed 1 sack


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:43 AM
 

Hardly a bad game by most standards.

As far as VT goes, our offense looked off, but not 100% OL fault. Boyd was playing weak the entire game.


GT sucks, OL sucked Saturday.***


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:50 AM
 




Everything sucks to you.***


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:51 AM
 




I feel the same


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:16 PM
 

Even the loss to FSU was a different game for us.
We went to there house and had them behind for most of the game.
Yes we lost, our defense is not as good as needed, but even with that we didnt start getting blown out from the beginning. We punched and took the lead.

Gt was a game we lose most years. A close one where again def was having trouble. But we took the punch and came back and took the lead.

Now if i can only feel that way when we play the Coots!


You ever notice that you never see Low Country

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:17 PM
 

Blue caddie ever say good job when we win? But when we lose he is all over the board

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Because we win most games we should and lose pretty much


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:40 PM
 

every big or important game. Our offense is better thanks to Morris, which Dabo gets credit for, but our OL is still mediocre and our defense sucks. We are in a pathetic conference and not even close to being competitive on the national stage. We've played 1 good team this year, and lost. We got our butts handed to us in 4 games last year. WV is not better than us, we're about equal, GT was not very good last year, NC State was not very good, and USC was good, but not great. Yet all 4 kicked our rear ends. We are very soft and had this conversation in Tiger Town all weekend with plenty of Clemson people, including two of the owners of Tiger Town. They all like Dabo the person, but agree we are soft and none are crazy about Dabo as our HC. Dabo is 1-3 in bowl games, 1-3 vs. SC and has very few wins vs. teams that finished in the top 25. Are we better than under TB? Yes. Marginally. But not any tougher nor much more competitive.


Re: Because we win most games we should and lose pretty much

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 8:07 PM
 

Dabo is 6-8 against teams that end the year ranked. Thats more than a "very few wins".

COACHES
2011 3 (FSU, VTx2) - 2 (WVU, SCar)
2010 2 (Maryland, NCSU) - 3 (FSU, Auburn, SCar)
2009 1 (Miami) - 3 (TCU, GT 2x)
2008 0 - 1(GT)

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2011 3 (FSU, VTx2) - 1 (WVU, SCar)
2010 2 (Maryland, NCSU) - 3 (FSU, Auburn, SCar)
2009 1 (Miami) - 3 (TCU, GT 2x)
2008 0 - 1(GT)

fyi, Clemson's all time record against teams who end the season ranked in at least 1 poll? 38-144-2. I'd say he's setting a pretty historic pace as far as Clemson football is concerned in that stat.

You can complain about the bowls, and even SCar. But please, to think that this team under Dabo isn't light years better than anything that has been put on the field since the 1980s at Clemson is just crazy talk.


Re: Because we win most games we should and lose pretty much


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 8:12 PM
 

arrg typos...typing too fast...anyways...

this was a pretty cool site...

http://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_menu.php

and here is the all-time vs ranked teams for all teams... https://sites.google.com/site/collegefootballhistory/record-vs-ranked-teams-final-polls


Re: Because we win most games we should and lose pretty much

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 8:22 PM
 

He'll never acknowledge this post because it proves, empirically, what a dunce he is.

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Dabo 1-3 vs USC, 1-3 in bowl games, No top 20 finishes.


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:09 PM
 

1 losing season in his 2nd season, none for TB who also owned USC. 3 seasons, 2 OC's and 2 DC's.

Yea, Dabo, the next Ford.

Not.


Re: Dabo 1-3 vs USC, 1-3 in bowl games, No top 20 finishes.


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:12 PM
 

wish dabo had 130 kids on scholorship like danny did, and you talk about weak, the acc back then was extremely weak

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Ford had 95 now it's 85, but the teams Ford coached against


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:51 PM
 

also had 95 and the teams Dabo competes with have 85. Moot point. Everyone is equal. Everyone plays by the same rules.


Re: Ford had 95 now it's 85, but the teams Ford coached against

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:56 PM
 

talent wise was a huge difference and you were a band member right? never picked up a football? wasnt chosen until last in kickball?

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Played football all my life and would have played for CU


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:33 AM
 

under Ford like my 2 best friends but had a car accident. I know football. Also, we have more talent than almost every team we play pretty much every year except FSU. We don't develop our talent well, which is part of coaching. Ford developed players. That's what winners do.


lol .43 winning percent, woohoo.***


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 9:48 PM
 




Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:18 PM
 

Clemson and Dabo, especially Dabo are taking away all of their whine points bit by bit

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Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:33 PM
 

Very well said!


Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:43 PM
 

we can only play whomever we are scheduled to play and when are you gonna learn we-Clemson are not responsible for any other team but clemson..we dont give a rats ### if you dont win games and get national exposure before you play us. All we have to do is Win and things will clear up by the end of the years and you will always have pretenders and contenders

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Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:43 PM
 

Well said!


Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:45 PM
 

and name a game that has been on a national stage in college football this year? espn has made the sec the media boys but so far the sec is like watching 2 mules fight over a turnip..

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Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:51 PM
 

Yea,but we still don't have SEC speed like that school 90 miles down the road that got championship rings last season!


Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:52 PM
 

we got championship rings, ours actually are recognized by the conference we play in

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Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 7:56 PM
 

Let us not forget that not too many years ago that two Post Cereal box tops got you a ticket to alot games. Even with that there were a ton of empty seats. Please don't forget the Hatfield years. Never want to go back there. Go Tigers.


Good post!***

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Re: Good post!***

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:03 PM
 

its like this , he is stating facts from the early history of Dabo, and Dabo is changing the future as we speak. I dont think Dabo wants a soft team, but i have been on the field for some games and would to see the blue caddy out there instead of being some keyboard warrior. I think he would wuss out and run back home to his keyboard and keep his mouth shut for the duration, but since i dont see that happening Dabo will just keep having to prove this feathered friend wrong, and eventually there will be no arguments. They will only be past history that he can talk about, not the future of Clemson and Clemson football

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I though low country was banned

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:00 PM
 

Dont get it?


Clearly you and others had bad intel. Tsk. Tsk. And yes,


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 10:12 PM
 

let's ban everyone with an unpopular opinion. Regardless of them being right.


Re: Clearly you and others had bad intel. Tsk. Tsk. And yes,


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:23 PM
 

will you ever admit to being wrong?

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Yea, when I'm wrong, but so far history keeps proving me


Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:34 PM
 

right.


Re: Yea, when I'm wrong, but so far history keeps proving me

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Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:38 PM
 

right now we are living in the present and moving to the future, so just forget about the history for awhile because there is nothing you can do or say or type about it

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My track record stands, and until I'm proven wrong I'll


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:11 AM
 

stick to my opinions. I keep getting it right, TNET wrong. No need to think I'm suddenly wrong and TNET right. History effects the future. Helps predict and influence the future. No amount of hoping, wishing, and denial will fix our issues, only better coaching.


so what would it take to prove you wrong?***


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:18 AM
 




Time, significant improvement, consistency, some top 20


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:40 AM
 

finishes, some wins over usc, beating teams that finish in the top 20, win some bowl games, etc. etc. some national respect, being relevant again on the national scene.

We need to play a complete season, which we haven't done in a very long time. Then do it again, and again. Until we put together at least 2 or 3 highly successful seasons we aren't back, we won't be contenders, just perpetual pretenders.


yet another wrong statement. Pump the gas and keep

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Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:08 AM
 

the whine. I thought I had you blocked. There we go, all fixed again.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:42 AM
 




Re: This program has come a long way under Dabo (long)


Posted: Oct 22, 2012 12:28 AM
 

dabo will not get my vote till he starts beating the chickens and doing better in post season play

lone bowl win over Kensucky

from the outside looking in...we are only competitive in our powder puff conference

but...one step at a time I guess

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