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Those who think Dabo = Danny are forgetting one thing.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:59 PM
 

Morris is responsible for as many wins in the last two years as Dabo. We are a 7 or 8 win team this year without Morris. Furthermore, Dabo's teams are so physically weak compared to Danny's that it is not even comparable. The truth is the truth. Get pissed if you want.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:12 PM
 

Wish we had the Perry brothers in their prime.


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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:13 PM
 

We've been over this more than once. Accountability, responsibility and authority are given in equal measures.

You can't give Morris the credit for the wins without the responsibility for the losses. You can't make Dabo accountable for losses without giving him credit for the wins.

When you pick and choose the information that supports your presupposition it removes all doubt that you are thinking with your groin. Had you remained at Clemson and graduated here, you'd understand that.

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Danny did everything.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:21 PM
 

he had no assistants to help him.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:23 PM
 

danny was the man

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Re: Danny did everything.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:27 PM
 

Which is what got him fired. Nobody to blame but Danny!


Even though he gave the credit to Tom Harper***


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:30 PM
 

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 5:52 PM
 




Danny did have assistants.


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:13 PM
 

According to the book Tales From the 1981 Championship, he hired coaches and let them coach. Danny particularly paid attention to the offensive line though.

Yes I have to read about it because I didn't live it.

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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:11 PM
 

And Dabo does the samething!!! And I did live it


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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:26 PM
 



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My curiosity is peaked (piqued?) mr/ms expert..........exactly how old

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:31 PM
 

were you during the "Ford Years", getting into practices, planning sessions, weight rooms, etc, and forming such an opinion....or, as usual, do you have the slightest freakin' clue what you're talking about???


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Re: My curiosity is peaked mr/ms expert..........exactly how old

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:33 PM
 

amanda needs to stick to fetching us beers and making us sammiches.

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I love how people don't add to the conversation, they just


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 5:54 PM
 

insult the poster when they don't agree.

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And you just added what, exactly?


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:39 PM
 

I thought is was a fair question. Perhaps worded a little harshly, but still a good question.

How old is the OP and how did they (not sure if it's a he or a she) formulate thier opinion about the DF years?


I posted below. Our offensive line gets pushed around

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:09 PM
 

Constantly. USC destroyed us on the lines.

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Which has nothing to do with the post above


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:17 PM
 

in which you criticized the poster for calling aout amanda.


What??


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:08 PM
 

Physical toughness starts and ends at the line of scrimmage - which was exactly what Amanda posted about.

Clemson, under Dabo, has not been dominate on the lines, which explains why we lost to USC and FSU. Our teams aren't tough.

Also see last years Wofford game where they pushed us around.

No clue what you're talking about.

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You seem a little dense, so I will break it down for you

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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 12:32 PM
 

in simpler terms.

My post to you applied ONLY to your response to tigerjim76. Nothing more.

Try to keep up next time.


I grad. from H.S. in '90. I camped at Clemson in '87 and '88


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:07 PM
 

and I was recruited by Danny.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:12 PM
 



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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:24 PM
 

It ended me playing football and baseball.

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Re: I grad. from H.S. in '90. I camped at Clemson in '87 and '88

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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:15 PM
 

So that makes you the be all end all?????

I'm calling BS if you played any kind of ball you would know about TEAM

The way you whine and cry you wouldnt last 10 minutes with Danny or Dabo


TRUTH: Your agenda is dumb.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:33 PM
 

Dabo is not Danny. Dabo hired Chad Morris. That makes Dabo a good head coach--putting people who can coach for him into the right positions.

Truth is truth!

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:35 PM
 

And who hired Morris?
I guess Danny coached the whole team by himself huh?
Ridiculous argument.
I loved Coach Ford. Coach Swinney ain't bad either.


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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:42 PM
 

It is post like this that show just how stupid some people can be when they sit down at a computer.


I was at Clemson when Danny coached. Loved the guy, but

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:46 PM
 

he's gone. Dabo is our coach now and deserves us to rub the rock and give him 110%.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:47 PM
 




There are players on our team who don't give 110%***


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 5:52 PM
 



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The majority.


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:51 PM
 

Sad to say.


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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:16 PM
 

WHO???? Name them


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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:51 PM
 

There is a great interview with Danny which was conducted by a student broadcast organization this past fall. It's about 36 mins and available on Utube. The most important thing to remember is there were different challenges and both are worthy of our full support.


Dabo is no Danny. Newsflash:

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:52 PM
 

neither is anyone else. We are unlikely to get another coach in our lifetimes that can match the things he accomplished. Greatest coach in Clemson history, period....unfair to judge others against him, really.


Re: Those who think Dabo = Danny are forgetting one thing.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 3:21 PM
 

When I hear or read this kind of talk, it's maddening!!!
While I don't compare Dabo to Danny, I'd like to point out that you are also forgetting one very important thing.

There's not a successful coach out there that did not hire the best assistant staffs - not the Bear, not Bobby Bowden, not Joe Pa, not Steve Spurrier, not Danny Ford, NOT ANYONE.

Morris's contributions to the level of Clemson's current success are directly related to Dabo's ability, as a head coach, to attract/ hire such a coordinator. That's part of what head coaches do.

I had a Gamecock fan tell me over the holidays that Dabo should thank his lucky stars that he has Morris as a coordinator to compliment his recruiting abilities.

When I stopped laughing at his short-sightedness, I told him that he just listed TWO attributes of a successful head man, not ONE. That is recruiting/signing good athletes AND recruiting/hiring good coaches.

He had to admit that his thoughts on the topic were way off the mark.

How about you?


Physically weak...


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 5:52 PM
 

you are correct.

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Thumbs down with no rebuttal. Typical.


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:09 PM
 

Some people on here are absolutely blind to reality.

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Re: Thumbs down with no rebuttal. Typical.


Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:18 PM
 

Here's reality!!! You played the drums not football.

I love tiger band but you know about as much as I do.

You sit in the stands and watch


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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:12 PM
 

so amanda played for hatfield?

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:22 PM
 

i can still remember the folks that were about to run Danny out of town after going 6-5, i mean these folks said hateful, hateful stuff about Danny and he was not meant to be a head coach, many thought he wasnt even and assistant coach to begin with. Alot of people said that they wouldnt even give to IPTAY because Danny Ford was head coach...memories

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And a couple things you forgot:


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 10:48 PM
 

Danny coached in an 8 then 9 team ACC without any real competition other than GT, and occasionally NCST or UNC were good. I'm not saying his teams weren't good, they were, it's just apples and oranges now. Dabo is doing well. Do we have the physical team he promised, ...no, but we are improving.


Improvement would be another ACC championship,


Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:10 PM
 

and BCS round two. We regressed from 2011.

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Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:47 PM
 



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Umm, not really. See their record in this post.


Posted: Dec 27, 2012 12:40 PM
 

1991 (2-9)
1990 (6-5-1)
1989 (3-7-1)
1988 (5-6)
1987 (4-7)
1986 (5-5-1)
1985 (9-3)
1984 (9-3)
1983 (8-4)
1982 (8-4)
1981 (4-6-1)


Re: Umm, not really. See their record in this post.


Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:21 PM
 

OH wait a second

When Ross was at Maryland they were very good!!!!!

Then he left and went on to win the NC at G-tech


Hey, I didn't make up their yearly records.


Posted: Dec 27, 2012 3:39 PM
 

Check them out for yourself.

I agree UMD was a good team when Ross was there, but sometimes our memories make them out to be better than they actually were. The best they did was 9-3 in the weak ACC. An ACC that did not have FSU, Miami, Va Tech.

Personally I don't think the ACC is much, if any, weaker now than it was in Danny's days. Face it, the ACC has always been weak. It's silly to suggest otherwise.


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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 12:40 PM
 



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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 12:49 PM
 

Statistics are manipulated like this all of the time. Doesn't mean they give an accurate picture

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Danny had 10 years.


Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:17 PM
 

Get back to me after Dabo has 10 years and we'll see how he's done and whether he does it without PROBATION and multiple investigations.Wax on about the past all you want, just remember how it was done.


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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:22 PM
 

Tell us how was it done?


Honestly, I think any "weakness" is more so


Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:20 PM
 

mental than physical.

Certainly any team can afford to improve physically, but I think the toughness has to come from within. There has to be a determination not to lose...a focus to win...and a mental steel will to make it happen.

Many an army/team/fighter that had maybe less physical girth or strength or talent has won with sheer will.

With that being said, I just don't think Clemson's physical tools are that much disparate to see losses to SCAR and possibly LSU. We definitely aren't disparate in talent for skill positions, but our lines are the topic of discussion. I just don't think even they are that disparate in physical talent or even strength. But I do think they need significant improvement in developing a steel will.


Re: Those who think Dabo = Danny are forgetting one thing.

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Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:52 PM
 

Amanda, you are exactly right! Dabo Swinney is not Danny Ford, but it's unfair to expect him to be.

If you look at what shape the program was in when Dabo took over then you will see that Dabo has done the one thing that was asked of him when he was hired... he has made Clemson Tiger football relevant again!

In 2008 Dabo took over a team that had begun well in '06 and '07, but both years had managed to finish the season as a complete failure. Remember, that's why Tommy Bowden got the boot.

Dabo has taken a consistently mediocre program and turned it into a team that is considered one of the heavy hitters in the ACC, and a perennial front runner for the division championship.

Yes, Chad Morris deserves a lot of credit for bringing the Pistol offense to Clemson, but Dabo brought him here, and Dabo has managed to keep him, even though Chad Morris is one of the most sought after assistants in the country.

So, no, Dabo is not Danny. But he sure is one heck of a coach!


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