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Recruiting News or lack of same
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Recruiting News or lack of same


May 24, 2015, 2:40 AM

Not much news lately. What news there is will probably be sparse & scattered. Just a few slots left. Here is the latest mention we got. The non-relevant stuff was edited out.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A number of top prospects attended the Nike regional camp in Charlotte Saturday. With prospects from the states of North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, Florida and Texas on hand, there were a number of recruiting trends that have come to the forefront or are continuing in the class of 2016. Here are five worthy of mention:
Clemson in the Tar Heel state
Clemson’s success in North Carolina is to be placed in the continuing trend category. The Tigers have enjoyed impressive success in the Tar Heel state in recent years averaging nearly four signees per class, including six ESPN 300 prospects in the past four classes. In 2016, four-star offensive lineman Sean Pollard is in the fold along with receiver Cornell Powell. Clemson has a number of targets left on the board in the talent-rich state, including No. 54 Dexter Lawrence, No. 90 and Tennessee commit Marquill Osborne (offered Sunday) and No. 122 Diondre Overton. Though Lawrence is a long shot, the Tigers are within striking distance on Osborne and Overton.
North Carolina, N.C. State and Lawrence
When the recruitment of Lawrence is talked about, the schools that are named by many are Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Ohio State and Clemson. Those schools are certainly a threat, but in-state programs North Carolina and N.C. State should not be dismissed. This is a recruitment in which staying close to home could play a major part as decision day gets closer. In fact, one person with knowledge of Lawrence’s recruitment predicted the Tar Heels would prevail.
Tennessee zeroing in on North Carolina
The state of Tennessee doesn't produce enough prospects to fill a class, or even half a class, for the Volunteers. That means Butch Jones and staff have to rely heavily on talent-rich Georgia and neighboring states of North Carolina and Virginia to maximize the recruiting possibilities. In 2016, No. 90 overall Marquill Osborne is a "soft commit" with the Vols in danger of losing out on the talented cornerback. At the same time, Tennessee is in the mix for a number of ESPN 300 prospects from the Tar Heel state, including B.J. Emmons (No. 58), Diondre Overton (No. 122), Landon Dickerson (No. 200) and No. 242 and Florida State verbal Joshua Brown. If the past classes under Jones in Knoxville are any indication, don’t expect Tennessee to walk away empty-handed from North Carolina in February.

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Re: Recruiting News or lack of same


May 24, 2015, 6:35 AM

That's the problem with Tennessee. They're an artificial program that was inflated by Johnny Majors and Phil Fulmer buying out-of-state recruits hand over fist.

Tennessee state high school football is pretty bad, especially compared to what you get when you cross over the border into North Carolina. The fact that UNC, excepting maybe the Mack Brown years, never really defended its borders particularly well helped them a bunch...and the Fulmer heydey, they were also coming into South Carolina and poaching our top recruits. I well-remember them strolling in and blatantly buying Albert Haynesworth - who I think was rated the #1 player in the country that year coming out of high school - in full view of the world.

They're a hard program to like, and their coaches, historically, have been kind of the kind of reptile-eyed, ambitious, uncharismatic guys who look - and act - like Bad Coach Villains right out of movies. Majors was a mean drunk and Fulmer got him in the back and climbed right over him to take his job, palace-revolution style. I remember looking at the Tennessee sideline during the 2003 Peach Bowl - man, that was a fun game, really re-lighted Clemson as a program - when the Tigers took down the then-#6-ranked Vols who were loaded with 4-and-5-star guys they'd stolen from our state - and thinking that the Tennessee coaching staff looked like a bunch of Mafia dons. Butch Jones assuredly appears to fit that culture. (I remember the camera catching Jones on camera last year screaming "F*** YOU, f*** YOU!" over and over into one of his own coaches' face...even the announcers were sort of going whoa and making low whistling noises over that. I'm all for tough leadership, but that was just way over the line. The guy is not cool.)
http://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/news/619568

If we lose Diondre Overton to those scumbags I'm going to be very annoyed. We were on him first - by a mile; we're a much better program at the moment with a much better, much more WR-friendly attack, we've got the recent track record of producing first-round wideouts, and oh, yeah, he'd be catching passes from Deshaun Watson. And Dabo is about a thousand times more likeable than Butch Jones. There is no way, none, that on any level playing field the Vols walk away with Overton. But the Vols have a history...even recent history, like when Jones turned out the Tennessee state troopers to escort WR Josh Malone to his commitment press conference last year. Gee, no pressure, kid. That wasn't an intimidating gesture at all.

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So UT has to be cheating if they get the kid...


May 24, 2015, 8:21 AM

...ok, got it. lol

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May 24, 2015, 8:46 AM [ in reply to Re: Recruiting News or lack of same ]



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May 24, 2015, 9:01 AM

Coots can't even get GT level talent this cycle . They are headed back to anonymity. UT is not a good team , not yet. Right now , in the TN/GA/NC/SC region i would rank Clemson's pull as only 3rd behind Uga and FSU .
Coots are lapping up the slobber strings back there where nobody cares .

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your description of Tennessee football


May 24, 2015, 9:25 AM [ in reply to Re: Recruiting News or lack of same ]

Not so much.

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Re: Recruiting News or lack of same (quozzell)


May 24, 2015, 11:11 AM [ in reply to Re: Recruiting News or lack of same ]

I Sense alot of animosity towards the vols...take a step back, take a deep breath, and repeat after me...."Clemson is on the right track, we have a plan, Tennessee probably won't win the SEC east in the next couple years and they are not as big of a threat as they used to be in regards to recruiting back in 90's"

With that being said, Butch is establishing a solid foundation for the vols. Any team anywhere can go to any state and recruit any player. We do it all the time in North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. It's apart of every teams process. Just relax bro, dabo and his staff have a plan, we have excecuted on the field, in the classroom, and have recruited at a premier level for the past 4 years. We have signed some of the best talent in the nation...we have wife on several also but it's apart of the game. I want to sign every top player on our board but the fact of the matter is we will miss on some guys and it is ok.

The 2016 class will be a smaller group in quantity but the quality will be just as good if not better than recent years. From my research and understanding, we will be looking to sign 15-19 players. We have 3 big time Defensive Tackles that are considering clemson or have them in thier top 5-10.
-#1 Rashaun Gary 6'5 290
-#2 Dexter Lawrence 6'5- 320
-#3 Julian Rochester 6'5-322

Sure I am know theses Top players are long shots but clemson has pulled off crazier.

Let's be positive and optomistic rather than trying to belittle another team that wants to be where we are now. We are better than that! This year can be special and I say let's enjoy it rather than dwell on all the scenarios that could happen!

Our staff is among the elite, our program can compete with the best, Death Valley is as electric as ever and we have accomplished this by doing everything the right way! As fans let's conduct ourselves in the right manner. Respect your opponent, trust your team, and when you give your opponent a beat down they will never forget....lend a hand give some kind words and act like we have been here before.

-Can't wait for football season

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Re: Recruiting News or lack of same (quozzell)


May 24, 2015, 1:17 PM

> I Sense alot of animosity towards the vols...take a
> step back, take a deep breath, and repeat after
> me...."Clemson is on the right track, we have a plan,
> Tennessee probably won't win the SEC east in the next
> couple years and they are not as big of a threat as
> they used to be in regards to recruiting back in
> 90's"
>
> With that being said, Butch is establishing a solid
> foundation for the vols. Any team anywhere can go to
> any state and recruit any player. We do it all the
> time in North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. It's
> apart of every teams process. Just relax bro, dabo
> and his staff have a plan, we have excecuted on the
> field, in the classroom, and have recruited at a
> premier level for the past 4 years. We have signed
> some of the best talent in the nation...we have wife
> on several also but it's apart of the game. I want to
> sign every top player on our board but the fact of
> the matter is we will miss on some guys and it is ok.
>
>
> The 2016 class will be a smaller group in quantity
> but the quality will be just as good if not better
> than recent years. From my research and
> understanding, we will be looking to sign 15-19
> players. We have 3 big time Defensive Tackles that
> are considering clemson or have them in thier top
> 5-10.
> -#1 Rashaun Gary 6'5 290
> -#2 Dexter Lawrence 6'5- 320
> -#3 Julian Rochester 6'5-322
>
> Sure I am know theses Top players are long shots but
> clemson has pulled off crazier.
>
> Let's be positive and optomistic rather than trying
> to belittle another team that wants to be where we
> are now. We are better than that! This year can be
> special and I say let's enjoy it rather than dwell on
> all the scenarios that could happen!
>
> Our staff is among the elite, our program can compete
> with the best, Death Valley is as electric as ever
> and we have accomplished this by doing everything the
> right way! As fans let's conduct ourselves in the
> right manner. Respect your opponent, trust your team,
> and when you give your opponent a beat down they will
> never forget....lend a hand give some kind words and
> act like we have been here before.
>
> -Can't wait for football season

Tennessee has a history, bro. Your tenor suggests you might be too young to remember...they really dropped off after 2003 (when Clemson crushed them in the Peach Bowl), but before that they were a juggernaut as big as anybody in college football. The so-called "Phil Fulmer rule" that exists in the SEC - whereupon each member-school must first report allegations of impropriety to the SEC front office before reporting said infractions to the NCAA exists precisely because Fulmer finished runner-up for DT Albert Means, whose coach had basically put him up for auction to the highest bidder...Alabama paid $160,000 and got hit with sanctions within an inch of the death penalty. Fulmer, again, was able to report Alabama because he lost the auction himself. They were dirty, dirty, dirty. Albert Haynesworth himself admitted publicly a few years back the Vols flat-out bought him. Even Lane Kiffin got caught a few years back sending prostitutes to visit recruits like Marcus Lattimore to try to sway him to Tennessee.

Yes, stuff like this happens everywhere to some extent. But UT has really hurt Clemson (and South Carolina, and UNC, and NC State, and Virginia, and VT) badly in the past with their antics. Saying so isn't "belittling", it's historical fact...and not even ancient history. Yes, the Vols have a right to go out-of-state, as does everyone. But you can build a good program at Clemson or especially South Carolina (which is smack-dab in the middle of the state) with mostly in-state kids...it's harder at Clemson, because Clemson's natural "recruiting radius" actually includes parts of Georgia and Western North Carolina, and when times were lean, that's where we built our recruiting classes from - that two-hour radius around Clemson.

UT can't do that. There's just no talent base there; their entire state produces maybe ten genuine FCS-caliber recruits a year. By definition they're a poacher program. It tells you a great deal that a program with such a small recruiting base managed to build a stadium that seats 100,000. It does not compute, never has. Bro.

Say what you want about the University of South Carolina - and yes, I know there have been exceptions, especially up Rock Hill way - but they don't usually play dirty, and certainly never to the extent UT historically has. My dislike of UT isn't borne of "envy" or "jealousy" but mostly because they've been a true-blue Wild West program in the past, and they've done it in our recruiting footprint. I do not like to see them coming "back" and I hope Butch Jones falls on his face. I don't think he will - I actually think UT could challenge UGA this year for the East - but I really do hate seeing it. A strong UT is not good for Clemson. Or for anybody in the Southeast, really.

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Re: Recruiting News or lack of same (quozzell)


May 24, 2015, 9:20 PM

Apologies I was ignorant of the "Fulmer rule" and the past recruiting history of the Tennessee program... The 90's I was still in elementary school and wasn't quite the avid football fan I am today. So I do acknowledge my incompetence on that matter.

I just want to add that any team that signs a recruit we are targeting hurts. We all know it comes with the territory. But do you not feel that The Clemson Brand has significantly improved since that time period? Dabo has changed the culture here at clemson! Bottom line is...knowing what I know now who would want tennesse to poach our recruits with their past history. More importantly we all should move on, everyone screws up and makes mistake and I hate our program was directly affected from thier infractions 13-25 years ago! Let's keep doing what we are doing and sign top commits , there will be competition for thier services no matter what so to heck with Tennessee. We should focus on the things that we control, anything else is a waste of time.

Thanks for the information and education on the matter.

-It's going to be a long game for the terriers

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very accurate description of Tennessee football program...


May 24, 2015, 1:59 PM [ in reply to Re: Recruiting News or lack of same ]

This should be common knowledge to anyone who follows college football. If you disagree w/ poster quozzel's reply; you're either UT fan or an EFFing idiot.

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Re: Recruiting News or lack of same


May 24, 2015, 8:05 AM

UNC is about to go on probation, this will help with Lawrence big time. I think he is not all that into recruiting strict now, but if he come to camp look for us to take the lead.

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We have benefitted greatly from Tennessee's decline.


May 24, 2015, 8:43 AM

So did the Coots. As they rise back up they are going to make us work harder for NC and GA recruits especially. Their state is talent bankrupt so they can literally focus all their efforts outside their borders. Probably an inbreeding problem.

They have the SEC brand and Thigpen on staff.

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