Re: Good for him. Not exactly sure

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Dec 3, 2014, 8:34 PM [ in reply to Good for him. Not exactly sure ]

> what this "evidence" is that the lady has presented
> that seals his guilt for so many out there.....

What makes it extremely likely that something seems to have happened is that his accuser didn't know who he was, and lodged a rape complaint with the police department and had a rape kit performed the night in question. The ##### unquestionably matches Jameis Winston's DNA.

Women seldom - I'm tempted to say never - do that unless they feel strongly they've been raped when there's no obvious financial motive - which there wasn't; the woman didn't even know who Winston was and he was a freshman who was redshirting at the time. It's a scary, scary process for a woman to submit herself to.

At the time, again, she wasn't accusing Jameis Winston the Heisman Trophy Winner. She wasn't accusing anyone. She went to the cops saying she'd been raped without knowing who exactly had done it, and without even knowing his name.

There's a lot of postmortem ho-shaming going on (as there always is when somebody's golden boy gets accused of rape) because it does look like she went to Winston's apartment with the intention of having sex with him (after already having sex with her boyfriend prior that same night) but what most accounts seem to have in common is that at some point Winston's roommate, Chris Casher, came into the bedroom with his cell phone video-camera rolling and started filming the whole thing, which she apparently was most definitely NOT OK with.

Winston's corner says she got over it. The accuser apparently asserts she didn't. The fact that she immediately went to the cops afterward and filed a complaint and got the rape kit done is...indicative.

The investigation the Tally PD conducted over this has been absolutely blasted - and rightfully so - by virtually every law-enforcement and legal authority familiar with the case. At no point, actually, has Winston ever been directly questioned by anybody. Basically, months afterward, when the woman recognized Winston and went to the cops ID'ing him as the rapist (and a DNA match, as I mentioned, later confirmed Winston's ##### matched the sample taken by the rape kit) the cops called him - no joke - and asked, pretty please, would he talk to them...and of course, Winston and friends duly lawyered up, the cell-phone video of the incident was deleted, and everybody had their stories all squared up before Tally's finest ever got around to asking - through the lawyers - if anything had gone down that night. The prosecutor took one look at the steaming pile of horse excrement in front of him and said: "There's no way I can prosecute this."

That would be why a lot of people strongly think Jameis Winston, with the collusion of the Tally PD and Florida State University, might have gotten away with rape.

Will anybody likely ever know for sure? Nope. But it looks bad...on everybody connected to this fiasco. And for durn sure women in Tally will not be bringing their complaints to the Tally PD anymore if a football player does something to them. RB Karlos Williams's pregnant girlfriend posted pictures of very substantial bruising all over her arms, claimed she'd gotten beaten, and moved out of Williams' apartment...and when the Tally PD "investigated", not only would she absolutely refuse to cooperate with them, she also withdrew from school and left town.

So it goes, at FSU right now.

To say it's a disgraceful situation is putting it mildly.

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> She says she was impaired. The tox tests and her own
> friend says she seemed allright leaving. She says she
> was mad about the filming but never once disputed all
> she did was get up and shut the door on Winston's
> voyeour/tag team wannabee buddy and then returned to
> having sex with Winston. In other words, if you
> believe the "I was messed up" story, which tox tests
> refute, then you believe her. If you believe the
> pervy friend's story, then the girl went home with
> them, got immediately busy with Winston and rebuffed
> the other guy's interest in her and filming. Then
> Winston gave her a ride home not long after. You are
> going to have to point me to something that there was
> evidence of vaginal tearing because I've never seen
> that. I have seen there was no evidence of drugging,
> an insignificant BAC, and witness statements she
> seemed fine leaving.

Here's where it gets wonky. Apparently the Tally PD released a very different account than the hospital did.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10133431/accuser-attorney-makes-case-reinvestigation-lists-factors-possible-lawsuit-florida-state-university-quarterback-jameis-winston

If this particular report is true, the Tally PD may not have just not done their homework. They may have actually misreported the hospital's findings. If they went that far, it's more than troublesome.

I dunno. It'd be interesting to see what the accuser's hospital records actually show - which, of course, the woman's attorneys can't release until they actually show up in a courtroom and start presenting evidence.

I suspect this whole mess is a long, long way away from over. For a whole lot of people.

Jameis also declines to testify at hearing (link)

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Good for him. Not exactly sure