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Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:32 PM
 

This new pay players for their likeness will not end well for many Universities. Schools like Georgia Tech should be happy. Huge markets! And schools like Michigan with large alumni bases and boosters.

The better players will gravitate to where they can make the money. Enjoy these last very few years of Clemson football at this level.


Re: Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:40 PM
 

Good Luck with that !

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Just heard on the news that it could take effect as early


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 12:14 AM
 

as 2021.

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Re: Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:42 PM
 

I believe we will still get our players because players like TL will still be some of the wealthiest people in the country three years out of college anyways so I don't think they all would chase quick cash.

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And roids. Don't forget the roids.***


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:04 PM
 




Fuego take

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:44 PM
 

And also has a 0% chance of coming true.


Re: Fuego take

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 10:36 PM
 

Really? I tend to agree unfortunately. The larger cities with those boosters that own let’s say a car dealership are going to pony up the big bucks to land recruits for their “likeness”. Back door deals will be the norm. There will be more opportunities in the larger cities.

I guess we better pony up if we want the Tigers to be relevant.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 11:28 PM
 

Is UNC Charlotte going to become a powerhouse because they’re the only program in a big city? No. Is Georgia Tech going to start rattling off CFP appearances regularly? No.

These backroom deals you speak of are already happening. They happen every day. This rule at least gets them out there in the open and not in a back room.


Re: Yeah this just isn’t correct


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 1:04 AM
 

Wait until the kids at UGAy have to pay taxes on their new raptors...


you assume that there are a lot a shady kids and families


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 4:07 AM
 

out there making this deals. If somebody offered me money at work in a brown bag to give them a contract, I wouldn't do it and I would never deal with them again. Same goes for many kids. They won't accept money in a brown bag.

They would however accept legal money for advertising.

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This isn’t an assumption


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 7:18 AM
 

Listen to any plugged in CFB reporter. This happens all the time. Steven Godfrey is one of the best. Go read his “Meet the Bagman” piece. It’s fascinating how intricate a lot of these are. I’m not saying it’s the majority of recruits or even 10% of them but it’s going on every day and has been for decades.


Re: Fuego take


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 3:33 AM
 

So small town campuses will be left in the dust huh ? Places like Athens , Clemson , Tuscaloosa , Auburn and Gainesville ?

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Very few NFL players profit from their likeness the


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:44 PM
 

Number of NCAA football players profiting will be even smaller.


Re: Very few NFL players profit from their likeness the

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:47 PM
 

You don’t think fans will buy jerseys of players? Those dollars matter. And now it opens the gate for bag men boosters to buy their “gear/jerseys” at will. You can’t limit that once the door is open.


There are 11,050 FBS football players very few will


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:54 PM
 

Profit from this move. There has always been cheating and there always will be, but you don’t do something because someone may break the rules.


Re: There are 11,050 FBS football players very few will

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:10 PM
 

You have a point but you're also missing the point from the poster. Yes very few will profit from endorsements like shoe deals but there would be nothing stopping a group of boosters from saying hey kid if you come to our school we will pay you x amount for an autographed jersey. This will change college football drastically.

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Re: There are 11,050 FBS football players very few will

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:15 PM
 

Exactly, I’m worried about the recruiting pool of talent we currently have access to. Don’t care about 11,000+ players. I do care about the 100 that we’d like to come play at our University to be able to compete at the National level.

Under this model, eventually we will not be able to compete. Boosters will pay large sums to prop up major players likesness for players to come to their University. Then all the head coach has to sell to the top players is come to our school to make the most amount of money off your likeness.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:43 PM
 

Theres already schools who play dirty in recruiting and yet Clemson still is outperformng them.

GO TIGERS


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:59 PM
 

CTiger18® said:

You have a point but you're also missing the point from the poster. Yes very few will profit from endorsements like shoe deals but there would be nothing stopping a group of boosters from saying hey kid if you come to our school we will pay you x amount for an autographed jersey. This will change college football drastically.


Will that help our strength of schedule?


This is already happening all over the place


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 11:38 PM
 

The “$100 handshake” is very much a real thing. Most people’s main gripe is boosters will start buying recruits which has been happening for 40 years and isn’t stopping.


Re: Very few NFL players profit from their likeness the


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 11:57 PM
 

Nearly every NFL player is being paid for their likeness. Most are not making large sums, at least by their standards, but money is involved in most things they wear and quite a few things that they do.


Re: Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:49 PM
 

Clemson is a National Brand now and will continue to be.

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Ga Tech? They couldn't fill the stadium when they were good***

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 7:58 PM
 



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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:01 PM
 

Would Trevor sell more shoes in Atlanta or Clemson? It’s pretty simple.


CLEMSON.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:04 PM
 

Hands down. Georgia Tech is an after thought.

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Re: CLEMSON.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:08 PM
 

Based on population alone, you’re wrong. You are thinking in terms of how the football landscape currently exists. Players WILL start going to schools with a bigger market and alumni base. That’s basic economics. The money will push the landscape. It will change. And Clemson doesn’t have the alumni base to compete. The talent will be diluted to the top few schools that can pay in ways from their fans and boosters. It will completely change the way recruiting is done.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:21 PM
 

gotigers37 said:

Based on population alone, you’re wrong. You are thinking in terms of how the football landscape currently exists. Players WILL start going to schools with a bigger market and alumni base. That’s basic economics. The money will push the landscape. It will change. And Clemson doesn’t have the alumni base to compete. The talent will be diluted to the top few schools that can pay in ways from their fans and boosters. It will completely change the way recruiting is done.


You know, the place that has worldwide presence and online sports gear sales????

Oops, you missed the obvious.


Re: CLEMSON.


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:28 PM
 

You’re missing the basic numbers. Let’s break it down using small numbers for ya.

Clemson has 100 alumni.
Michigan has 1000 alumni.

Which school’s fans and alumni will spend more on likeness? Doesn’t matter if it’s online or in Walmart.

Thus, now that school has a much bigger advantage than Clemson.


I thought you were talking about Georgia Tech***

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Population.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:02 PM
 

1% of the population of Atlanta cares about GT. Maybe less.

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defiantly less***

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:16 PM
 

gotigers37 said:

Would Trevor sell more shoes in Atlanta or Clemson? It’s pretty simple.


Sure TL would sell more shoes in Atlanta and that's why they have trucks, to carry them there.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:20 PM
 

Which TV market is bigger? Atlanta or Greenville? You need to think of it in terms of how you would use this as a coach to recruit.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:37 PM
 

I guess Bama is going to have to join the SoCon with Clemson because "there ain't much" in Tuscaloosa, AL.

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Re: Which TV market is bigger? Atlanta or Greenville?


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 7:30 AM
 

Is Atlanta's ESPN better than ours? I could see the TV market angle when I was college age, but don't we all have about 800 channels now?


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:24 PM
 

There probably isn’t a team that will benefit more from this ruling than our own Clemson Tigers. The big time recruits can easily see who the teams are that are sending their good players to the next level. If a young player wants to display his talents where the most publicity will develop, Clemson is that place.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:30 PM
 

You underestimate the advantage the top large TV markets will have for the schools in those areas.


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Posted: Oct 30, 2019 12:07 AM
 

Exactly right. Anyone that does not think that it matters should listen the next time a big time free agent is considering where to go in the NBA. The talk always seems to focus on the superstars being able to make more with their likeness by going to larger markets.


Your argument is inherently flawed from the beginning


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 7:25 AM
 

You’re working under several assumptions that are very big leaps:
1.) that everyone in whatever major TV market cares about CFB
2.) that a shoe company would give an 18 year old high school recruit a lucrative shoe deal
3.) that a majority of population in your large market will even know who an 18 year old recruit is
4.) that the market that big would have 1 predominant school and that their fan base would be organized enough to make a concerted effort to buy all of these shoes in the lead-up to a recruit making their college decision
5.) that a school like GT is even a major player in a city like Atlanta (which they are not)


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:31 PM
 

Would Trevor sell more shoes in Clemson or in Columbus, Austin, Athens. Tuscaloosa, Los Angeles, Eugene, and dozens of other schools with well heeled alumni. And/or many times the alumni that Clemson has. Follow the $$$$$$$. The rich will get richer, the haves will have more.

Open your eyes and understand what people will do to have a winning athletic program. Do you think any business leaders will hire a 19 yr old 5* as his company's spokesman and take a tax credit for the business expense.

Call me chicken little if you want, but seriously, think the issue through to the logical end of what people are capable of doing, and what they WILL do to promote their school. Neither the NCAA nor the schools will be a lone to keep efforts wild west scheme under control.


Re: Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:21 PM
 

Yea we definitely won’t be able to pay. We don’t have the kind of money to pay head coaches $9million per year, much less $10,000 for an autographed jersey.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:32 PM
 

You’re missing it. The money for these players will not come from the schools.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:43 PM
 

How did our school get the money to pay those coaches and for our top notch facilities?


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:47 PM
 

Yes donors and fans helped pay for those things inside the current system. Just wait. Texas will crush us.


sadly, you're correct

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:30 PM
 

Our Alumni base is nowhere near as large, influential, or rich as others. This is fact. Clemson is able to compete given the parameters we currently operate under but you're lying to yourself if you think we can keep up with the alumni bases of Stanford, UCLA, USC (the real one), UofM, UT, etc.

Tim Bourret hit the nail on the head on WCCP a few weeks ago on this topic and I can assure you he didn't say Clemson would be able to compete in the arms race that may be coming.


This is fact. Well said.


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:33 PM
 

Our fans better wake-up as should many other fan bases that operate well within the current system.

The game is about to change drastically.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:40 PM
 

Oh my God, for some of you guys the sky is just falling all the time huh? Clemson will be fine.

GO TIGERS


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:40 PM
 

I understand your concern regarding bigger markets. Your logic would spell the demise of Alabama, Oklahoma, LSU, Georgia and I could go on and on. All of those markets are small when stacked against larger Metro areas. I just don’t think it is going to happen. Everyone can’t go to USC or UCLA. There will be plenty of athletes for everyone. We need to wait and see how it all plays out and I hope your prediction does not come true.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:49 PM
 

There’s not plenty of players for everyone now. Why do you think it’s Clemson and Bama and a few others every year. We take them all. Now the schools with the large markets and fan bases will gobble them up. It will take time but it will change. The schools you mentioned may no longer be the powerhouses because they can’t compete with the dollar.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:44 PM
 

OP, maybe you’re trying to say that the size of the fan base will result in an advantage for large fan bases, and there may be some truth to that, but GA Tech is a bad example, the population and tv market associated with their location will not drive jersey sales or result in any economic advantage. My advantage enjoyed via this new rule will be based on size of fan base, not population or TV market. Rutgers has population and tv market but both of their fans have all the jerseys they need.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:44 PM
 



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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:58 PM
 

Clemson's going to be fine.

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Just like SEC TV revenue was going to make South Carolina


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 8:58 PM
 

....a national powerhouse and relegate Clemson to a college football afterthought?

Sounds equally plausible, there's no way Clemson can compete.


Re: Just like SEC TV revenue was going to make South Carolina


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:06 PM
 

We are talking about direct dollars going in players pockets based on what the University can offer to promote their likeness...ie. market size, alumni size, tv contracts, net worth of top donors, and connections with specific corporate and business relationships.


Somebody tell Aaron Rodgers to get out of Green Bay!


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:03 PM
 

Doesn't he realize how much money he's passing up by not playing in New York?


Re: Somebody tell Aaron Rodgers to get out of Green Bay!


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:07 PM
 

That actually is how it works. Look at Lebron.


so Sick of the markets argument for college


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:10 PM
 

Athletics, been proven wrong so many times.

It’s all about brand and teams people want to see.


Re: so Sick of the markets argument for college


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:14 PM
 

But never in the markets history has it had an opportunity to to directly pay the individuals responsible for the product.

It will be interesting to see how the NCAA tries to control this. My guess is they’ll make a cut in some manner.

Recruiting is about to change in a big way.


Genuine question here;


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:19 PM
 

How has this arguement been proven wrong when it has never existed?

Athletes have never had the opportunity to be directly compensated by the supporters of a university so as I see it, we can only speculate as to what will happen.


Correct. I’m just guessing.


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:24 PM
 

I’d love to hear some reasons on how this will actually help us!


Everybody keeps talking about jerseys and shoes


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:14 PM
 

I finally consider myself a grown up and don't wear jerseys of kids. I don't think the shoe deal is that big a deal. There may be 3 kids on one ELITE team that may cash in on a local car dealership commercial. As mentioned on Pacman's show today, these young adults are going to be 1099'd so they got to keep up with their taxes. There's also talk that their "full ride" is going to count as income as well. So, they are probably going to end up being better off in the current system.

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Re: Everybody keeps talking about jerseys and shoes


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:16 PM
 

I agree with all that. But the big money donors were just given a way to funnel cash.


I hear you, but I believe by the time this stuff takes place, CU will be ahead of the curve

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:23 PM
 

I think its going to be heavily regulated, more eyes than ever on these programs. And the IRS will be in it now. The one pure thing and they had to mess it up

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Scholarship will be taxed?


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:22 PM
 

I haven't heard that yet. Interesting.

I'd be interested to know more about how they could do that without taxing students on Academic scholarships as well.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:15 PM
 

this statement reminds me of one one of your own graduates said a few years ago, after the LSU win (I'm a CID grad, but raised a Clemson fan).

He said, "winning that championship in 81 was the worst thing that ever happened to Clemson football. it was a fluke then and ever since Clemson fans have wanted another. but it's not going to happen. the game has changed too much, Clemson will always be chasing after another championship that will never be obtained."

I cannot say the OP will prove to be as inaccurate as the Clemson grad I quoted has proven to be (but I expect this to be). I can, however, recognize the arrogance associated with these prophets of doom who, if things get really bad, can tell us all, "I told you so" with all the pride in the world, but who will just as quickly jump, shout and buy a new Clemson cap every year a conference or national championship is achieved.

bold and unsupported predictions of doom are really rather cowardly.


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:23 PM
 

This is a discussion of what could be caused by today’s vote. I actually hope I’m wrong. And it’s to be determined based on the rules the NCAA sets within this new system.

I love when posters try and invalidate a discussion because there are negative consequences being discussed. If you can’t be an adult and discuss a narrative move on to talking about how much you live the color orange or what you’re gonna dress up for Halloween. This is a sports board...get over it.


Every top player is not gonna chase

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 9:23 PM
 

the cash. The percentages they get off sales will be miniscule. An interesting side issue will be the inevitable resentment. Who's gonna make more from licenses, the 5* qb or the 5* left tackle? However much they end up getting, there will be a massive disparity between the stars and bench warmers. Thus leading to more use of transfer portal. Also, why go to Michigan and be a backup for a year or 2 and make no money versus being a starter at another school?

Bottom line, sending players to the NFL will still be the standard in my opinion. You go to Michigan make some quick cash, but what if Rich Rod was the coach and you don't develop they way you should, thus losing millions?


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Re: Every top player is not gonna chase


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 8:26 AM
 

I think this is a fascinating topic and frankly haven't totally made up my mind yet, but as of now, the possible negative outcomes seem to far outweigh the positives. BUT what about this thought? I do believe games are won or lost primarily by the majority on the team who would not benefit much by these "endorsemts"....always liked the saying "games are won in the trenches". Give me a dominant line of scrimmage and back 7, and good coaches could make decent "skill" players look good. Maybe this could backfire on the big alumni base boosters? If Dabo and co can make the pitch that our high profile positions won't benefit any more than you, Mr OT or Mr DB, maybe we could still benefit from a similar niche culture approach Dabo has proven to leverage against the big alumni bases to date. Is that crazy?


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 10:15 PM
 

DA post of the century so far


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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 10:22 PM
 

Not at all how this will work.

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Posted: Oct 29, 2019 10:27 PM
 

there are a lot of refreshingly good things about a Saturday at a Furman football game. I get what you’re saying though.


Maybe a bunch of universities will turn into Furman and the


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 11:04 PM
 

college landscape will turn back into what it is supposed to be and there will be the "paid athlete" teams that play on a college campus and the real college athletic schools that play real college sports and they can play each other on a level fun atmosphere like it should be that form there own conferences and disassociate with the NCAA.

Just a thought.


I agree totally, this will not end well.


Posted: Oct 29, 2019 11:12 PM
 

It is end of college sports as we knew them. It is not a perfect system now, but this is now going away.


Re: I agree totally, this will not end well.


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 12:40 AM
 

No problem. The world is supposed to end in 12 years .

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Re: Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 12:17 AM
 

No way. Big cities are pro sports towns and they are not going to all of a sudden turn into college sports towns. The Matt Ryans are going to get way more attention that an athlete at Georgia Tech. You are talking about a few elite athletes on a few teams making money. There is a lot more that we don't know about this than we know. Let's wait and see.


Re: Clemson will turn into a Furman athletically in a decades time.


Posted: Oct 30, 2019 4:09 AM
 

No .

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