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Re: Rick Barnes

Mar 8, 2017, 1:16 PM

He won 23 games his third year at Clemson and reached the Sweet 16, then he fell to 18 wins and a "one & done" upset loss to a big under-dog Western Michigan squad in the opening round of the NCAAs before calling it quits and heading to Texas.

I think there were tremendous expectations that Barnes would follow up his 23-win Sweet 16 season with even better results the following year and when he regressed in his 4th season, I believe it was a big disapppintment to Clemson fans and I think Barnes knew he'd done about all he could at Clemson.

Maybe he bolted because of the "behind the scenes" issues so many talk about, but even so, I personally believe he also saw the hand writing on the wall with recruiting and winning consistently in the ACC at Clemson.

His mediocre last season at Clemson left almost all fans disappointed and his departure was an even more bitter pill to swallow.

Still however, many fans celebrate Rick Barnes for that 18-win season while denigrating Brownell for a similar effort this year.

Link to Rick Barnes @ Clemson season by season ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_Tigers_men%27s_basketball,_1990%E2%80%9399#1995.E2.80.9396

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"Barnes somehow got NCAA bids for his 18-win seasons. Is that the difference?"

Yes. That should be a pretty big hint that not all schedules are created equal.

Barnes first 18 win season, they played 3 fewer games at this point, so that's why only 18 wins.

His 2nd 18 win season, the record would be the same as this year (had Clemson won today), so let's look closer.

Barnes had played teams with this ranking in the final AP poll:
1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 5, 14, 20, 20, 22
with wins over 14 and 20. That's not much in the good wins department, but 6 games against top 5 teams is ridiculous (losing all), and he was 2-2 vs rest of top 25

Brownell has played teams with this ranking in the final AP poll:
6, 10, 14, 14, 16, 16, 21, 22
and the only win would be the hypothetical win against #14 Duke today. Not nearly as tough a schedule and even less good wins.

If Clemson beats Duke today, they have 18 wins - Rick Barnes

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I agree ... wish he'd stayed and finished the job.***

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