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New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:41 PM
 

 
NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

At the request of the Atlantic Coast Conference, the National Coordinator of Officials has reviewed the targeting play that occurred in the second half of the Clemson at Wake Forest game on Thursday night. In addition, the ACC’s Coordinator of Officials has commented on his remarks during the game’s broadcast. Full Story »



Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:43 PM
 

What a pile of CYA garbage.

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:25 PM
 

This reminds me of Eric Holder covering for B.H.O.


This is the same group that never questioned UNC no show


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:38 PM
 

classes. This is same group that committed such egregious errors
in the University of Miami investigation that they could not
charge Miami due to their errors. It is criminal and should be
treated as a criminal investigation, but it will not because you have
a bunch of mob like characters in charge of the NCAA.

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Would verdict be same if ND, AL, OSU, UGA was recipient?


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 7:27 AM
 

Just sayin'.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:48 PM
 

NOOOOOO, that was I've had my A$S reamed out over putting my 2 cents into what I really believed to be a bad call, but "they" write my pay check, what do you want from me? The truth, You must be crazy as H&ll!!!

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In terms of pay......


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 8:28 AM
 

That's the problem. These guys are part time semi professional refs. Isn't time we get real referees in college football? Isn't college football "big" enough to have professional referees? I personally know an SEC ref and he tells me that yea, we stick together on calls whether we agree or not, he throws flags just because his buddy across the field threw one. This game was the worst called game if I have seen in a while on both sides. Clemson's first down spot was a good yard and a half off. The pass interference calls, rediculous. I think these guys just have not seen corners covering that good before.


Is it really covering your rump when everyone knows you're


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:09 PM
 

full of it? Just digging deeper.

Of course, this is the same NCAA that makes up the rules as they go (Penn State) and breaks the law during investigations (Miami).

Sleaze balls, the whole lot.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 7:31 AM
 

I couldn't agree with you more. I would have had more respect for these yahoos had they just hid under a rock and said nothing. This is CYA at its finest. Heck, I even say it is CYFA!

Ridiculous. The ejection should have been overruled.


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Posted: Nov 9, 2014 10:56 AM
 

I'm guessing that at the Spring NCAA meetings, the ACC will propose that there be second "review official" to review the call of the initial "review" official...yea...that will fix it!...wonder if they also will give him a teaser, sorry, buzzer to contact the initial reviewer.


Re: New Sltory: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:44 PM
 

This is BS. Why would the ACC send it to the NCAA if they felt they made the right call?

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:22 PM
 

Amen, brother! Amen! Never heard of such before! They screwed the pooch on this one. All of this from the second quarter on was in reaction to Dabo's rant over a call earlier in the game. Sure, Dabo lost it but geez this was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen and Clemson plays in the ACC. That's saying something. I used to think it was paranoia but this game was purposely set up for a Tobacco Road upset.


Doug Rhoads is a coward.

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:45 PM
 

Nm

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Translation: "The refs replay ref blew it but we will cover

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:49 PM
 

for him". I guess they did not get the replay they showed on TV because that one obviously showed no contact to the head or neck. No wonder officials suck so bad when nobody in charge will call them on it


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:39 PM
 



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Re: Doug Rhoads is a coward.

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:59 PM
 

Exactly. Stand by your honest opinion which you stated last night after watching the replay.


Doug Rhoads Translation:


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 8:23 AM
 

" I saw the play from more angles that the replay official and had to agree with the official that talked to the Clemson player. I screwed up and told the truth on national TV. I apologize to the ACC for my poor behavior. It will not happen again. I would also like to thank the NCAA for covering our butts. I know it wasn't your job, so we owe you one. PS: Jameis is a good boy. Please lay off him."


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:20 AM
 

There was Uday and Cusay. Meet Pusay.

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


We have found Saddam Hussien's third son


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:20 AM
 

There was Uday and Cusay. Meet Pusay.

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


We have found Saddam Hussien's third son


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:21 AM
 

There was Uday and Cusay. Meet Pusay.

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


We have found Saddam Hussien's third son


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:21 AM
 

There was Uday and Cusay. Meet Pusay.

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


We have found Saddam Hussien's third son


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:21 AM
 

There was Uday and Cusay. Meet Pusay.

-Tesla

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


We have found Saddam Hussien's third son


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:21 AM
 

There was Uday and Cusay. Meet Pusay.

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:46 PM
 

The further wussification of this sport is just awful. If you don't want to get hit, get some pom poms and a skirt. It's a contact sport for God's sake. No other way to make a play on that than what he did. Had he gone low flipped the guy and broke his neck, would he have still been flagged? It's got to stop somewhere.


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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:47 PM
 

We saw the same evidence that he did. Seems to me he doesn't want to admit his boys #### the bed on that one.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:30 PM
 

There are no other video feeds. The booth guys see what we see. They are dependent on the broadcasting network for what they see. There are no special NCAA cameras or ACC cameras at each game that show different video from what we see on TV. And why would a broadcast network not show us what they have video on. This is utter bullcrap. I have long thought that there was a Tobacco Road bias to basketball officiating in the ACC, but it extends to football.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:48 PM
 

Doug Rhodes is a big wuss. He saw the same replays we saw. Now he is mistaken? Have they ever admitted to being mistaken? Obeying his higher ups to shush

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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 8:42 PM
 

This just a typical cover-up by the ACC.....INCOMPETENT OR CORRUPT OFFICIATING.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:50 PM
 

1. This hit in the SEC doesn't even draw a flag. I've watched plenty of the Mississippi teams and Alabama and LSU


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:53 PM
 

It must fly in the mighty SEC We got the same call vs lus


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:56 PM
 

Play and those teams hit hard and up around the head and neck constantly.

2. It's pretty pathetic from a conference that you have a school like UNC running totally out of control with no punishment but they can't appeal an ejection.

3. Of course they are gonna get a bunch of people to say it was the right call because with an appeals process they look like idiots punishing a player who made a great play.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:51 PM
 

They are just hurting their own credibility and making themselves look bad. That hit, shoulder to chest , was legal but since it was a hard hit and everyone is scared of the PC police, they are going to go the coward route.

If anything, I think GTech will pay the price as we will have one very fired up defense regarding this call and Rsmith will be game on in the 2nd half.


I heard Swofford wants to add an extra quarter suspension***

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:52 PM
 



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There is precedent for the ACC to do so.***


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:55 PM
 



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Two words: Bovine Excrement

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:52 PM
 

Show me the contact to the head and neck and I'll back off.

Until then ... Free Robert Smith!

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Smith should a sent that TE a dozen roses and asked him not

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:56 PM
 

to catch the ball, anything else is just barbaric.


That lying, incompetent sack of #### can suck a donkey dong.

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:06 PM
 

What an insult to all fans who saw it to think we would be so gullible. We saw it. We understand the rule and we understand there was no infraction, and we know the replay shows it beyond any doubt whatsoever. It wasn't really even close. Go pound sand in you ### you piece of waste.

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BS Rhodes! ESPN says the refs see same camera-views as us!

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:09 PM
 

Too bad Rhodes didn't have the balls to just say that he disagreed with the replay refs.


Re: BS Rhodes! ESPN says the refs see same camera-views as us!

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:33 PM
 

Thats why having the "supervisor of officials" on these broadcasts is just bullcrap dog and pony stuff.


I always thought it was risky to have Rhodes in the booth.


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 1:15 PM
 

I always thought it was risky to put him in the booth because he might be honest during the broadcast but then politically have to cover the replay-refs' butts afterwards, if they come to a different conclusion. I wouldn't be surprised if either Rhodes doesn't appear in the booth anymore or (more likely) he doesn't give an opinion on the call anymore-- simply explaining the rule itself and what the replay refs might be looking at.


Lot of hypertechnical language in that response ......

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:12 PM
 

crock , though....total crock

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I would love to see the angle that supposedly shows the head

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:12 PM
 

contact because I still haven't seen it. NCAA and ACC circled the wagons which is par for the course. The NCAA is fast slipping into irrelevance vis a vis the Power 5 and will happily do whatever a conference tells them to do.

That why Robert Smith gets ejected and why UNC won't be sanctioned. Utter BS.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:15 PM
 

Head ref guy (white hat)is from Lugoff, SC - Mr. Patterson - State Farm Agent

His team needs additional training :(

Not sure which guy threw the flag; however, they work as a team.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:20 PM
 

Oh, Ron Cherry would have said, "Giving him da'business," but he would not have called targeting.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 8:50 AM
 

I believe that Mr. Gary Patterson is the son of James V. Patterson

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, a graduate of Clemson in 1951 and supporter of IPTAY until his death. Gary

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is also a member of IPTAY, as is his brother, Lewis,

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who runs an insurance company in Clemson. His sister, Paula is also a graduate and strong supporter of Clemson Athletics.

There is no anti-Clemson bias here, only a honest man who grew up in a great family.

-- from personal knowledge



Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:09 AM
 

We're missing the bigger point. What the funk has to be done to get Swofford out?


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:21 PM
 

Nice try mr official. But the initial contact was in the chest.... After the d*** hit since he hit him so hard his face mask hit his helmet bc he knocked him out of his shoes..... That was not intentional dummy.

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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:25 PM
 

Apparently, ACC refs are a bunch of spineless f$%*s. Case closed. #Fail


CYA


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:25 PM
 

Nm

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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:27 PM
 

They completely blew most calls the whole game. I watched the game today. I was working last night and kept up with it on game tracker. After seeing it today I wonder how the referees have their jobs. This is the poorest officiating I've seen. No wonder Dabo was furious. You call everything on one team even false crap then let wake tackle receivers while the ball is in the air.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:08 PM
 

Yes. The pass interference calls against us were awful,too. And the "no calls" against Wake on pass coverage we're just as bad.


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:33 PM
 



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So let me get this right

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:39 PM
 

The NCAA head of officials, that graduated from GT thinks the call is correct?

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Re: So let me get this right

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:47 PM
 

It has always bothered me that refs have ZERO accountability. This is a prime example. Not only do they suck, they stand behind one another no matter what. Announcers even get reprimanded for questioning officiating. This can't be left alone. I wish someone like ESPN would run with it. As far as Swofford goes, I would like to punch him in the cerebellum.

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Re: So let me get this right


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:56 PM
 

Then you would be flagged for targeting, and miss the first half of the GT game. Is Jack Ass, I mean, John Swofford really worth that? Okay, I'll be second in line to target that large empty melon!


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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:41 PM
 

Don't like it, but it's the hand that's been dealt. We need to get ready for GT. That's going to be a tough one.


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:45 PM
 

Seriously this is nearly as bad as the bounce pass against UNC and the Ficticious Catch against the Twerps in 85. I have seen a lot of screw jobs over the years (mostly in hoops) but this is bold. The director of officials sees all the replays live last night and clearly expresses the call should be reversed on National TV. Today after no doubt receiving formal complaints from Clemson the wagons are circled and we get this BS statement. Don't these jack legs know the live TV audience SAW and heard what happened???? Enough is enough A-HOLES!!!!


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:48 PM
 

Opinions are just that. Smith launched because the receiver was in he air. It was a hard hit, but it was a fair hit in the opinion of many others- including other officials on the field.
He did not lead with his helmet. This is division 1 football - not powderpuff. It was a rough night of bad calls for the officials.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:48 PM
 

Opinions are just that. Smith launched because the receiver was in he air. It was a hard hit, but it was a fair hit in the opinion of many others- including other officials on the field.
He did not lead with his helmet. This is division 1 football - not powderpuff. It was a rough night of bad calls for the officials.


New Policy For Dougie


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 9:49 PM
 

Bet the yellow belly will not make anymore decisive statements prior to the booth ruling in the future on ESPN! We will get a lot of double talk waiting on the review from Dougie from now on.


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I guess that we're going to have to start coaching our


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:01 PM
 

players to take them out at the knees. More injuries, but less ejections.


Rogers Redding is a GT grad


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:05 PM
 

This explains just about everything!!!

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OMG- and this guy doesn't recuse himself-- what a total


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:46 PM
 

scam


if that was a correct call, the rule should change, or


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:12 PM
 

Football will degrade into a pansy sport no one cares about. If you take away the hits, it loses its luster quickly.


I must be going blind

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:17 PM
 

Robert hit him in the chest with his shoulder. What's he supposed to do? Stand there and let the TE take him out while completing the catch? What a freaking joke.

Keep your head up, Robert, and keep playing hard. You did nothing wrong.


That's the state of affairs of football these days


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:25 PM
 

You're no longer allowed to go for those big hits.

The same thing happened for us with DJ Smith against Kentucky. What was a great hit 10 heads ago is now dangerous.

Maybe it's for the best with all the concussion problems today. But I hate to see the physicality removed from the sport.

How long was Serigne out of the game after the hit?

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:23 PM
 

Rhodes was right and now ACC forced him to retract. No head contact. Where did those officials come from. The elete SEC? Lol


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:38 PM
 

I've watched the video. There is no question that there was NO targeting of the head and/or neck area. How can those guys say otherwise? The viewers and thousands more have seen the video. Credibility and respect for the officiating bodies falls with this kind of action.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:46 PM
 

When lacking the intellectual capacity to formulate an objective opinion, it is always nice to fall back on "what he said." One has to question how someone faced with indelible proof of error, yet unable to recognize it, can be an "official" of anything.


Would like to see a hit to the chest that looks different and is legal.


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:42 PM
 

They might as well not allow hits above the waist


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:56 PM
 

Notice the picture posted with the article. They show him with
his head down, like he was using his head first. That's BS!!!
That's 3/4 of the way through the play..ball almost to ground.
Trying to make the pic fit their argument.

When I see this song and dance, I start asking:
1. Who's being paid off? OR
2. Who has money on the game, and is trying to affect the outcome?
As bad is this is, it's one of these two items.
Especially, prior to the game, I heard some report saying
Clemson wouldn't make the point spread...I thought when I heard
that...that sounds fishy.

GO TIGERS!!! (Beat the other team and the refs!)

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Analysis of the picture posted


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:09 AM
 

Actually, when looking at the photo I see:

Robert's shoulder is in the TE's chest area.

His head is outside of TE's body space.

Robert's head is below the TE's head (which makes it impossible for Robert (5-11) to target the TE's (6-3) head)

Robert's head and body would be over the TE's head if he had been targeting his head.ating

Poor officiating.

Even worst attempt at cover up.


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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:58 PM
 

Did anybody besides me think that Dabo was about to be ejected also. I thought he was screaming on a very fine line....

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:00 PM
 

Yeah, especially when he kept on about it.
You can't blame him, though.
I was doing the same thing. :)
GO TIGERS!!!

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If you look at this video .....

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:58 PM
 

go to the 2:45 mark and hit play, pause, play pause...


Anytime I have seen anyone get hit in the neck/head area, their head flops backwards. When I have seen people get hit in the chest, the entire upper body and the neck/head all take on the same direction at the same time. It is a clear hit in the chest


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2aCOe0k60


Re: If you look at this video .....Hard, but LEGAL!

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:07 PM
 

Thanks for the post!
GO TIGERS!!!

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Rules are now vague even among those trained to know


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:18 PM
 

what's legal and not. Great hit, well timed, and to the chest not head. If this is how they are to play from now on, take off the helmet and pads and put flags on their hips. Call it "flag" football and nobody gets hurt. If that happens do we even needs refs?


Wearing Flags


Posted: Nov 9, 2014 7:28 PM
 

Good call as that is what Dabo said in his news conference. Wonder if he read this?


That is an absolute insult to our intelligence. No wonder


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:29 PM
 

UNC has skated for so long. The act of lying in this country has become completely acceptable. And integrity has just been thrown out the window. For the ACC head of officials to do a complete about face is unacceptable. When the ACC officials make any official statement, you can take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: That is an absolute insult to our intelligence. No wonder


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:48 PM
 

Sniff Sniff... What is hat smell? OH Yeah ITS HORSE CRAP!!!!! Crappy call...


Back peddling ahole


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:42 PM
 

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BULL$HIT...BULL$HIT...BULL$HIT...BULL$HIT...

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Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:44 PM
 

BULL$HIT...


Venables needs to teach a new tackling technique...


Posted: Nov 7, 2014 11:45 PM
 

any eligible receiver coming across the middle should be hit with a pillow...if the pillow breaks and feathers fly everywhere, though...it's a penalty. Receivers should be gently nudged....with a pillow!


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:41 AM
 

Where is Ron Cherry?!?!?! We need Ron Cherry!!!!


Coot Ref is all I can say


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:52 AM
 

That wasn't a personal foul. That was an abrupt change in momentum. Did not even hit the helmet.

The title of this rule (Targeting) represents the sum total intelligence of typical jock football IQ.

What the heck is a guy supposed to do if he can't set his sights on making the hit on another guy? Call it something else. Not Targeting. Use the term Targeting to throw a flag on a hunter out shooting deer who happened to be caught looking though the scope. Shame on them targeting that deer! Foul! Not fair! You targeted that deer. Get out of the deer stand and you are suspended from hunting tomorrow morning.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 2:14 AM
 

It was a hard clean hit blind dumbass! Maybe they should start targeting the refs might knock some sense into these idiots but I doubt it


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 4:34 AM
 

They are trying to protect players who are sitting ducks/in defenseless positions from being targeted for execution. Though the rule seems a bit vague atm, if it makes it safer for defenseless players then im all for it. The Tiger defender did launch himself into the upper body/head area of a defensless receiver without making a play on the ball or trying to make a tackle. He basically delivered an execution style hit on a defenseless player who had no clue what was coming, not a true football play, which would be a tackle or a play on the ball. Limiting defenders from freebie cheap shots could go a long way towards making the game safer imo. Im sure alot of defensive coaches are ok with this type of hit, or possibly even teach it, but that doesnt make it right. The key here is the offensive player was in a defensless/vulnerable position, and he didnt even have possesion of the ball. This wasnt even kill the man with the ball, cuz he never even had the dang ball...too extreme imo in an already extremely physical game. Im suprised there arent more concussions/brain damage out there, though u are starting to hear more about it...perhaps it was never rlly talked about in the past because it would be frowned upon to do so. Football is a great game, and highly physical as it is...imo theres no place for launching yourself into a defensless player, instead make a play on the ball or make a tackle imo. Part of improving the rule could be clarifying exactly what constitutes a defenseless player, though its pretty easy to see. Seems pretty simple to me, make a tackle or make a play on the ball when going up against a defensless player. The defender should have the same rights as the offensive player once the ball is in the air, if thats not the case, it should be...ie the defender should be able to run through the offensive player as long as they are legitimately going for the ball.


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both players were going full speed


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 5:17 AM
 

Smith read the play and went at him like he should of went after him, with his head up and hitting with his shoulder. It would of been very hard for Smith to adjust and hit him anywhere else than where he did. If u ever played football, you would know that's its hard to adjust when going full speed. I see nothing wrong with Smith's hit


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 4:35 AM
 



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Is it this NCAA


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 4:44 AM
 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24788147/no-bluffing----ncaa-has-lost-all-credibility-with-penn-state-usc-more

Really? Talk about corrupt!

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He led with his shoulder and hit him in his


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 5:11 AM
 

Upper chest! With the position Smith and at the speed both players were going, it would be nearly impossible for Smith to hit him anywhere else. Such a bs call and I feel like Dabo told Smith to not do anything different. Good form tackle imo


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 5:31 AM
 

I'm not sure which is the most aggregious, the replay booth not over turning the call or Rhoads flip flop. I'll give the call on the field a pass since it was a bang-bang play and we do need to err on the side of protecting players.

It was clear that Smith hit his opponent in the chest with his shoulder. If his intent was to target he would never have turned his shoulder but led with his helmet. Whatever mystery angle the ACC is leaning on needs released. But seeing how The UNC scandal is being soft gloved I'll not hold my breath waiting on this conference to show any credibility.

Rhoads comments watching the replay were right then and he knows it. It's a shame to see a man whose profession is suppose to represent fairness and good judgement capitulate so horribly afterwards. He should man up but apparently the panties he and the ACC are wearing are on to tight. I'd also like to hear from Clemson's AD on this but my gut feeling is that he's part of the Cowardly Dogs posse of pen heads too. Maybe I'm venting a little much but this more than a football issue. This is about character, integrity and credibility which every institution in America lacks right now. My old football coach use to say we FB players are the last American Cowboys. So do everything you do like a man. Do it right and stand even you're the only one left standing. Sorry to see Rhoads and the institutions he represents be so "unmanly".


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 6:24 AM
 

Rogers Redding you have now proven that you need to be replaced! Doug Rhoads you need to grow some balls and stand by the things you say....especially when you know you are correct but pressured to change your mind!


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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 6:26 AM
 

We do not have to like it, we just have to live with it

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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 6:47 AM
 



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BS, CYA, SOP


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 6:54 AM
 

No more need be said.


Dear Mr. Rhodes, don't be a gutless wonder and make this


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 6:59 AM
 

a "teachable moment," literally. Join the Gameday crew this morning and breakdown this play using whatever camera angle you want and explain to us how this was an illegal hit. Then for clarity, show the replay angles we all saw in the telecast and tell us what it is that we, including you at the time, are missing.


oh, one other thing - after giving us your BS explanation


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 7:07 AM
 

then apply the same to the infamous Clowney hit. Probably the most replayed hit in the last 15 years. (To clarify, I don't think Clowney's hit was targeting either - neither did the officials.)


Obviously, the NCAA and ACC Either Are Unaware Of Or


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 7:04 AM
 

don't understand the implications of the results of last Tuesday's elections.


horsesh""t!


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 7:55 AM
 

I saw the play. Flat out I don't care how many people try and tell me the sky is green. I know it's blue! NCAA have some balls! You know the ruling was crap. It's ok. Just say it was! Gutless turds!

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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 8:26 AM
 



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"Head and neck area" now includes the chest? SMDH


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:19 AM
 

Shoulder pad meets other guys shoulder pad and it's targeting. Really? "Launching"? Is he supposed to keep both feet on the ground while running and making a hit on a player in the air? Was he supposed to let the guy catch it, come down, then ask permission to hit the guy?

Incompetence.


He should have taken out his feet and made him spin


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:46 AM
 

that would have been much safer.


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:50 AM
 

That was a clean hit! I don't blame the refs-----I blame the replay booth for not overturning it. And the NCAA is full of #### for saying it was the right call. What a load of bs


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:51 AM
 

Just covering for each other


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Posted: Nov 10, 2014 1:27 PM
 



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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:50 AM
 

Here is Mr. Redding's email address. Feel free to express your opinion.
redding.cfo@hotmail.com


Here is the rule


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:51 AM
 

Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4)

No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 2-27-14)


Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:51 AM
 

Why don't they just settle all of this and just go to tag football. I think that is what they are really after ...


This is the result of the politically correct, wussification


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 9:58 AM
 

of football. Fear of litigation and the threat of bad press from vaginal interest groups will eventually totally ruin the violent element of football. We are a nation of sensitive wusses. It won't stop until fans organize and do something about it.

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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 10:05 AM
 

I don't think I talked to anyone who watched the game that didn't think it was the worst officated game they have ever watched. Many of my SEC friends commented that it was so bad it had to be intentional. What did we do to tick off the officials? Not just this call but many others as well as missed calls were the center of discussion yesterday in my office and I am the only Clemson fan. So now the NCAA has set a new standard to save face for the ACC. I hope every SEC coach is burning up the NCAA and SEC phone lines over this. My SEC friends believe they will never make this call in the SEC despite the NCAA's public support. Now that it is done, Clemson and all fans need to be very vocal if it is not applied fairly and only apples to us. I have always supported our ACC affiliation but when we are intentionally, publicly treated so unfairly I say it is time to find another home.


Just shows how a guy who is supposed to be in charge


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 10:15 AM
 

Will bend what he, and everybody else in God's green Earth saw, to justify a mistake one of his troops has made. Pathetic pass given for a pathetic call. Now a pathetic explanation. He needs to be reprimanded and dismissed too.

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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 10:26 AM
 

I want to see what they recommend for unc for cheating for over 18 years. Different board investigates, but it will have the same bs smell.


Doug Rhodes


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:10 PM
 

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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:12 PM
 

They need to change anatomy books then if your head/neck is in the middle of your chest.

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Posted: Nov 8, 2014 4:25 PM
 

there will be no more tackle football https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S8099kJGMc <~~ heres what you have forward to looking to.


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Re: New Story: NCAA, ACC head of officials confirm that Smith ejection was "correct"


Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:14 PM
 

"There is a launch"
This is the part that amazes me. Where and how did Smith exactly launch himself. He braced himself for the impact as any football player is trained to do. Any less action would be shying away from the impact. Should he have put up his hands and tried to cushion the impact? Is this what the rules are trying to impart? The part about head and neck is so ambiguous they can define it as any area above the torso; but there was def no "launch."


Baloney. Why even bother being consulted at all?


Posted: Nov 9, 2014 12:13 PM
 

Chicken----

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I say we unleash Smoth on that committee!


Posted: Nov 9, 2014 6:32 PM
 

Either that or its time we round these morons up and hang them from the goal posts!


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Posted: Nov 10, 2014 1:17 PM
 

Dear Mr Rhoads,

Whilst I was tickled about the calls against those Tigers, we need to make sure you are a little more sober next time. You had a hard time with your numbers and whether it was offensive or defensive penalty. I loved that ejection though, go Heels!!!

John Swofford


When did the sternum become part of the head or neck?


Posted: Nov 10, 2014 1:21 PM
 

Oh, it's connected, so there you go.

The head bone's connected to the, neck bone. The neck bone's connected to the, chest bone. (remember that old tune?)

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Posted: Nov 10, 2014 1:29 PM
 

We already know the arrogant self-serving SOB's blatantly targeted US with this BS call and ruling.

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