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More shameful words from the White House
Jun 4, 2014, 11:42 AM
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The White House is on the defensive because they haven't been able to defend, justify, or rationalize a horrendously bad decision. So they attack the soldiers in his company/platoon for coming out describing Bergdahl as a deserter. I guess in the eyes of the White House, Bergdahl's comrades were "swift boating" when they put their lives on the line trying to locate and rescue this guy.
And to make things worse, Obama will be in Normandy honoring the seventieth anniversary of D-Day. Time to vomit.
Just wondrin how low the White House will go.
Sorry for the vent folks.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-white-house-accuses-soldiers-who-served-bergdahl-swift-boating-him_794307.html#!
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Two words
Jun 4, 2014, 11:45 AM
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Ben Ghazi
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Re: Two words
Jun 4, 2014, 11:52 AM
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Been Ghayzi
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I thought that was...
Jun 4, 2014, 1:03 PM
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the name of a 90's alternative rock band. TFIC
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TFIC = Thai Furniture Industry Club? Dafuck?***
Jun 4, 2014, 1:05 PM
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phuket dude***
Jun 4, 2014, 2:06 PM
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Re: More shameful words from the White House
Jun 4, 2014, 1:13 PM
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You people are ridiculous, Even in Bizzarro world, I never thought we would have a debate over not bringing home one of our own captured soldiers.
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"captured" and "soldier" are yet to be seen
Jun 4, 2014, 1:19 PM
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and trading up 5 tollybon leaders IS NOT HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT.
Spin it however you want. This White House is embarrassing.
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Re: "captured" and "soldier" are yet to be seen
Jun 4, 2014, 1:20 PM
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you are right, he was hanging out with the taliban by choice and we should have just left them there.(fox news told me so)
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Here you go again. Have fun telling me what I didn't just
Jun 4, 2014, 1:23 PM
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say. Typical, again.
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Re: Here you go again. Have fun telling me what I didn't just
Jun 4, 2014, 1:27 PM
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uh, you win the limbo contest, never have I seen the bar set this low before on the right.
Congrats.
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Re: this Dianne Feinstein lady seems pretty mad about it
Jun 4, 2014, 1:32 PM
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it is not like she is facing a primary challenge this fall.
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Oh....so she's lying?
Jun 4, 2014, 1:49 PM
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Typical libbie dem....no principles...
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They know no other way. The fact that they do can not see
Jun 4, 2014, 4:35 PM
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the black and white lines here is indicative of the mental fog they operate within.
All that matters is 1) getting elected/reelected 2) maximizing their power and financial opportunities while in office and 3) driving a global egalitarian agenda that would eliminate greatness, competition and winners.
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Re: Mr. Tbalm, you and I disagree on most things but I still
Jun 4, 2014, 1:32 PM
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respect your opinion. I may not agree with it but that is what good debate is all about. In this instance, the evidence is there (Army report in 2010, disgruntled emails, Bergdahl's own comments) that Bergdahl was a deserter. Captured? Perhaps, but only because he left his post and created the situation himself. But it is indisputable that significant efforts went into finding a guy that apparently didn't want to be found. My disgust is that the WH will disparage anyone that disagrees with their line of bull sh*t. The use of the term "swift boating" by the WH demeans what sacrifices were made by the same men who tried to find this guy.
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first, the white house never used the term swift boating.
Jun 4, 2014, 1:34 PM
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second, we do not leave our soldiers behind and are innocent until proven guilty, At least that is the America I grew up in.
I find it down right scary how quickly some of you would turn on our principles to prove a political point.
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Not sure politics crossed the minds of the "swift boaters"
Jun 4, 2014, 1:41 PM
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when they were sent out to try and find Bergdahl.
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Re: Not sure politics crossed the minds of the "swift boaters"
Jun 4, 2014, 1:43 PM
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the white house never used the term swift boat, which is the entire premise of your post.
invalid.
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What I find down right scary, is how some of you people
Jun 4, 2014, 1:44 PM
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back every action of this obviously corrupt, lying President. Every action goes unquestioned with you people, every screw up excused. At what point do some of you pull your heads out of your ##### and realize how utterly incompetent and criminal this administration is? I suppose never, but whether you wake up to it or not, your Messiah has not turned out as expected.
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Balm will never admit that this prez
Jun 4, 2014, 1:48 PM
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Is an utterly fuqqing screw-up.
They all have their heads in sand...
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If you can't understand why there's a controversy over this
Jun 4, 2014, 1:53 PM
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please stop voting, and don't reproduce. Can you name one thing you don't agree with Obama on? I'd bet not.
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Re: If you can't understand why there's a controversy over this
Jun 4, 2014, 2:03 PM
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settle down, I am not getting personal with you, just stating my opinion.
as far as where I have disagreed with him, drone policy, stance on death penalty, not prosecuting a single person on wall street, not getting us out of Afghanistan sooner, doing nothing about our war on drugs, and so on.
I just dont jump onto yoru Obama bashing parties, which get old and tired, so therefore I agree with him on everything?
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The opposite is true with some people as well, yes?
Jun 4, 2014, 2:37 PM
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They only see Obama as incompetent and criminal and everything he does or says has to be ridiculed and demonized?
I'm pretty sure History will be pretty ambivalent about Obama's presidency, with the strongest word to describe his 8 years being, "meh." But he's far from the messiah or the devil both sides portray him to be.
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absolutely.***
Jun 4, 2014, 2:41 PM
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Well, he's proven himself to be incompetent, and in this
Jun 4, 2014, 2:41 PM
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case criminal. Not to mention the array of other lies he's spewed throughout the years. I guess some of you don't get to see first hand all of the regulations that have rolled out under his watch, either. I don't think he'll be remembered as "meh", I think he'll be remembered as a terrible President, and rightly so.
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Incompetent and lies? You mean a politican?
Jun 4, 2014, 2:54 PM
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Every president of the modern era fits that description in some way and Obama is no different. In other words, what you call incompetent and lying, most call being President of The United States.
We both are pretty young (you being early 20s, and I'm 30) so really I only have Clinton and Dubya as real world comparisons and you probably only Dubya, but that should be more than enough to see that Obama hasn't been any worse than those two guys. Clinton had an obstructionist Congress, scandals, and some military engagements that were questioned. Dubya started 2 wars, a big medicare expansion, economy bust, etc...
So it's a bit hard to comprehend how Obama has done any worse than at least his two predecessors. His biggest legacy's will be getting Osama and Obamacare. And Obamacare was a compromise so even that will be fought over in terms of who gets credit/criticisms for it.
I just think your thinking is misplaced here.
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The same can be said for yours.
Jun 4, 2014, 2:56 PM
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juss sayin'
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Well sure, but just saying it would be a waste of time
Jun 4, 2014, 2:59 PM
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a reasoned rebuttal would be needed.
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Unfortunately, I'm no longer in my early 20's :(
Jun 4, 2014, 3:24 PM
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Obamacare is a disaster, and will continue to be, that won't bode well for his legacy. And Dubya didn't have Eric Holder, a man that I consider to be extremely dangerous to all of us.
Perhaps I don't remember, but I don't recall the previous administrations conducting themselves as this one has with the outright lying and deception.
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You don't remember
Jun 4, 2014, 3:50 PM
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They most certainly did. And when/if they weren't lying they were being incompetent (or at least seen by half the country as such, same with the lying).
As for Eric Holder, you don't remember Alberto Gonzales or Janet Reno? Both had very scandalous terms as AG. Again, Par for the course.
Now, that's not saying we should just accept the lying and incompetence but we should expect that it will happen. And acting like Obama is the first administration that has ever done either is ridiculous.
One of the biggest problems the right (and the left under bush) has is crying wolf so much that their complaints begin to be ignored. So when/if a true problem arises, it might get ignored or pushed aside. You do more harm than good by thinking everything the President does/says is the most evil thing ever done/said.
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I guess the hope and change just didn't pan out***
Jun 4, 2014, 4:09 PM
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it never does***
Jun 4, 2014, 5:58 PM
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What I find down right scary is how you and your's
Jun 4, 2014, 1:48 PM
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are so political that you will agree with whatever your party tells you. Obama: the sky is green/Tbalm: Sure is!
And you call the right sheep! lol
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Re: What I find down right scary is how you and your's
Jun 4, 2014, 1:49 PM
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I am not listening to any party, I am listening to reason.
We dont hang our own out to dry. It confounds me that we would even have to debate that principle.
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Reason? Negotiating with terrorists?
Jun 4, 2014, 1:53 PM
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Now every American soldier will be looked at as a possible trading pawn.
Thanks, Obummer!
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You don't think that was the case anyway
Jun 4, 2014, 6:31 PM
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Are you so stupid to think that now the Taliban will try and kidnap soldiers because of this, but before they would just let them go? The Taliban will take an American soldier if they can, that has been true from the very start and will be true to the very end.
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Re: What I find down right scary is how you and your's
Jun 4, 2014, 1:58 PM
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"Our own?" This guy is a deserter, who left his post and his fellow soldiers. He voluntarily deserted his unit. That is not "our own."
And then we traded 5 Gitmo detaniees (without following the law on notice of release) for a deserter. The numbers show that nearly 1/3 of those released from Gitmo go back to terrorist activities.
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Re: What I find down right scary is how you and your's
Jun 4, 2014, 2:04 PM
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we do not know that, it is all rumor.
innocent until proven guilty right?
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I made a mistake yesterday, I checked in on the P&R forum
Jun 4, 2014, 2:00 PM
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where this subject was being run through the Tea Party-like hate discussion. P&R is controlled by a small group of radicals now. This is the place for such discussions, I hate to see the lounge get involved.
Having written this, I will say that I disagree with you. This person should be assumed innocent unless investigated upon his release and found guilty of misconduct. Then he should be dealt with responsibly. The U. S. Army accepted this man, trained him, and promoted his to Sgt. He was assigned to a remote and dangerous area in Afghanistan. maybe he snapped and maybe he did not, but that is beside the point. He deserves a chance to explain himself.
Having been active in several military trials during my active duty in the army, I am convinced that this is the best route. Some of our military leaders think so also. Please keep politics out of the lounge, Thanks.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americas-top-military-official-gave-143649501.html
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Geechie I agree. BUT, lemme ask you this
Jun 4, 2014, 2:03 PM
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Is a 5-1 swap ok?
That's BS to me. I mean, if that's ok is 6 for 1 ok? What's the number? 20 for 1?
I'm sure we've traded POWs before but it seems to me like it wouldn't be a good practice, at least not 5-1.
1-1? Maybe.
Especially if we are taking the stand that we are trading 5 known killers or trainers of killers of Americans for 1 innocent freedom fighter.
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Re: Geechie I agree. BUT, lemme ask you this
Jun 4, 2014, 2:08 PM
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how about 5-0, because that is where we were going anyway.
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Re: Geechie I agree. BUT, lemme ask you this
Jun 4, 2014, 2:38 PM
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I guess I feel that 1 trained Arab killer (our man)
is worth a lot more than 5 trained American killers (the Arabs). We had the assistance of an Arab country in making this exchange, that is a good thing. Security will follow these dudes and we can be on the alert for them.
Also, the Arabs were probably treated better in captivity than our man was by the Arabs. Another point for America.
Thanks for not being hostile like the folks over on P&R.
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I'm not hostile, pretty apathetic about both parties
Jun 4, 2014, 2:48 PM
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but I really don't think a 5-1 swap is good.
Is a US citizen worth 5 arab killers. Yes IMO. But the value of the "trade" is bad in that those 5 are capable of killing thousands more.
AND I'm sure you can agree that, trial pending, the verdict is out on this guy.
BTW, "security" isn't following those guys. At least not closely. They went to Dubai then on back to Afganny to plot and train more.
Maybe it was the right thing to do, I don't know. But that guy ought to have his #### whupped if it's proven he's a deserter.
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Re: Geechie I agree. BUT, lemme ask you this
Jun 4, 2014, 2:44 PM
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I guess that I think that 1 American trained to kill Arabs is much better than 5 Arabs trained to kill Arabs. Besides, we had an Arab country cooperating with us in the exchange which is a good thing.
Maybe you are right, though. At least you were not as hostile as those folks over on P&R. Thanks
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Re: Okay, thats fair
Jun 4, 2014, 2:54 PM
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What if he gets jailed and then wants to have sex change surgery? What if he is acquitted and spends the rest of his life tracking down those killers? There are all kinds of fantasies that we could think of, but what's the point of worrying about it? Regards.
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The SGT Brody thing was a joke
Jun 4, 2014, 3:01 PM
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But if he is found guilty of going AWOL and running off, this trade, IMHO, is useless because there are 5 people out there that have been found guilty of killing innocent citizens and all we have to show for it is one coward.
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Technically
Jun 4, 2014, 3:53 PM
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The 5 guys we released were never charged with anything.
I'm not saying I would invite them to my next party, but they were not, convicted terrorists.
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Re: I made a mistake yesterday, I checked in on the P&R forum
Jun 4, 2014, 2:50 PM
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i agree that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty. He could be a head case for all we know. Yes, we needed to get him back, IF he even wanted to come back. I just disagree in the manner that we got him back....especially after men have died trying to get him.
It will all get fleshed out, unless it's all redacted and stonewalled in hearings for years on end.
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