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Playoffs are decided ON THE FIELD.

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 10:15 AM
 

What we have currently is a playoff in name only. It's not an actual playoff. It's an invitational...an invitational with no standard objectivity whatsoever. This committee can literally do whatever they want, and it's obvious that they do exactly that each and every week. If I were PJ Fleck, I would be livid...LIVID...that my undefeated team (that plays in the same conference as the #2 team with the same number of losses) was put at #8. What the h e l l sense does that make? Well, I'll tell you...it's what the committee wanted. Actual results be damned.

We need a playoff...a REAL playoff...one in which every team's participation is decided on the field. 6 teams or 8 teams, I really don't care which. But include each Power 5 conference champion, and develop a wildcard system (which is also decided on the field) to fill any remaining spots. For the people who say this would diminish the importance of the regular season...are you kidding me?!?! If anything (because of the goal of becoming a conference champion), it ENHANCES the regular season's importance. I really don't understand the argument to the contrary.

This CFP committee garbage is relentlessly unfair. "Eye test?" Really? Literally every single person in that boardroom could come away with a different opinion about a team after watching it's game on any given week. It's time to eliminate this subjective BS. "Well isn't that what the BCS was supposed to do?" Yes, but through the use of computers, formulas, and number crunching.

No subjectivity, no human bias, no computers, no formulas...just champions that are crowned by their results ON. THE. FIELD.

Why is this so hard? Literally every other league in the nation has figured this out. Why can't we?


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:02 PM
 

Committee been berry berry good to Clemson. And the Committee did not bury Minnesota so far down at the beginning of the season that it would take a miracle to get them into the top 4. That was the dumb AP and Coaches polls. I much prefer the Committee to the pollsters, who can also vote any way they want, without having to explain a darn thing. At least the Committee has to explain its choices. I wish the rankings in August and September didn't mean anything. No rankings until mid-October, after everyone has played 1/2 a season.


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:05 PM
 

Also, if it's just conference champions, would it only be based on conference games, making out of conference match ups irrelevant?


It would absolutely diminish the regular season.


Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:11 PM
 

Out of conference games wouldn't mean a thing, and teams that clinch early (i.e. Clemson) wouldn't be playing their starters against Wake and Scar.

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Maybe.. that is the common theory..

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:56 PM
 

But..I won't agree until you show me a championship calibre team that didn't mind losing.

It may not mean anything in getting to the playoff...but they do mean something.

Also.. clemson's OOC games this year don't seem to mean anything..so what's the diff?


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 2:55 PM
 



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Re: Playoffs are decided ON THE FIELD.

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 1:04 PM
 

It would enhance the regular season if you went by overall record like the NFL does and forced teams to schedule only P5 teams. Let teams have a couple preseason games against FCS/G5 schools so they would still get their money.

That would make too much sense though.

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The problem(s) with that....


Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:23 PM
 

At some point you have to have a way to determine who gets in....if there are any ‘wildcards’...it is still subjective.
As far as conference championships go...
The thought of some team like UVA winning one conference championship game and getting in to a playoff game with 3 losses (or more) isn’t exactly the best idea....does that really help? Or someone clinches a conference championship game slot early, like us, and then sits starters out a few games, because they can.
Right now the rankings don’t mean anything except ratings for espn. Minnesota could care less about being top 4 TODAY. But if they win out, they’ll be there and will care very much about it at that point. I think they release these polls too early....they should hold them until Thanksgiving....much would be sorted out by then.
By the end of the season, there are very few undefeated, or even 1-loss teams. It’s hard to do. That’s why I think 4 is fine...and everyone else can enjoy their bowl game.
Ultimately if you want to be ‘invited’, then win your games. That goes for Bama and anyone else that is setting themselves up to whine.


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:48 PM
 

I'm okay with resting starters after you clinch. I'm also ok with "meaningless" OOC games. The "meaningful" OOC games will come in the playoffs. My main concerns are eliminating team/conference bias (all biases for that matter), determining a fair playoff bracket built by on-field results ONLY, and giving every team that wins their league a shot at the big prize.


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:54 PM
 

I'm also ok awarding a playoff seed to a team with multiple losses. If they're in the playoff, that means they played their best when it mattered most. Other teams had a chance to beat them in the moment, but they didn't. And who made it a rule that a playoff team can't have more than a certain amount of losses? That's crap. The NFL champion has multiple losses almost every year.

If you earn your conference trophy, you deserve to play for the big prize, period. The playoff will weed out the teams that aren't good enough to win it all...and here's the best part...it will be done ON THE FIELD!!


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 12:58 PM
 

I dislike what they are doing to Minnesota, I think they should be 4 no doubt. Wins and losses should matter, but in the end, they win out they will be in so not a huge issue.

I used to be in the 8 team playoff camp as well, but watching them since their inception in CFB. Usually there is only one or two dominant teams a year. The first round hasn’t been competitive imo. I worry if you add more games, they won’t be great to watch and potentially just add more workload on the players. But I do think you will eventually get your wish of an 8 team playoff soon as the media is pushing for that.


Keep it at 4. Going to 8 only changes where the whining

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 1:01 PM
 

begins. Make it conference champs or non-champs with fewer losses than the conference champs. That way if Pitt had beat us last year, they would not have gone. But if all the conference champs have 0 or 1 loss, then all 4 would be conference champs.

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 1:06 PM
 

The problem I think is college football fans are to used to whining and arguing about who should be in because of the system we have.

If a playoff was set and the criteria for making that playoff was totally objective and determined by on the field results the whining would stop. Your team would either make it or not.

You don't hear all this conference and SOS and eye test BS in other sports. They just talk about the game.

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 1:11 PM
 

in the playoff I propose, there would be no whining because there would be no biased committee to whine about. Whining goes away when playoff brackets are built by results on the field.

You don't hear NFL teams whine (except maybe about legitimately terrible officiating) when they don't make the playoffs.


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 1:02 PM
 

Agree 100%.

The fact that every other sport known to man uses a legitimate playoff should be enough for the people in charge to say what the #### are we doing and change it.

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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 1:24 PM
 

All playoffs are invitationals because there are no playoffs where every team in an entire league is invited.

Even if you say just conference champions then you are choosing to invite only conference champions.

Whether you want the playoff to expand or not, trying to call it an invitational in a negative way is a poor choice of words.

Also you suggested a wild card scenario.

It's impossible to only use on-field results to settle a wild card dispute when you are either using 130 (all FBS) or 64 (only power 5) teams. When NFL and MLB have wild cards, it is with smaller leagues and more games to help determine head to head matchups.

Finally, PJ Fleck should be perfectly happy where he is. He was shown by the committee that big wins will move him up. He has 3 ranked teams left on his schedule if he keeps winning. The final team will likely be #2 in the country in OSU for the BIG10 title game. Win out and he is in. The rankings mean nothing in mid-November.


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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 3:09 PM
 

I really don't get what all the fuss is about. Minnesota might be annoyed with their current ranking, but 2 things about that. 1) How about going out and scheduling someone OOC other than Georgia Southern, Fresno State, and South Dakota State? 2) If they finish up at 13-0 then they'll be in the top 4 at the end anyway so why on earth do we need to expand the playoffs based on their current ranking with 3 games remaining(4 counting the conference championship for them.)?

In what season has a team ranked outside of the top 4 really been screwed over? As recent as 2 years ago the #5 team was Ohio State who had 2 blowout losses. Last year the #5 team was a 2 loss Georgia team. What's not fair about that? They had their chance to earn it on the field by not losing twice.

This season the PAC 12 will likely get in with the winner of Oregon and Utah assuming they don't lose any other games, and the winner of that game will have a loss, and the loser will have 2. If Minnesota doesn't get it then it'll be the result of losing 1 or more games, and the same is true for Ohio State. Penn State probably even still has a chance after losing to Minnesota. If Georgia doesn't get it then it'll be the result of losing at least one more game. If LSU doesn't get it then it'll be the result of losing 1 or 2 games. If Alabama doesn't get it then it'll be the result of losing a home game to LSU. What team isn't getting the chance to earn it on the field?


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