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Topic: Major Kudos to SC's DHEC and, ahem, (SCar), for
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Major Kudos to SC's DHEC and, ahem, (SCar), for

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 7:41 PM
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rolling out a statewide random sample testing program for Covid.

This will contribute tremendously to providing a shared understanding of its spread and effects in our state, quell debate on severity and impact, and help us all work together better to either mitigate or move beyond.

https://www.abccolumbia.com/2020/10/22/dhec-uofsc-team-up-on-a-targeted-testing-approach-to-better-understand-community-spread-of-covid-19/


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yay govt?***


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 7:43 PM
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Re: Major Kudos to SC's DHEC and, ahem, (SCar), for

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 7:49 PM
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Yeah no.***


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 7:58 PM
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Wow. Imagine that. Random testing for covid to see how

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 7:59 PM
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widespread it is, the percentage of asymptomatic people, and the number of people with antibodies. Who came up with this amazing, groundbreaking idea?

This is what SHOULD have been done by every state, and the CDC nationwide, in a coordinated, national testing scheme to begin to have a clue about the virus.

Are there 3 or 4 cases for every one recorded, or 9 or 10? Have 10% or 35% of people been exposed? These are very easy things to pin down, and could have been pinned down by now.

But kudos, I guess for finally doing the obvious.

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Is this for SPLOST dollars?***


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:00 PM
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Then what are you gonna do?***


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Know if we can open up fully?

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:04 PM
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If 40-50% of people have antibodies, we can reopen. If 10% have antibodies, then we need to figure out a long term plan. Some counties in SC have 5%+ of the population with recorded infections. If there's 10 cases for every one reported, those counties are at or close to herd immunity. If those 5% counties have 10% or 20% with antibodies, then there are not 9 cases per reported case and we have a long way to go.

That's what.

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Re: Know if we can open up fully?


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:08 PM
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what is still closed?

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Oddly enough, government. Buildings, courthouses, libraries

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:34 PM
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And that's totally random and hit and miss. Courthouses are open for court, trials, etc. Closed otherwise to the public. Others are open fully. Some are closed to everyone unless they have appointments. Aiken County Family Court is open to obtain records, but the probate court, in the SAME COURTHOUSE building, is closed to the public. You can't set foot in the Florence County Courthouse without an appointment. Greenville is wide open. Masks are mandated in all state courthouses and temperatures must be checked because the Supreme Court ordered it. Law firms are working remotely, some are not.

But we can all go to 5 points and get drunk in a bar no problem.....

Oh, and the tax assessor's offices are ALL OPEN, of course.

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Re: Oddly enough, government. Buildings, courthouses, libraries


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:49 PM
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gubmint being closed kinda excites me

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Re: Oddly enough, government. Buildings, courthouses, libraries


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:52 PM
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i kinda like the DMV appointment system

if you want great service at a DMV, give McCormick County a whack, knowledgeable and professional when they take your money

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Re: Oddly enough, government. Buildings, courthouses, libraries


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:55 PM
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I don’t see a lot of that changing any time soon. A lot of these places have figured out or at least they think that their employees can work just as well from home. Like you said there’s no consistency either. Restaurants, Walmart’s and Lowe’s are all packed. Government’s always going to be the worst as they don’t have really any incentive like business owners do to actually show up in person. As long as there’s the chance of just one overweight old employee dying from COVID, they will stay shut as much as possible.

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Re: Know if we can open up fully?


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:09 PM
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The science says herd immunity doesn’t exist with this. Any immunity at all may only last a few months. I know personally of people who have had it and tested negative later for antibodies.

I thought maybe that was why cases had declined over the summer in Greenville and Horry counties. However both are seeing an uptick again, especially the Upstate. So it’s looking like it might be wishful thinking.

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So you're off the herd immunity bandwagon now?


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 9:28 PM
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You were preaching it a while back. Herd immunity WAS the science, in your own words. Now it isn't?

I mean I've been wrong about everything, I know.

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Re: So you're off the herd immunity bandwagon now?


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 9:41 PM
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As I just stated, the evidence for immunity is very limited right now. There’s some belief that there may be immunity for a few months as well as some existing T-Cell immunity. None of that has been proven. Idk why it hasn’t. They’ve had millions of cases in the world as well as most of a year now. The science is crap. It’s almost like they’re going out of their way to not figure some of this stuff out. It’s pretty straightforward.

I was hoping immunity was an explanation for Sweden’s success as well as some of the US states that stayed more open. It appears that isn’t the case, or if there was immunity, it didn’t last long.

I know one thing I am NOT in favor of...that’s big brother invading everyone’s privacy and limiting rights over a disease that’s just not that lethal. If they try to come in heavy handed with these contact tracing teams and stuff, there are going to be problems. This isn’t MERS or Ebola. They need to quit acting like it is.

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The science is being hidden.

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 10:19 PM
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And probably for a good reason. I said aerosol transmission was proven back in May in several studies. The WHO even held off admitting that until August. Then the CDC released the same info and Trump made them remove it in September. CDC later snuck that information out again when Trump was in the hospital on October 5. Aerosol transmission was proven on the cruise ship in Japan. In a Chinese restaurant back in February. At a church choir practice in the US even in like April or March. On US aircraft carriers. On other cruise ships. In nursing homes. In hospitals even.

Here's what should have happened, ideally in May or June. CDC allocates a couple of million tests and sends them to the states. They ask each state to do what DHEC is just now doing. Do random antibody and PCR tests, totally randomly, spread in geographic regions within each state, in both urban, suburban, and rural areas. Each state crunches the results themselves and send their data back to the CDC. The CDC then can use that to model where we stand, and what we have left to endure.

I will go ahead and tell you what the data will show. We have the worlds highest testing levels. As such, we're finding more than other countries in terms of positive tests as a percentage of all cases. In other countries with less testing, they have seen areas with rates of 2% positive cases equates to 15-20% of people showing antibodies. But since we test more than these other countries, 2% per 100K here means the percentage with antibodies will be lower. I'd expect our hardest hit counties that have 5% of the population having tested positive, in those counties you may find 25%, maybe 30% tops of people have antibodies. Could be lower. But the real number of cases per positive result is more along the lines of 4-5 and not 9.

ALSO, to get to "herd immunity" with this, you need roughly 60% of people to have antibodies in rural areas, and up to 80% of people need them in urban areas to stop the spread. Best case scenario is in SC's hardest hit rural counties, we're half way to herd immunity. That's a best case scenario. If you follow the science on this, you start to wonder, where IS the science on this. Well, it's out there in other countries. What DHEC is doing now in October is day 1 common sense stuff. We already know the answers, I promise you Trump does. And he doesn't like it, so he ignores it and prevents the information from being made public. Many other countries are doing this too, and probably for good reason. But by DHEC choosing to do this now, I think that indicates they know what's ahead. I know they know. But by doing this now, they can pretend to just learn about it.

Only thing I care about is hospitals not reaching capacity to treat people. Anything less than that, like right now (in SC), is fine. And if people just continue to use modest precautions and wear masks, they likely will not reach capacity here again. No need to shut down. Expect a shutdown of hospital data again if things get bad though, like at the height of the cases in the summer. That's our leadership at work.

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Re: The science is being hidden.


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 11:22 PM
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Idk why you keep talking about a shutdown of hospital data. I told you already that new system they went to had far more detailed info that was relevant for COVID purposes. The old system did not differentiate some things enough or if it did, DHEC wasn’t reporting it. It didn’t do that because they haven’t had to break down hospital and ICU beds and ventilators by a specific disease before.

I can vouch for the fact that hospital occupancy went down at the same time they reported it. I get a firsthand account of everything that’s going on with that. We’re now in the low 700’s and trending down, off of a high of 1,725 just a few months ago.

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Re: Wow. Imagine that. Random testing for covid to see how


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:11 PM
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That would have required acknowledging its potential threat and then having to put oneself in a position of responsibility to implement a response mechanism.

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Re: Wow. Imagine that. Random testing for covid to see how


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:15 PM
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Again, what are you going to do with that info? Do you just want to be able to count cases? Hospitalizations and deaths don’t lie and we know those are declining in SC.

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Re: Wow. Imagine that. Random testing for covid to see how


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:21 PM
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You inform the public, those people that go out and fuel the economy, because you've put into objective perspective the spread and lethality in your community. I much prefer making decisions based on verified data versus conjecture.

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Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 8:29 PM
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As far as I can see, the only people not going out right now might be Dems. Come on out. There’s a whole world out there.

We already know this virus isn’t lethal for 99% or more of most of the population. If people can’t come out with those numbers, there isn’t much hope for them. They have allowed the MSM to turn this into something it isn’t.

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The better/more metrics, the better IMO


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 9:02 PM
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My company and those with which we do business have very specific guidelines with regard to reopening specific offices in certain counties...i.e. number of positives per 100,000, etc.


Re: Wow. Imagine that. Random testing for covid to see how


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 9:22 PM
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You are arguing for ignorance, on top of blanket tribal nonsense on the rest as far as participation in the economy being political. Don't be afraid of methodical science at work. Where would T-Net be without it.

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Re: Wow. Imagine that. Random testing for covid to see how


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 9:31 PM
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I’m saying you’re arguing for useless bs and government intervention that won’t change a thing. Some of you seem to love having that gubmint telling you how to live your life. For the record, I’m not getting a test if I get a blue envelope. They can shove it.

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And this is why we burn.


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 10:41 PM
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Reminds me of the lady who stopped Saturday morning in front of the bank deposit drop box and then spent literally 7 minutes filling out her slip as I waited behind her. I went ahead and wrote out my slip before even leaving the house, and placed it in an envelope, so as to not delay people having to wait on me. I eventually got out, walked right next to her car, and dropped my deposit in the box while she continued to fill out her slip. Then drove off. What can you do.

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Are you aware of the word “smug“?


Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 11:12 AM
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look it up. I think your pic might appear.

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This virus is lethal for 3% of people who test positive


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 10:36 PM
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for it.

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...and that doesn't count for the as yet to be determined


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 10:52 PM
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residual pulmonary/cardio problems... They've been discussed but never satisfactorily addressed.

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Re: This virus is lethal for 3% of people who test positive


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 11:09 PM
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87% of the deaths in SC have been people 61+. THAT’S who it’s lethal for.

As of yesterday, there were 23,091 cases in SC in the 51-60 age group. In that same age group, there were 1,626 hospitalizations (7%) and 325 deaths (1.4%). That’s of the people that were tested. If you factor in the untested, the hospitalizations and deaths percentages go down by a factor of 7-10.

These are the CDC survivability rates:

0–19. 99.997%
20-49. 99.98%
50-69. 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

Average and median ages of death from COVID in SC are 75 and 77. Normal life expectancy in SC is 76.95.

Excess deaths peaked this summer in SC and are approaching zero now. Nationally we’re going below zero.

In the past two weeks in Richland County only 15.1% of the reported cases have been people 61 or older. 21.2% of the cases are people 21-30....probably mostly students. Nothing is happening to them.

Just doing some math....there were 1,027 reported cases in the past two weeks in Richland County. That’s the amount of time you’re told to quarantine and most aren’t contagious after 10 days. So even if you multiply that amount by 7, that’s 7,189 potential cases. In a county of 415,000 people that’s about 2 people per 100 with the virus. Then, those people have to be out and about. Most are likely home quarantined or hospitalized. If you run into one, you have to be within 6 ft for 15 mins or more. Then, if you happen to get it, you have the survivability odds above.

It’s crazy how much handwringing is going on over this. It’s because people are not informed about the actual stats and the media does a poor job of accurately portraying what’s going on.

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Re: How does survivability rate impact my post above...?***


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 11:58 PM
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No idea. I know a lot of people who have had it. 2 deaths. Both were old and in bad condition. The rest are all fine with zero problems.

A lot of viruses like, Epstein-Barr, cause lingering health effects.

The media love to tell you about the guy that got a blood clot and died later.

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who are we supposed to be modeling our response after?


Posted: Oct 25, 2020, 10:47 PM
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https://bing.com/covid/local/germany


https://bing.com/covid/local/france


https://bing.com/covid/local/spain


https://bing.com/covid/local/italy


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Re: who are we supposed to be modeling our response after?


Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 10:27 AM
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Is it too much to ask for us to have led on this? I mean, we're the #1 economy with the #1 technology and medical industries, on top of significant resources invested through the years in public agencies armed to assist with just this very thing. If you deny it, however, and work to suppress the truth around it, how can any of this be utilized effectively?

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The more information, the better...


Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 6:35 AM
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I see some arguments about "privacy" above. That's complete hogwash. No one is going to force anyone to get tested. You don't even have to open the letter in the mail.


Re: The more information, the better...


Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 10:57 AM
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The privacy doesn’t have to do with these tests. It’s the slippery slope though. What other disease do people have to take actions and be tested who aren’t even sick?

Biden tends to favor a more heavy-handed, federal government-centric approach. He talks about national “mandates” and contract tracing teams. In some of the Asian countries that people seem to worship so much on here, they have been very heavy-handed. Forced public temperature checks (which aren’t even very accurate), quarantine hotels, and apps that basically track everywhere you go. In China, you can’t even enter a grocery store unless an app gives you a green light. People that disobey get hauled off to jail or worse.

The contact tracing is the real privacy invasion. That’s the government basically collecting info about everywhere you’ve been and who you’ve been in contact with.

This disease just isn’t that deadly to warrant all of that, even though I think some in here have been convinced that it is.

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So you have a problem, not with this testing program,


Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 11:06 AM
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but with a bunch of stuff unrelated to this testing program. OK.


if you’ve ever been tested (properly) for it


Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 11:17 AM
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Ain’t no way you’re gonna go hop in your car and let someone biopsy your brain with a q-tip if you aren’t feeling bad.

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8 times now brother.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2020, 11:45 AM
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My nose is going to be leather.

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