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Golic Jr. says Clemson left its starters in late trying to


Nov 12, 2019, 8:44 AM
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Run up the score on NC State. For Pete's sake do these hacks do any research besides looking at a box score? He was interviewing Sammich Dinich and of course she brings up UNC. It's clear that even if the Tigers go on to win the NC again they will still be judged off that game...smh.

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:46 AM
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Nov 12, 2019, 10:41 AM
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to the other top 5 or 10 in minutes that starters played in the second half.

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That's true. They just


Nov 12, 2019, 12:38 PM
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read their talking points given to them by their handlers.

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:50 AM
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Youre too sensitive. If we win it all nothing else matters. Also, Golic jr js great and generally knows his stuff. He and his dad are awesome.

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I don't think "awesome" means what you think it means***

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:51 AM
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Re: I don't think "awesome" means what you think it means***

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:59 AM
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I always get confused when to use that word. I was trying to sound smart. Thanks for correcting me.

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Dad is great,Jr still learning

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:52 AM
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Making that remark proves he's boxscore looking.

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:58 AM
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He's getting that from other hacks at ESPiN. They are not doing ANY homework, just trying to slam Clemson any way they can. They don't want Clemson there.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:00 AM
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The Golics aren't on the Joel Klatt level but i wouldn't call them awesome either.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:25 AM
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You cant tell me they wouldnt be awesome to drink with?

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Nov 12, 2019, 7:19 PM
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Maybe if they were buying and brought a couple of hot, smart women with them. Football smart.

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Nov 12, 2019, 12:01 PM
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I have to say though, Klatt at least does back up his opinions with facts, data, and reasoning all lost all of the time. For that, I respect his opinions and pieces.I fully understand that he’s not an ACC pumper, so no one likes him here. FWIW he said during a game that there are a small handful of teams that NFL scouts could come pick from just those rosters and make great picks. No named Ohio state, Clemson, and Alabama. He does respect Clemson.

It’s crap like what Golic said that I don’t support. If he thinks that Clemson left starters in, he flat out didn’t watch the game or even check plays. THAT is an idiotic statement.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:15 AM
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neither seems to grasp how many times we've beaten ND. both try to act like it has never happened.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:22 AM
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Can't stand jr. Has such a whiny voice and is always trying to sound smarter than he is. Unbearable to listen to.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:51 AM
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Can't stand him? That sounds serious.

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Nov 12, 2019, 7:20 PM
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That's awesome!!!!

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:53 AM
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So it's normal for Dabo to still have our starters in during a 42-0 game? Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'd say that was an obvious response to the playoff rankings.

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:55 AM
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Golic is a ND homer and NFL failure. He likes to throw stones and is probably leaked off that his Irish can't beat Clemson.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:01 AM
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I disagree. I listen to at least part of the show each morning. Yeah he's an admitted ND homer, but he's always come across as one of the most fair personalities on any network IMO. Those guys have always shown Dabo a ton of love. I heard them make the comment this morning about the NC State game, and I didn't take it as them calling it a negative thing at all. They were really just saying that Dabo left the starters in a bit longer than normal due to the ranking at #5. I don't see the problem with that statement, or where it's not true.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:09 AM
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Come'on that was directly related to that last TD from my perspective. Any way you slice it it's an incorrect statement. Just tells me he did no homework.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:27 AM
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I'm sure he knew we didn't have the starters in on the final score, and he'd know that even if he were only box score watching. To that point though, I can see how someone would view that last score as gaining style points as well.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:37 AM
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Might be giving him too much credit to know that ET is the starter.

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It isnt true, starters always play a few series of 2nd half

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:11 AM
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It is very rare for Dabo, or any coach for that matter, to not aleast play starters a series or 2 to start the second half regardless of score.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:47 AM
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Yep..Golic Jr. is usually very good and fair. I will add part of the reason alot of starters played well into the 4th quarter on and off (and even on the last defensive series) is bc it was a road game and numbers are limited. Also, we travel some guys who are Freshman that we plan to RS but still travel to play in an emergency, therefore limiting the number of guys actually available.

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Nov 12, 2019, 8:57 AM
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We usually give the starters the first series of the 2nd half, which is exactly what we did Saturday night.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:10 AM
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We haven't been up 42-0 at halftime very often though. It just usually seems that Dabo has at least the offensive starters out by the time the lead is that high. I don't have any problem with it for the record, but I do think Dabo was trying to make a statement. I would take issue with anyone getting angry over us having the guys out there in the 3rd, but I don't take issue with someone simply pointing out that we were trying to make a statement.

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Interesting take

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:18 AM
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So rather than assuming that Dabo did what he usually seems to do against FBS teams and gave the starters the first drive of the second half (especially on the road, where he doesn't have the full over-100 players to fit in the rotation), you assume he changed his behavior by doing exactly that?

I think perhaps the answer is simple. He did what he normally does. We just scored more points in the first half then we sometimes do.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:31 AM
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Looking back there isn't a lot of data from games where we were up by that many points at the half to tell so I'll concede that it wasn't out of the ordinary. In any case, my main point only was that the comment wasn't made in an attempt to trash us, or view us in any sort of negative way so I'm not getting what all the fuss is about here.

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I'm certainly not upset about it

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:37 AM
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But it's just not factual. It paints a picture of Dabo changing his methods out of some sense of desperation to appease the CFP committee.

It would be the same as one of the talking heads complaining about Ohio State's onside kick by saying "They must really be wanting to stay on top of the CFP poll if they ran an onside kick in a game where they scored 70 points" all the while ignoring the fact that it was 14-0 in the first quarter when they ran it.

Those sort of comments drive a narrative that give the talking heads something to talk about, but end up painting a picture of people/teams which is based on a decidedly skewed perspective on reality.

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Go back and look at the 56-7 game.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:22 AM
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Up 42-7 early third quarter, *exactly* like Saturday...who was in the game?

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:27 AM
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We were up 42-0 at the half last week against Wofford and the 1's still got the first series of the second half.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:16 AM
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It was 42-0 in the 2nd quarter.
Starters need their reps.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:36 AM
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Yes it is normal for our starters to play the first drive of the second half.

I realize it seems weird that our first offensive drive ended with around 6:00 left in the third, but that is what happened.

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Extremely normal. Unless it’s a FCS opponent, coaches almost never

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Nov 12, 2019, 10:14 AM
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pull their starters until after one drive in the second half, which is what we did. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and anyone who tries to say otherwise is just trying to create a story where there isn’t one.

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It’s normal to substitute more in a blowout


Nov 13, 2019, 1:35 AM
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You don’t put in all backups until the very end. Backups need xp playing with starters and vice versa.

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If dabo had pulled them early..and NC state

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:00 AM
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Scored .. the narrative would be "clemson struggled with NC state". Disney's agenda has been set. Tow the boat.

You can't win with these moomoos.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:05 AM
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Did you listen to the comments? He was just saying that Dabo left the guys in as a response to the #5 ranking. He didn't say there was anything wrong with it. If anything I took it as a "now we have an angry Clemson team" sort of statement.

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You mean there is nothing wrong with it OTHER


Nov 12, 2019, 9:18 AM
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Than it being complete BS?

How the heck does Daddy 's boy know what dabo was thinking? Did Dabo call him?

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Nov 12, 2019, 11:41 AM
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Again ..... Golic was wrong, whether he was dissing us or not. Dabo had planned on playing the starters the first series of the second half before the game ever started. It had nothing to do with the #5 ranking. If the game had been closer, he may have left them in longer.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:06 AM
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Armchair quarterbacks and armchair coaches, that’s what these talking heads are. Some are also Bama and Ohio State cheerleaders.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:06 AM
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Armchair quarterbacks and armchair coaches, that’s what these talking heads are. Some are also Bama and Ohio State cheerleaders.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:07 AM
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Golic Jr clearly hasn't watched any other Clemson games this year. Nor has he been following how Dabo and the staff have managed blowouts the past several years. He is just another, among the many, talking heads who have not completely done their homework when talking about Clemson.

It's nothing new that Dabo and Clemson are doing this season. They are looking for a narrative to push, a negative one at that. Earlier in the season, it was Dabo and Clemson wasn't winning big and pretty enough. They played to many players. Now it is the opposite. Dabo and the Tigers are trying to run the score up in order to look pretty winning.

Dabo and Clemosn have been doing the same thing all season long. The only thing that has changed in regards to the Tigers, is the national media's perspective and narrative that they are trying to shove down the throats of the college football fans.

It doesn't matter what they think or say. Keep the hammer down and keep winning Tigers!

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:15 AM
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If nothing has changed then why did Dabo take out the starters early in the 2nd quarter against Charlotte, but left them in until midway through the 3rd against Wofford?

Again, I have no problem with doing it, and I'm all for keeping the guys sharp for the remaining season. However, it's hard for me to believe Lawrence would've been in either of the last two games with us up 42-0 in the 3rd had we been ranked #1 with the narrative centered around us being a lock at #1 as long as we keep winning.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:28 AM
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Against Wofford he gave the starters the first drive of the second half. Just like against the Wolfpack.

Against Charlotte, he started the rotation a bit earlier. Who knows why, but the timing doesn't fit Golic's "He's just doing it in response to the CFP poll" narrative. My guess is he knew he had likely the toughest road game on our schedule the next week, and started the rotation a bit earlier, but the point remains...

...throughout his tenure here, the general trend is that if the game is thoroughly out of hand at half time, the starters get a series in the third quarter and then the mass subs start.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:36 AM
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The substitution patterns might be different, but I dont think that the intent that the media is trying to push is there. I'm sure that Dabo and the staff doesn't have a set time that they start substituting the backups in and the starters out.

It depends on the flow of the game, the execution and focus of the starters on the feild. Dabo might leave the starters out for one or two more series longer than the previous blowout because he may feel that the starters were lacking focus on the previous drive or it could be from several different factors that we are not privy to.

It could be that Dabo just wants to run up the score, but that really goes against everything that he has done and that has not been in his nature of doing things. Though as I said, I could be wrong.

Also playing a role in the substitution patterns for Dabo and Clemson is the fact that it is late in the season and the Tigers might not have as many freshmen available to play in the four games and still available o redshirt. In other words, Dabo has already played the majority of the freshmen the four game limit already and doesn't have to start substituting as early in order to get those players on the feild.

The situation is different each and every game. The reasons are different for substituting as well. Dabo doesn't have a set substituting pattern. Like beginning to substitute at the 5:00 mark of the second quarter and then bringing in the third or fourth string at the 9:00 mark of the fourth.

Just because the patterns are different, doesn't imply that negative intentions are there. Dabo isn't the type to run the score up. He has a reputation as the opposite. It doesn't matter though. Clemson wins, they are in. The media pundits are just trying to stir the pot in order to get fans talking

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Maybe he saw enough from the team against


Nov 12, 2019, 9:45 AM
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Charlotte to pull the starters early.

I saw clemson come out ther gate charging in the 1st qrt then get off track the second. Maybe he wanted to see what team would show up in the 3rd? typically dabo doesn't pull starters until the 3rd qrt.

You use Charlotte as the norm..but from what I see it is the outlier..

I'm sure daddboy Golic hasn't watched enough clemson games to know john from jane.

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Oh but something has changed...

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:26 AM
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we've gotten better as the season has moved along...as usual.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:09 AM
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It has seemed to me that we have left the starters in longer the past few weeks as well, but I have a different take. First it was an away game. We don't get to take everybody on scholarship, much less the 113 or so guys on the team. I suppose we could cut back to 10 guys on the field per play, but as long as we put 11 out there somebody has to take the snaps and we only have so many guys.

Second, we need our starters to start preparing to take more snaps for games that they need to play the whole game. Game snaps are different from practice snaps, and fourth quarter snaps when you are tired are different from first quarter when you are fresh.

If a little part of Dabo wanted an extra score as well, then Golic can look in the mirror. The media and committee drove him to it.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:14 AM
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That sounds like what a Nortre Dame man would say! ??

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:25 AM
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there are always a starters in the rotations on defense and offense. Otherwise you end up with players that get used to playing with only the 2 deep or the 3 deep guys. I'd assume this promotes team cohesion. But we didn't play our full starting lineup late in the game? Whats he talking about? The 3rd Quarter? Brice came in the 3rd. These people are clowns. And that Golic Jr. is a poser. Watch him talk and over enunciate his phrases. Guy irks me just watching him talk. He overdoes it. Looks like a cartoon character OR a Saturday Night Live parody. I like Mike Sr. though. More down to earth.

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Nov 12, 2019, 9:26 AM
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Trying to walk that fine line of "how soon is too soon to put in the backups." I agree with keeping the starters in the first half at a minimum, even up 42-0. That huge deficit was mainly due to NCSU mistakes (fumbles).

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Boy Golic lives off dad’s name _ little unique or insightful***

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I agree with playing your starters into the 3rd quarter, no


Nov 12, 2019, 9:50 AM
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matter what the score is. (If The Tigers can score 42 points in 30 minutes, so can they.)

It seems like Dabo did pull TL in the 2nd quarter one time though. Was in against UNCC?

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Jr. just mad that we beat up on pore ole Irish...***


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I'm not saying Golic was right, because he wasn't, but


Nov 12, 2019, 10:17 AM
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y'all seem to expect national journalists and radio hosts to know details that only Clemson fans or beat reporters that watch nearly every minute of every game to know. And there are probably 50 other fanbases out there that expect the exact same thing. That's not possible. None of them can watch every minute of every game and I seriously doubt they are routinely watching massive blowouts.

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No, I don't expect that

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Nov 12, 2019, 10:33 AM
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But I do expect them to do a bit of research before trying to make a point.

And lets not pretend they don't have a staff of folks available to research anything they want prior to making the point on TV.

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If they say "starters in late in the game".they should know

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Nov 12, 2019, 10:44 AM
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at which point the starters were removed. 6 minutes left in the 3rd isn't late.

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They dont know that Dabo typically plays his starters


Nov 12, 2019, 11:34 AM
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1 possession in the 2nd half of blowouts. That's exactly the kind of thing that only somebody that follows the team closely would know and I've seen that referenced many times in this thread.

And honestly I dont know how long Ohio State or even Alabama play their starters in blowouts because I dont watch their games when they are out of hand and even if I did I dont know the names of all 22 of their starters to know when they are subbing like I do with Clemson. I know when the QB, RB, etc are out and thats about it. That gives me no reference point to compare them with Clemson.

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it's not hard to look at boxscores, i do it all the time


Nov 12, 2019, 12:38 PM
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and I have real job.

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ok, then he shouldn't say something that he hasn't verified


Nov 12, 2019, 12:37 PM
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come on man!

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I would love to see some of yall try that job***


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Nov 12, 2019, 5:34 PM
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the clip i saw had Pawl saying that while Golic Jr had his phone earbuds in. Does Pawl just go on every ESPN show now? are his 3 hours not enough for them?

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Nov 12, 2019, 10:06 PM
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Dabo plays his starters 1 or 2 drives after halftime when he has a good lead. It is because they want the team to come out and have the experience of keeping a good rhythm after halftime.Back when my son played. His high school coach use to do this when they were winning big and that was the reason.

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Nov 13, 2019, 1:58 AM
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Who cares dude. We are 10-0 with 5 more to win. Ignore the clickbait media.

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