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FSU has effectively entered

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:20 AM
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The Tommy West/Bowden years of it's football journey . Willie Taggart was a disastrous hire and they're so bad right now I can't imagine a worse scenario than keeping Taggart past the next game .
Now I don't suspect that they'll let him go in reality ...not this year anyway but why hang on to a guy with his record and with lots of good enough coaches out there that would kill to be coaching in Tallahassee ?

War Chant is on fire right now . It's a comedy fest over there . Lots of funny threads .

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We were never close to being that bad.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:25 AM
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But they certainly were frustrating years.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:27 AM
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I will allow it ;)

But inly because we never had their current level of talent on the roster . It's unacceptable to have that much firepower and be that awful .

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Has 1998 been wiped from your memory

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:30 AM
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We were WORSE.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:32 AM
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That was the year we went from Tommy Worst to Tommy Bow Down .

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We may have had a losing season in '98 but we were NEVER

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:51 AM
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worse than FSU is right now. Not since the late 60s/very early 70s, anyway. Tommy West took over a battered and bruised program. He may not have been Dabo but he was well liked and respected.

This FSU dumpster fire exists as it does because the players quit on Jimbo Fisher 2 years before he left. When that quitters mentality permeates a program it takes a special coach to bring it back and Taggart isn't that guy, obviously. They are in a very dark place from a team chemistry/psychology standpoint. Clemson was never on that level, ever.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:30 PM
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Good take .

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Jimbo quit on the players before they quit on him.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 5:59 PM
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I am convinced that within 72 hours of Texas A&M losing their opening game against UCLA (aTm led 44-10 late in the third and lost 45-44) Jimbo knew that the aTm job was his. He just had his agent, Jimmy Sexton, handle the details of what turned out to be a 75M contract.

Jimbo quit recruiting. He pulled his assistants off the recruiting trail. He quit on the team. Academics and anything related to discipline was dismissed as unnecessary.

Willie walked into a dumpster fire. And, it appears he can't put it out.


Good points all the way around and it further solidifies my


Posted: Sep 23, 2019 10:44 AM
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stance that Jimbo was a disaster well before Taggart got there. I knew there was a lot of quitting going on but didn't know if the chicken or egg came first. Thanks for the insight.


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Posted: Sep 23, 2019 11:31 AM
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Sounds familiar....Spurrier and U5C

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Posted: Sep 23, 2019 11:38 AM
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Good recall on the UCLA comeback - they did it again over the weekend and was even more impressive by the numbers. 50 second half point to come back from down 35-17...

Go Tigers!!!

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Tommy West took over a program that recently won the ACC


Posted: Sep 23, 2019 1:14 PM
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and won 8 games the year he took over. Granted, recruiting had dipped under Hatfield compared to Ford, but we were not nearly as bad when West took over as we became a few years later. West was an awful hire. Hiring a guy because he was good 'ol boy who coached under Danny Ford is a horrible reason to hire someone.

I would take Hatfield any day over West, and it isn't even close. Nice guy or not, West wasn't ready for the job and our decline in the mid-late 90s was his fault way more than it was Hatfield's.

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Re: We were never close to being that bad.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:45 AM
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Which is the better indicator of the state of their program, the TE lining up backwards or Taggart defending him?

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Re: We were never close to being that bad.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:19 AM
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I'd like to see that.

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Re: We were never close to being that bad.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:45 AM
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Are you sure the TE was the one lined up backward? ;)


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:22 PM
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Yeah, I would have put money on the other 10 guys lining up backwards... he was just the one kid trying to turn the team around.


Re: We were never close to being that bad.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:03 AM
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Do you not remember 1998?


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:10 AM
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LMAO, I don't remember much about 2018. If we hadn't won the Natty, I would remember even less about 2018!!! :)

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Posted: Sep 23, 2019 11:25 AM
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Sure we were, in 98 we were lucky to win 3***

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:05 PM
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But also lost 4 others by one score

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:25 PM
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THat team was just offensively challenged and very un-clutch.

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actually not true

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 2:38 PM
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In 1998 we had two blowout losses, one 10 point loss but the rest were one possession game losses. 2 points, 7 points, 5 points, 7 points, 3 points


What?!! we were just as bad if not worse!

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:57 PM
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I was at the Clemson Chicken game where both teams only had 2 wins, and we tore down the goal posts after beating the chickens for our 3rd win of the year.


Re: What?!! we were just as bad if not worse!


Posted: Sep 20, 2019 6:29 PM
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#RivalryWinsMatter!

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LOL


Posted: Sep 20, 2019 5:43 PM
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####### lol

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:25 AM
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Chilling on the Potomac River , headed for Baltimore .
Going home o ernight ... Look Out James Island !!!!

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Nice levitation there.***

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:27 AM
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Re: Nice levitation there.***

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:28 AM
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Oops , I forgot the Spud rule .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:14 AM
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If you abide by the Spud Rule, you will need to rotate the pic 180 degrees. I've already developed a "lean to the left" angle to view his pics.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:40 AM
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I just hope that you don't have the need to show off your newly learned skill of left angle photography!!!:)

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If he rotates the pic 180

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 1:19 PM
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He'll be face down...and that will only need to more questions.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:29 AM
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Look at you man! ??

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Looks like an uphill battle.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:41 AM
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??

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Glad to see this is now the acceptable way to post pics***

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:29 AM
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Mo betta .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:21 AM
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betta

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:30 AM
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The Dugster!

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:32 PM
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That's better than Duggie Fresh ... I spose ;)

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 3:38 PM
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pure Gang-sta


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:32 AM
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With Willie Taggart's track record of being able to turn bad programs around, and with his record at FSU, this must/has to say that the ACC is a stronger conference than believe to be!!! What do say?

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:34 AM
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Hitting the Bloody Mary's a little hard for Brunch eh ?

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:35 AM
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Morning pain pills!!! :)

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In all seriousness, Taggart did have a really strong track

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:55 AM
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record of turning bad programs around. The question with him for me was always whether or not he could actually coach because his rebuilds generally took ~3 years and his teams often showed no progress or even regressed in year 1. In my opinion a coach that really knows how to coach football will have his team playing more competitive football in year 1 and will frequently make a big leap in year 2. That never happened under Taggart which led me to believe he was more of a program builder, recruiter, and culture type guy.

Now that can work at a high level, but it requires making good coordinator and assistant hires and possibly also some patience from the administration while the program goes through some growing pains. Thus far FSU has looked like a poorly coached team and there's already been a lot of shakeup on Taggart's staff. He's quickly running out of time to get it right because the product on the field has been so bad that everyone in Tallahassee is already running out of patience with him. It's still possible he would get things turned around in year 3 or so, but will he actually be given that much time. Probably not.. unless FSU starts to show improvement.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:44 AM
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From post I've read, they have completely ran out of everything for Willie, patience was at the beginning and that's long gone!!!

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Taggart did have a really strong track record????


Posted: Sep 23, 2019 2:30 PM
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Taggart posted a losing record at Western Ky. The coaches that followed him were Petrino and Brohm, two coaches with better reputations on the field. Was Western KY a Taggart turnaround? I think not. Was Taggart a great recruiter at Western Ky? I don't think so.

Taggart posted a losing record at South Florida. His final year he went 10-2 for really the only solid year he has had in a ten year career. And Taggart was preceded at USF by Skip Holtz and Jim Leavitt and he was succeed by Charlie Strong. Leavitt and Strong both posted significantly better records at USF than Taggart. So the only coach at USF to do worse than Taggart was Skip Holtz who was fired after two and a half seasons. BTW, Holtz has 200+ wins in his career, Leavitt built USF into a decent football school and Charlie Strong is generally well thought of a fine coach who did not succeed at Texas.

Taggart was at Oregon for one year. Was Oregon his turnaround team? Is FSU going to be a success?

I dunno about FSU, but I'm not riding the 'Taggart as a turnaround coaching artist' bandwagon. I think that Taggart's success in the past has been greatly puffed up. He may succeed at FSU, but I doubt it.

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Tommy Bowden would actually be an upgrade over Taggert

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:34 AM
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And that is saying a lot....


Re: Tommy Bowden would actually be an upgrade over Taggert

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:35 AM
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Well ... he's available since 2008 .
Wonder if he's checked his inbox ?

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Hes gonna have to hit the tanning bed... hard***

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Re: Tommy Bowden would actually be an upgrade over Taggert

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:37 AM
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Bet all the orange gear that you have, Daddy has told Tommy to stay away from FSU, and his meaning was, when they talked about the Bowden dynasty at FSU, he didn't want Tommy's failure attached to FSU!!!:)

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Who would they really go after?

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:38 AM
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Jeff Brohm and Matt Campbell have been two big up-and-coming guys but neither looks like they will have a great season.

I really doubt Urban Meyer would go there over USC if he does come out of retirement again.

I guess Josh Heupel is right down the road but I would feel better about hiring him if he keeps this up at UCF through 2020. Right now it's unclear how much is him and how much is still Scott Frost. He has done a good job maintaining that program thus far but I think another year and a half at UCF would be good before one of the top programs goes after him.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:42 AM
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Im sniffin' Lane Kiffin , the guy has a pedigree .

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That would be a great move for the rest of the ACC

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:43 AM
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Probably not so great for FSU. lol


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:01 AM
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And a Ton of baggage that FSU will accept to win!!!

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:44 AM
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I saw FSU beat Clemson about 55-0 at FSU back around 1992 or so. They were giving us a hard time the whole game. I told 2 of the mouthiest fans behind us that their run would not last forever. I told them to remember this day and how they treated the Clemson fans, because one day the rolls would be reversed.
I hate being right all the time.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:46 AM
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Took us a while . What did you do with the rest of your 90's ?

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 10:57 AM
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Raised children. Took up quite a bit of my time. And I realized I knew absolutely nothing about that.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:50 AM
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That's called patience. Lots and lots of patience. :)


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 4:20 PM
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"I hate being right once every 27 years"

Good one!


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:07 AM
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I am sure that having a job where you have to travel, and once you get past the traffic at the beginning of your trip, you would be lucky to see another means of transportation for hours and more hours, that has to be a great job!!! ;)

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:37 PM
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It's been a good career . I didn't get to college and so I found an industry that I loved and it's paid the bills and given me a lot of cool scenery .
It's also kept me away from home a ton and been heavily burdening and demanding at times .
Ying/Yang , probably like any other job or career .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:53 AM
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Cool!!!! Is this an oil tanker?


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:40 PM
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Of sorts . It's a 30k barrel jet fuel barge . We just discharged and left the fuel dock in DC ( Trump's gotta fly don't he ? ) and we go back to load again in Baltimore .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 1:56 PM
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I'm guessing it's an 1 1/2 hour trip one way from Baltimore to D.C.?


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 2:15 PM
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Lol , try 22 hrs .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 3:56 PM
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22 hours!!!!!!!!!!! How fast, I mean slowly, do you go? Do you make other stops?


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 6:35 PM
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We average about 7 knots . We get as high as 10 knots and down to 5 when we buck the tide , depending on if the barge is a loaded one or an empty one .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:46 AM
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I'd give you the West years, we reached rock bottom at 3-8 in 1998. Bowden at least got us respectable, so the program was on the right track. So they're at least one coach away from challenging us?


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:48 PM
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Trust me when I say that the last West year was the hardest in my 57 years as a Tiger fan. But I don't think that everything that happen with our FB was all Tommy's fault bc the AD/president was all but hand picking all of the recruits at that time scared to death that another recruiting incident would happen at Clemson under Tommy's leadership, and I guess it just wasn't a good time for any FB HC at Clemson!!!!

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I think it is the Hatfield/West era

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:56 AM
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It is a downward trend for them. Bowden started the upward trend that Dabo has taken to a higher level.


He's more a Tommy West. WAYYYYY over his head

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 11:58 AM
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and sucks at recruiting.

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I'm sorry, but anyone comparing our '98 season to what

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:03 PM
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FSU has been the last 4 years is WAY off the mark. A losing season is one thing. The complete destruction of an entire program almost overnight and wallowing in the cess of quitting and rock bottom morale with the recruits they get is something else entirely. Jimbo Fisher was a disaster way before Taggart got there. Jimbo Fisher can't carry Tommy West's jock strap when it comes to being a quality and respectable human being. The 2 situations aren't even remotely comparable.


BTW, our '98 team would be the #### out of this FSU team


Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:09 PM
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not based on talent, but based on the will to win. Winning is a totally foreign concept to FSU right now.


'Beat', not 'be'***


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I thought Taggert's turnover backpack

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:15 PM
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Was brilliant...that and a winning record at Oregon makes him a can't miss coach

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:54 PM
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Not sure many coaches "would kill" to be at FSU right now. Following Bowden and Jimbo with a fanbase that wants to run a guy out 1.5 years in doesn't bode well. If I was FSU, I would hold onto Taggart for next season, give him a chance, and then look for an up and coming coach. Has-beens (the Muscoots and and Chip Kelly's) of the world have played all their cards. You know what you're getting. Some would say Taggart fits that category given his less than stellar record. I still believe a lot of the mess there was caused by Jimbo. Not going to defend his in-game mistakes but that place was going to be a dumpster fire after Jimbo left in that fashion. Worst thing they can do is overreact and fire Taggart without having their guy on deck


WT seems to have the team behind him and putting together

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:58 PM
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a good recruiting class for 2020. Willing to make changes on D as he brought in Leavitt as a analyst. Considering the mess he inherited, it's way too early IMO for any type final judgement on him. As it is for Chip Kelly, Pruitt, etc. These guys are in their 2nd year- if you are an admin that wants to build a program then you can't worry about the short term social media and shock jock BS, or alumni even being counterproductive. He still doesn't have his QB yet- the loss of Sam Howell which was a direct result of MB being hired by the Heels may have delayed that also. You look for improvements on the OL and hope you win enough to finish above .500 in the league and go bowling. They are in the same boat as almost every team not named Clemson in the ACC. They have a chance in every game except CU as they showed last week at UVA.

You can't blame WT for the JF's failures to recruit/dev any decent OL or great QB his last few years.

I think you are also painting this stretch of FSU football a little worse than reality. Sure it's been bad compared to where they had become accustomed to the last couple of years but they also didn't adjust well to becoming 2nd fiddle. There was some fools gold there under Jimbo the 2nd half of his tenure caused by his poor leadership but they were 14-0, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3, 7-6, 5-7(WT). Last time I checked, this year isn't anywhere close to being done and CU is the only definitive loss on their schedule. Reality says they probably go 5-7 to 7-5 again but I believe next year is when they would realistically hope to be back to 8 and go from there but that's not out of the question yet for this year.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 2:01 PM
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And both losses have been close. My guess is they improve as the season progresses. Still a long way to go to become respectable.


I don’t feel bad for them. I still remember the

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:58 PM
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When they’d take us to the woodshed during Bobby Bowden’s hay day.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 1:02 PM
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So basically you are saying Jimbo = Hatfield.

He took over a championship level program and benefited from the leftover talent, but he was clearly headed downhill at the end.

I guess that means Taggart = West. I hope he lasts as long as West did.


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Do you pay for Warchant? I'd like to see what's up over there, but can't see paying to read a forum for an opposing team.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 2:16 PM
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No , a work friend of mine ( From Pensacola ) is a member and I was reading his page .

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 3:01 PM
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Remember when Bobby Bowden use to run up the score on everyone in the ACC for style points?

Well karma is a byatch FSU. I hope they languish in mediocrity for years.


I'm really hoping they turn it around...


Posted: Sep 20, 2019 3:44 PM
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we need some respectable in conference competition. I hate it for Willie but right now they'd be better off hiring Burt Reynolds.

I know he died, that's how bad they are now!

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Re: I'm really hoping they turn it around...

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 6:25 PM
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I agree , but I also think that we're in a sort of zone right now where as long as we take care and win out we almost auto-qualify for the playoff .

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We're the defending NC, we win out and we're in the playoffs!!!

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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 5:52 PM
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Good analogy.

Could say the Dubose/Franchione years of Bama, or the Hallman/Dinardo years at LSU.

From all evidence so far, Taggart was a huge mistake. And, normally it takes a string of 2 or 3 coaches (or more) between good hires.

Every AD thinks that every hire is a great hire when they hire the guy. Most of the time they are wrong.

I thoroughly enjoyed our dynasty years, still unmatched. (14 straight years being ranked in the top 4) Bama and Clemson both look like they are in that kind of stretch. My advice to all their fans - enjoy the ride, don't be critical of the little missteps along the ride, just enjoy the heck out of it while it lasts.

Unfortunately for me, I rear that FSU is just at the beginning of our "not so good (to say the least)" run.

Coaching matters.


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Heard this is they’re next option

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Funny that you mention it but TOMMY BOWEN is available***


Posted: Sep 23, 2019 1:22 PM
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Re: FSU has effectively entered


Posted: Sep 23, 2019 2:28 PM
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FSU is still a very talented bunch. Athletes all over the field. They don’t play as a team for 4 quarters. But if you look at how they jumped on Louisville in the first quarter you can see the talent. If they ever gain the confidence and coaching to play a 4 quarter game as a team, not a bunch of entitled athletes, they will be back to being FSU. Everyone is saying the most dangerous team we will face is UofSC. I disagree. It’s FSU by far. FSU is much more talented...and dangerous.


The Tommy Bowden years would look pretty good to them


Posted: Sep 24, 2019 10:05 AM
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right now!

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