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Dang we are effed


Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 6:17 AM
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Economic Recovery and Climate change in particular although all 4 are really bad. Looks like monthly trillion dollar stimulus packages are going to be coming. Complete fantasy. Lets create 1 million manufacturing jobs by raising taxes and ensuring ease of unionization for everyone along with $15 minimum wage and no tip supported wages.

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you really think he is going to get any of that done?

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 8:44 AM
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Re: you really think he is going to get any of that done?


Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 9:12 AM
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There will be an infrastructure bill. There will be some type of Covid stimulus bill. McConnell will give Biden just enough over the next two years to help any vulnerable GOP Senators in 2022 from being attacked as being total obstructionists. I'm good with it. Biden will be a transitional President, not a transformative one.

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 12:26 PM
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Yup.

Probably a healthy place to be. McConnell may or may not retain control of the Senate, depending on what happens down in Georgia, but regardless of that, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, and on the other side, Joe Manchin are going to be the swing votes on just a whole lot a lot of stuff and none of them are go-crazy-let's-spend-stupid-money type folks so hopefully we won't get too far into the poorhouse. On the other hand, all of those folks are sensible enough we should be able to get the necessary stuff done.

Who knows? They might actually have to start wheeling and dealing and - shudder! - compromise on things for a minute. You know, the way Congress is actually supposed to work.

Straight obstructionism makes my teeth ache. But the last thing I personally want is the Dems storming into 2021 with the idea they've got a "mandate" and full control over Congress. I can't even imagine what the sticker shock over their spending would look like.

I would prefer if America wasn't insolvent in about three or four years, you know?


Re: you really think he is going to get any of that done?


Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 7:06 PM
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quozzel said:

Yup.

Probably a healthy place to be. McConnell may or may not retain control of the Senate, depending on what happens down in Georgia, but regardless of that, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, and on the other side, Joe Manchin are going to be the swing votes on just a whole lot a lot of stuff and none of them are go-crazy-let's-spend-stupid-money type folks so hopefully we won't get too far into the poorhouse. On the other hand, all of those folks are sensible enough we should be able to get the necessary stuff done.

Who knows? They might actually have to start wheeling and dealing and - shudder! - compromise on things for a minute. You know, the way Congress is actually supposed to work.

Straight obstructionism makes my teeth ache. But the last thing I personally want is the Dems storming into 2021 with the idea they've got a "mandate" and full control over Congress. I can't even imagine what the sticker shock over their spending would look like.

I would prefer if America wasn't insolvent in about three or four years, you know?


Yes sir! Saw a piece recently with Trent Lott and Tom Daschle when they actually shared power when there was a 50/50 split in the Senate. Compromise is necessary in our essentially 50/50 country. We do need some things to be done, but tighten our belts too. Even if an agreement can’t be reached,the politicians need to stop the personal attacks whether the attacks are real or theater. Good answer Q!!

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 10:42 AM
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I’m thankful for Mitch every single day. He keeps all the libtards and their insane ideas in check.

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Source check?


Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 9:23 AM
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Re: Source check?

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 10:23 AM
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This is about that case with the affidavit that you were all wet over. How come court didn't find fraud?

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-seeking-to-halt-georgia-election-certification


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Re: Source check?

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 10:32 AM
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Don’t you find it the least bit odd that all of these cases are getting dismissed before even given a chance to present evidence and go through discovery and all that good court stuff? The judges say that they’re being asked to do stuff without evidence. Well, you can’t have evidence unless either A) you have a trial or B) you get a law enforcement agency to investigate.

I do think the Trump legal team would have been better served though taking all these affidavits and going through the lower courts first and then bringing a larger, broader case later. Maybe they didn’t think there was enough time for that idk.

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 11:42 AM
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Normally that would be a very odd thing. However, it makes sense in these cases, because Trump's attorneys aren't trying to win.

For instance: If the person who signed Rulez08's affidavit--a county poll manager--had wanted to address the fraud, she would have started at the county level--as you suggested. That's just how the process works. If it didn't get resolved there, she could bring a state lawsuit and seek an injunction or other relief against the board of elections. She or a political party could run that case all the way to the state supreme court. And she may have taken steps. The affidavit doesn't say.

So that's the allegations-of-fraud side of it. Short answer: It's a local and state issue, not an issue for federal court. The Court explained: "If every state election irregularity were considered a federal constitutional deprivation, federal courts would adjudicate every state election dispute."

So the federal case fails because it boils down to the plaintiff--who was suing as an ordinary voter--asking the court to stop the certification of votes and alter the vote-counting process. The claims are made under the First Amendment, Fourteenth Amendment (Equal Protection and Due Process), and the Electors and Elections Clauses under Article I.

This is a case you or I could have filed, and the question is whether we have the power use a federal court to redo statewide vote counts based on our submission of affidavits about irregularities in the process.

The (Trump-appointed) Judge carefully went through the multiple ways in which that lawsuit could not succeed. Individual voters like you and me lack standing to override an election process through a federal lawsuit, for one. In addition, the tallying process complained about was established in March, making the lawsuit untimely. The constitutional right to equal protection and due process are not implicated by the alleged facts, but lawsuit DOES threaten the constitutional rights of millions of Georgia voters, which outweigh any concern the plaintiff has about his own vote.

Link to the court documents:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18632787/wood-v-raffensperger/


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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 12:08 PM
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Don’t you find it the least bit odd that all of these cases are getting dismissed before even given a chance to present evidence and go through discovery and all that good court stuff?

Judges often toss out cases that already have specious or no evidence when presented. There generally needs to be a cause for a case. People don't get to just make up cases and demand a trial proceed forward in hopes something is found ala a fishing expedition.

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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 12:22 PM
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Your answer was shorter and more to the point. And I agree.

Also, the "loss" in the Georgia case was only the denial of the motion for a temporary restraining order (TRO), so it's worth noting that there is technically still a trial available if the plaintiff wants to stay the course. He won't though, because the court explained why all the evidence in the world won't change the outcome. The flaws in the lawsuit are more fundamental than the evidence.

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No, this often happens in cases where people are


Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 12:45 PM
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totally making stuff up and have no evidence.


I'm so scared. Hold me.***


Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 9:31 AM
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Posted: Nov 24, 2020, 10:41 AM
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if they want to reduce emissions, just stop buying crap from chiner joe

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