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Tiger Cub [11]
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Brownell is in over head
Feb 12, 2017, 4:57 PM
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Brownell can't recruit and he can't develop his players. You have to develop in this league.
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Stating your opinion as a fact does not make it true.***
Feb 12, 2017, 6:35 PM
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CU Guru [1535]
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It's true because it's true...doesn't matter who says it.***
Feb 12, 2017, 7:02 PM
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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OK, you feel like a big shot now....
Feb 12, 2017, 6:46 PM
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the rest of us know that it's a simply ridiculous opinion to say that a man
who's been to the NCAA 4 times "is in over his head", or
that the man who has helped developed
KJ McDaniels, Landry Nnoko, and soon to be NBA'er Jaron Blossomgame,
can somehow "NOT" develop talent.
Not hitting on all cylinders tonight, are you?
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CU Guru [1535]
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You just named three whole players. How long
Feb 12, 2017, 7:03 PM
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has he been here? Seems like you're not firing on all cylinders tonight.
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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oh good God Chuckston, you have to be kidding me...
Feb 13, 2017, 9:53 AM
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you see it's stuff like this that tells me you're pre-disposed by your opinion
of Brownell,
and not letting real un-biased judgement be your guide.
To suggest that B-Game has "regressed" is ridiculous - BBall is more than about numbers - significantly more.
And to say that Nnoko regressed from when he came into the program is also simply moronic - I'm sorry.
The kdi could barely walk and now he's playing in Italy...
You need to clear your head - find another way to come at this -
because right now you aren't making a lick of sense.
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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You are good at name calling and breaking the rules of
Feb 13, 2017, 9:58 AM
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Tigernet. You would do better to use actual facts for your arguments instead of name calling. Name calling is for those who can't support their argument with facts.
Your track record suggests that is your MO.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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yeah - you can call Brownell an idiot, but don't
Feb 13, 2017, 10:05 AM
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let anyone call you an idiot, right?
as soon as people on here start defending the right of Brownell
and other coaches to not have their jobs challenged by mob rule -
which is an AD's issue, not a fan's -
then I'll start worrying about people's little keyboard ego.
now that's my MO, pumpkin...
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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You have an aversion to the truth. Could you post the link
Feb 13, 2017, 10:27 AM
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to the post where I called Coach Brownell an idiot?
That's why you have a credibility problem. You don't deal in facts. You deal in factually incorrect personal attacks.
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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And, you either drink too much coffee
Feb 13, 2017, 10:30 AM
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or you have an anger management problem or both.
Try decaf.
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All-In [27366]
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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ain't my fault if you can't understand BBall...
Feb 13, 2017, 9:54 AM
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tried to help you.
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Orange Blooded [4754]
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Only 1 of those trips to the NCAA was at CU....
Feb 12, 2017, 7:27 PM
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with players he did not recruit. He has not developed the players well at Clemson, with only 1 player riding the pine in the NBA proves it. CBB has had seven years here and we are not better than when he arrived.
He was given more than enough rope, he has hung himself. Clemson has made him a very wealthy man. He'll be fine but the longer he is here the more stagnant our basketball program will become.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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duh, and it's that one trip that proves the point...
Feb 13, 2017, 9:59 AM
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if BB were "in over his head" he would not have been able to coach
that first team into the Tourney -
an overwhelmed coach would have squandered the talent.
unless of course you're saying the players got there on their own.
but then you've got the problem of how did 2 UNCW teams and 1 Wright State team
get into the NCAA if it were only the players and not the coaching.
logic, my friends -
it will set you free...
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Orange Blooded [2332]
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Re: Brownell is in over head
Feb 12, 2017, 7:30 PM
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Interesting first post! While I do believe Brownell could have done more I believe we owe him the remainder of the season to judge.
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Orange Blooded [2763]
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I am still a Brownell backer. If you can remember, the
Feb 12, 2017, 8:06 PM
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first year he was at Clemson, and we played Duke on the road, Coach K said afterwards he was extremely impressed with how well coached we were.
Stick with the guy! He's had some bad breaks this year...one point loss to UNC, last shot loss to Syracuse, and had an opportunity to hit a three to beat Duke yesterday.
Okay, let's say we make a lot of you happy and fire him. Who do we get, Phil Jackson, bring Bobby Knight out of retirement, hire Coach K from Duke,????? Be real!
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I'd give him another season. He had a good foundation
Feb 12, 2017, 8:25 PM
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to build on. Many of these same folks said "Fire Dabo" during the five game chicken run.
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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Had to laugh at your Brownell to Dabo comparison.
Feb 13, 2017, 9:16 AM
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I'm hoping it was a joke.
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Re: Had to laugh at your Brownell to Dabo comparison.
Feb 13, 2017, 9:41 AM
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you can't cure dumb. both poasters have no clue
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Re: I'd give him another season. He had a good foundation
Feb 13, 2017, 10:42 AM
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I still don't get why people continue to compare our football program to our basketball program. It just doesn't make sense. We are expecting to be good at football based on our history. Clemson has shown they can be competitive when OP was here making the tournament 4 times while he was here. The expectation used to be trying to win in the tournament and now its just trying to make it? Not where you want to be as far as setting your expectations.
Football is on another level and just is not comparable to basketball.
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Re: I am still a Brownell backer. If you can remember, the
Feb 13, 2017, 9:25 AM
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Why do we continue to lose so many close games? Just chalking it up to bad luck or what? I believe it has to be coaching. I will continue to support BB until he is not our coach but we have to have better in bounds plays and we have to start winning in crunch time. This is on the players and the coach but the coach has to put our boys in the right position to win and our boys have got to start making shots when it matters most.
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CU Guru [1535]
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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who has he recruited for next yr.That is relevant to keephim***
Feb 12, 2017, 10:17 PM
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Legend [19697]
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His recruiting class next season is his best
Feb 13, 2017, 8:07 AM
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since he's been here. A.J. Oliver, a 4 star SG is already enrolled. Also have two 6'8 forwards, a 4 and 3 star, a a long 3 star wing player with great athleticism in Clyde Trapp. Also 6'8 transfer Skara. It's a really good class.
That said, I don't think that class should affect any decision on Brad. None of the guys are the type who would be a prigram changer from the get go. Their impact will really be felt 2-3-4 years down the road. Even if Brad gets another year, it will be the returnees who are the core contributors next season with these guys playing complimentary roles.
We'll see what happens. Personally, I think we need to finish strong the last 6 games or his job is in jeopardy
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Obviously*****
Feb 13, 2017, 8:15 AM
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CU Guru [1898]
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Disagree
Feb 13, 2017, 8:21 AM
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He does develop players. He can recruit.
Doesn't mean he's right for Clemson. I think a school in the Midwest would be better.
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All-In [48078]
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He is a weak recruiter. What are you talking about?*****
Feb 13, 2017, 8:27 AM
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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Correct. His records proves he is a poor player developer,
Feb 13, 2017, 9:19 AM
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he can't recruit good ones players, and he can't put them in favorable positions to win through superior coaching.
He is poor at:
1. Recruiting
2. Player development
3. Schemes, strategy and plays.
4. Confidence
5. Sales
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Orange Blooded [4559]
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Re: Correct. His records proves he is a poor player developer,
Feb 13, 2017, 9:53 AM
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He's never struck me as a guy that players would run through a brick wall for. Just doesn't seem to have that magnetic personality that draws people (recruits) to him. Hard to build a winner in this region without that character trait.
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Orange Blooded [4423]
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recruiting is one thing but he definitely develops players***
Feb 13, 2017, 10:31 AM
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