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Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:36 AM
 

 
Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"

There was no shortage of emotion and frustration from defensive coordinator Brent Venables after Saturday night’s loss to South Carolina as he talked about Clemson's inability to stop the running of Connor Shaw. Photo by Jeff Blake / US PRESSWIRE Full Story »



Spy? I must have missed that. Never saw a spy on Shaw. Who?

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:44 AM
 

Just wondering.


Re: Spy? I must have missed that. Never saw a spy on Shaw. Who?

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:45 AM
 

Was thinking the same thing. Shuey's one and only tasks every 3rd down should have been "eyes on shaw"

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If you spy Shaw with Shuey, they could just leave him


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:49 AM
 

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I saw they had spied Shaw with Corey Crawford twice

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:54 AM
 

but that's all I noticed during the game. Have not rewatched it to break it down. Probably wont either. Cannot stomach watching that disaster again.


my wife and son had a bet on how many times I would watch


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:23 AM
 

the game....I have a tendency to replay games over and over to break them down.....NOT THIS ONE---NO NEED TO!


Re: Spy? I must have missed that. Never saw a spy on Shaw. Who?

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:51 AM
 

people get too worked up about putting a spy on Shaw

Shaw is a very accurate passer and a very good runner, he runs the zone read with prefection, you devote a guy to stop him from runninng and he will pick you apart through the air. That is why he is so effective and has won so many games.

I just can't stand when people act like things are just so easy like, "just put a spy on him and shut him down", yea right. If that was all it takes everyone would be doing it and he wouldn't be their programs all time win leader.


Re: Spy? I must have missed that. Never saw a spy on Shaw. Who?

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:01 AM
 

I think you are all over this. We do not give Connor Shaw enough credit. He was the difference in the game (along with our turnovers). I thought the team played hard and physical. I did not see all of the break downs on our line play that everyone else keeps referring to. I must have watched the wrong game.


I thought both lines mostly played great. The TOs and


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:11 AM
 

untimely penalties are what killed us especially Sammy's INT and the two fumbled punts, just terrible momentum killers!

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agreed but after several pick ups, I would've made him prove


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:24 AM
 

he could beat me another way on that one night!!


Re: Spy? I must have missed that. Never saw a spy on Shaw. Who?


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 2:46 PM
 

People think that spies can't be blocked for some reason. Like if you call them a spy they are always going to have a clear path to that person. Shaw was successful because SCar did a great job of blocking for him all night...spy or no spy.


my thoughts exactly!! I kept yelling it over and over but


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:21 AM
 

they didn't listen to me.


The one time I saw a spy, Shaw dumped a pass over his head.***


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:53 AM
 




Actually Shaw had less yards than usual. The turnovers are


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 12:15 PM
 

what gave them great field position and half of their points. Of course considering how long our D was already on the field, we were fotunate that it didn't get even more out of hand.


Re: Spy? I must have missed that. Never saw a spy on Shaw. Who?


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 12:19 PM
 

I think he used Crawford for that job. Shaw saw that and eluded Crawford all night. Probably should have used other players and kept Shaw guessing who was spying. No corner containment in this game from anyone in white!


Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:48 AM
 

I never saw a qb spy. NEVER idk what he is talking about.

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Shaw didn't win the game for South Carolina***


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 10:58 AM
 



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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:02 AM
 



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How about Vic keeping contain instead of getting upfield

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:08 AM
 

like he wanted a sack on every play?

Shaw just exploited the overly aggressive ends on almost all of his runs.

I think if there was a spy, it should have filled the hole Vic gave up every time he went outside. When Vic went inside, Shaw just went out and there was no one there either.

It was like watching Clemson from 2009/2010 all over again. Pathetic.


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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:13 AM
 




Didn't see anywhere in the article where they tried to


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:11 AM
 

break his legs? So, they didn't try everything.




(I kid, I kid)

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Maybe, just maybe

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:13 AM
 

next time just look at some game film of other teams whom have stopped the cockerel's

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:27 AM
 

I saw FLORDIA check Shaw...did no-one watch that game film to see what they did...Flordia!!!!
Oh...just a question....should Boyd have benched at least he had his head back together??? I saw him pushing and it cost us dearly. Just asking.


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Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:42 AM
 

BV has made some strides with the defense. However, they had some issues with stopping Tahj. CS is a little better field general than Tahj abd in my opinion has a better and more experienced QB coach in SS. To be tied in the 4th quarter was my goal. We just fell apart otherwise.


"We tried everything" except blitzing***


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:54 AM
 



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Defense - didn't lose the game. Without the turnovers, they


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 11:55 AM
 

score 17 to 20 points and we score 35. Their longest offensive plays were punting the ball to us twice and having us muff/fumble it.

Third down conversion was bad, but improved over the course of the game. If we held on to the ball, I don't think it would have beaten us.

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Except for the part where they let them hold the ball for...

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 12:05 PM
 

40 minutes out of 60. Didn't force any turnovers. Rarely hit Shaw hard, even on his runs. Got toasted by the wildcat passing plays. Shaw was doing most of his running up the middle...which makes me think a delayed blitz up the middle on occasion might have been a good idea.
All 3 units did their part in the loss (offense, defense, special teams). I think the special teams fumbles were the biggest killers though, because they came after the defense actually got a stop and before the offense could get back on the field. But all three phases needed to be better. Defense still has work to do, but overall this year has been better than where we were previously.


Turnovers skewed the TOP. Two on punts, (down zero), one on


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 12:37 PM
 

first down and one on 2nd down. Even if we gain zero yards on those four possession we would likely burn 2 minutes of clock on eachone = 8 minuts to us, and away from them. So then it is not 40 to 20, but 32 to 28, pretty even.

Not making excuses, but just saying I think D held their own, but didnt get much help.

SCar's biggest plays was punting to us, and have us muff/fumble it for a 40 yeard gain.

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Actually Shaw had less yards than normal. The turnovers


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 12:18 PM
 

are what gave them great field position and half of their points. Of course considering how long our D was already on the field, we were fortunate that it didn't get even more out of hand.


He normally rushes for more than 95 yards?***


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 1:10 PM
 



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Re: Defense - didn't lose the game. Without the turnovers, they


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 9:37 PM
 

You really never know what could have happened. After the turnovers when Carolina had the ball they could have easily fumbled and given it back to Clemson, but that doesn't necessarily mean that either team would have scored.


Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 12:23 PM
 

Bottom line is:

We sold out to stop Davis and we did.

Did we forget to scheme for Shaw and the wide receivinbg corp?


^^^ Accurate post.***


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 1:16 PM
 



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When Carolina is up on you, they make it almost

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Posted: Dec 2, 2013 1:01 PM
 

impossible, and go into football's version of the "four corners". You get up on them and they can't run that.


Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 1:20 PM
 

This game was not on the defense. Sure there were things they could have done better but they kept us in it. Even against FSU they gave us several chances to get back in it. Problem is and was the offense mainly BC Tajh is scared unless we're playing Wake or UVA.


Shaw is good


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 1:25 PM
 

But geez Louise-what happens if chickens muff two punts and throw us an INT in the end zone?? I agree with dude earlier-woulda been 40s to 20s. ###### it sucks!


Tajh not scared


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 1:27 PM
 

That's not fair. He does freak out or something under pressure but he's not "scared."


Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 2:03 PM
 

Our defense didn't lose the game for us. Turnovers lost the game for us. Sakerlina is a good offensive team, and they made their plays. We made some, but Im pretty sure it's impossible to win a game with a -6 turnover margin.


Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 2:34 PM
 

Why try a ""trick-play""----when your offense is ramming it down their throats,running & passing ???????????? --- IF we score first,we quite the ""white hankies"" , and it's off to a win !!!!!!

__instead,we try a ""trick-play"" on the opening drive, like we did in Atlanta,against LSU ( lost Sammy & the ball )___ and swing all the momentum to the other team ???? WTH ?????


You didn't coach well enough last year either Brent***


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 7:32 PM
 



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Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 8:05 PM
 

Look how much time the defense was on the field. By the 4th quarter they were tired and it showed. Out coached, out played, and out conditioned by the only two teams with 8 or more wins on Clemson's schedule. And Clemson was soundly beaten by both Florida State and South Carolina by an average score of 42-15.

As much as I like watching Boyd play, the greatest QB in Clemson history is Homer Jordan. He not only brought home an ACC title, but guided the TEAM to a national title.

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Re: Front Page Story: Venables on stopping Shaw: "We tried everything"


Posted: Dec 2, 2013 9:25 PM
 

I can't understand the 4th down after the TO. How does that happen?

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