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Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 6:50 PM
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If you care about the Clemson PROGRAM, then it is obvious which decision Dabo had to make in the interest of HIS "organization."
If you don't think the #1 team in college football was going to get absolutely dogged by the national for not participating, then you are foolish. Our recruiting would suffer. Our perception would suffer.
As someone who truly supports CLEMSON, this was the obvious move.
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Re: Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 6:52 PM
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ND had nothing on theirs but rally. What does that even mean?
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CU Guru [1686]
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Again, they aren't
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 6:56 PM
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The #1 team and most discussed throughout the entire country.
Trust me, the media was salivating at the idea of us not wearing a sticker. Does Dabo care about his players? Does Dabo care about black people? The stories would have haunted the entire season.
Dabo was between the proverbial rock and hard place. The downside was just too great to simply ignore.
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Re: Again, they aren't
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:02 PM
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I don’t think he was between a rock and a hard place. If he is as good a Christian as I think he is, then he was ALL IN with the decision.
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CU Guru [1686]
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I'm not a Christian, but
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:05 PM
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Isn't there something in there about showing love over judgment?
It isn't our job to judge Dabo and his players, it's our job to support them when they need support.
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All-In [35717]
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Re: Again, they aren't
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:06 PM
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There’s nothing Christian about Black Lives Matter.
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CU Guru [1686]
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True, but it probably also isn't very Christian
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:09 PM
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To ignore what your players want when they literally took a team vote on it.
Lol.
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Orange Blooded [3104]
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Re: True, but it probably also isn't very Christian
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:12 PM
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don't ignore, educate/lead instead
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CU Guru [1686]
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That's literally what he's doing, hence
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:16 PM
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The stickers
One says "Love" for goodness sake.
Am I missing something? Can't help but the feeling there are undertones here far and above anything I've said or even implied
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Orange Blooded [3104]
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Re: That's literally what he's doing, hence
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:22 PM
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you first have to understand what rights/freedoms that marxism takes away
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Re: True, but it probably also isn't very Christian
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:41 PM
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Please explain.
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Orange Blooded [2583]
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Re: Again, they aren't
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 8:37 PM
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swimmer,
How about black lives matter ??
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Re: Again, they aren't
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Posted: Sep 13, 2020, 11:43 AM
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There is also nothing Christian about lying, adulterous, money grubbing, divisive, racist Donald Trump. Yet you support him. Why not Black Lives Matter. Just a hunch! Its the "black" part right?
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All-In [30469]
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Sometimes its better to put your principles aside
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:04 PM
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and go with the masses
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CU Guru [1686]
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Look, I don't like it either
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:07 PM
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I just love Clemson more than I hate BLM.
Can't let the [email protected]@rds get a cheap and easy one on us. It's hard enough as is.
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Re: Look, I don't like it either
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:11 PM
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I hate BLM more than I love Clemson. Sorry. Priorities.
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CU Guru [1686]
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Then, by definition, you aren't a "fan"
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:14 PM
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You appear more fanatical about race and politically motivated topics than sports.
Nah, sorry, that ain't me. Always has been about Clemson football and always will be.
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110%er [8636]
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Re: Then, by definition, you aren't a "fan"
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:24 PM
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I’m not faulting you for your priorities or views. I was in line with your priority years ago. Just not now. Still love this team.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Look, I don't like it either
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Posted: Sep 13, 2020, 9:37 AM
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BLM has triggered the racist filth in this country.
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Orange Blooded [4514]
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If your "principals" are against love, equality and
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:41 PM
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the end to racism, then you got bigger problems buddy.
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Ring of Honor [38108]
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That’s a neat semantic bait and switch
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:43 PM
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But nobody buys it except your fellow postmodern marxists.
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Orange Blooded [4514]
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My God grow up
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:44 PM
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It's a sticker, wow.
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Ring of Honor [38108]
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A sticker that tacitly endorses undermining
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 9:57 PM
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the foundational bedrock of our society.
Wake up.
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Orange Blooded [2583]
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Re: That’s a neat semantic bait and switch
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 8:39 PM
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Poker,
Define Marxism.
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Ring of Honor [38108]
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A failed ideology that is impossible to truly implement
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 9:56 PM
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in the real world, and every time it's been tried has killed tens of millions of people. Ideally a stateless society with little or no private ownership. Inherently contradictory and incompatible with basic human nature.
Once the failure of marxism became obvious, the marxists, instead of admitting their error, simply rebranded it. Hence the heinous (and again contradictory) postmodernist neo-marxism you see vying for power today.
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Re: Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:06 PM
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Dabo was being pressured to stop the Christian talk and he didn’t bat an eye.
Dabo has also held our uniforms at a higher standard than this.
There were other options if he felt like anything needed to be done. Even a unity sticker as opposed to BLM.
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CU Guru [1686]
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You do realize
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:12 PM
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The team voted on this decision, right?
You guys are putting Dabo in an awful difficult position. You want him to recruit and win, but want him to make unilateral decisions that will directly limit his ability to do just that.
As a Trump supporter, please, for the love of Clemson, just let this one go. It's not worth the fight. The sticker is so small you can't even see on TV (or in person), so I'm OK with it.
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Re: You do realize
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:18 PM
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Do you hear yourself?
If this team voted to run a wishbone this year- would that fly? Or voted to have chrome helmets?
This team can’t even vote to wear purple uni’s when they want.
Dabo is the leader and is expected to make decisions for the team.
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CU Guru [1686]
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You're equating social issues
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:23 PM
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To football issues.
It is important not to conflate these two. That is my main point.
When a stand on a social issue will most likely directly result in football issues, then logic must prevail for the sake of the organization.
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Re: You do realize
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:26 PM
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Sadly it means more than Clemson. Again i state i believe 100 that black lives matter but the organization black lives matter is not about that. Read please the history. Its more about communism LBTQTXYZ and destroying the nuclear family. I can never send a .10 of 1 cent to that. If IPTAY or any other entity I give money to sends money to that i am out. 25 years down the drain.
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Orange Blooded [2583]
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Re: Guys, relax
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 8:40 PM
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07,
Is it possible that he let the kids decide ??
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Orange Blooded [3109]
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Re: Guys, relax
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:09 PM
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Anything but BLM or Antifa
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Re: Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:11 PM
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It’s not about the sticker it’s the evil it represents.
I’m sure there are a few Republicans on the team and if they decide to wear a sticker that said keep America great .
Well they would be ruined and that’s the reason this organization is so bad .
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^^^realist^^^***
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:13 PM
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CU Guru [1686]
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You are literally
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:20 PM
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The only seeming reasonable person who has posted in this thread lol.
It's not that I don't disagree with it fundamentally, it's just not worth the fight for.
A wise man once told choose your battles carefully.
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Yeah, thats sad. But they can still use this as a
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:14 PM
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Teaching lesson for what Marxism is, its evils and deadliness!
Perhaps Dabo will do that?
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Re: Yeah, thats sad. But they can still use this as a
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 8:46 PM
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93,
Could you define Marxism for me ?
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Re: Guys, relax
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:16 PM
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Not sure what the OP means. This is not big enough to consider cancelling the game.
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Re: Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:33 PM
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No, our national stature made it more critical that we put principles over pragmatism. It takes no guts to put BLM on the helmets. I'll watch but send no more money.
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CU Guru [1686]
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Fair enough, but if you are that quickly to abandon the
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:38 PM
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Team and program, my assumption is that you were never really a TRUE fan to begin with.
Clemson has had racist awful players and coaches, and faculty of ALL races, but i will still stand by them.
That's what support means. Believing in something or someone despite the difficulties associated with said party.
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We would have gotten landblasted if we didn’t***
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:44 PM
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CU Guru [1686]
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My point exactly, you were just
Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:45 PM
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Much more efficient with your wording 
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Re: Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020, 7:51 PM
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Is this the Clemson Helmet ??
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Re: Guys, relax
Posted: Sep 13, 2020, 9:59 AM
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No, its your leaser who is joined at the hip with Putin.
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CU Guru [1686]
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Bump for morning crowd***
Posted: Sep 13, 2020, 9:32 AM
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Nm
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Re: Guys, relax
Posted: Sep 13, 2020, 9:50 AM
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Black lives matter is a movement and a slogan. There is also an organization called black lives matter. You can say black lives matter and support the slogan without supporting the organization called black lives matter. Of course many protest do both but our players saying/wearing BLM doesn't mean they support the organization. They may though I do not know.
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Re: Guys, relax
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Posted: Sep 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
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How about the Black Panther's fist ?
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