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Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 9:41 AM
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OK perhaps I am starting at wrong place (tnet) but I am curious as to your realistic observations , analysis and expectations for this year's game vs uscjr.
We are seeing slipups and such occurring for teams in top 10, 15 & 20 teams. We will be heavily favored if DW returns to form.
But how good/bad is uscjr? How good can they be for one game... The one game they desperately want to win?
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 9:44 AM
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I think they will get up for us. Probably be a game for 3 quarters.
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 9:49 AM
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it all gets down to Florida...if the Gators beat them soundly, which I believe will happen they will have no wind in their sails...to get to 6-6 to go to some bowl that nobody has never hear of and cluckers wont travel to? They will be flat and will get flattened more
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Depends on our Offense
Nov 9, 2014, 9:49 AM
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At this point, I think we hold them below 17 and maybe even get 7 from our defense. The question remains whether we can score. Even with Watson back, I am not convinced that we can score points. I hope I am wrong.
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Having said that, I think we win, but not a run away***
Nov 9, 2014, 9:51 AM
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 10:03 AM
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They have a very good offense, and a miserable defense.
Their O is among the Top-25 in most relevant categories, and it's solid...and while Spurrier has incurred the ire of many Gamecock fans for getting pass-happy late when it might have behooved him to just grind the rock, he's still one of the best playcallers in college football. Dylan Thompson is not Connor Shaw in terms of mobility but it speaks volumes that no other Gamecock QB has taken any kind of snaps this year, and that former walk-on Perry Orth is now ahead of former 4-star Connor Mitch on the depth chart.
Their OL is massive, and it's anchored by OT's Corey Robinson (6'8", 345) and Brandon Shell (6'6", 335), who will play Sundays. Those two are impressive, and, obviously, two of the biggest tackles in the game. They have two very good RB's in Mike Davis and Brandon Wilds who are both Sunday guys as well. They've got a very good NFL WR in Pharaoh Cooper, some decent (if smallish) complementary wideouts including the elusive Nick Jones, and some decent pass-catchers at TE, which is significant because Georgia had some success running stick routes at us and you'd best believe Spurrier will as well to try to slow down our pass rush. What's going to hurt them this year is that Thompson is not as mobile as Connor Shaw was.
Defensively...yeesh. It's a mess. Lorenzo "Whammy" Ward took over Ellis Johnson's unit a couple years ago and lived large with guys like Clowney and Quarles on his DL, but once that DL was gone, Whammy's been exposed more than a bit. He tried to shift to a 3-4 this year to cover for his lack of linemen and it's been a yearlong mess...the Gamecocks currently rank around #106 out of 125 FCS teams and they literally do nothing well defensively...they can't stop the run, they can't stop the pass, they can't pressure the QB. Whammy's probably dead man walking even if Spurrier elects to return next year; the chaos on the D is more than a little reminiscent of what we saw in Holtz's last couple years.
We should win this game, unless Spurrier is just well and truly in Dabo's head. If Watson is healthy, the blazing dumpster fire that is the Gamecock D this year won't be able to slow him down. I do think Spurrier has enough on O to move the ball - at times - even against our defense but at some point Thompson's going to be forced to make plays with his feet like Connor Shaw did or they're not going to be able to win a shootout, and while he's thrown well at times, athletically, Thompson is one of the more limited QB's that South Carolina has had.
Short version is: we're better, this year. If healthy. If Stoudt is starting, I'd probably call it much closer to even.
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Nice - I agree.***
Nov 9, 2014, 10:11 AM
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 10:22 AM
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Thanks for the detailed assessment. I agree with a lot of what you have said. However, throughout your post you point out that D. Thompson is not as mobile or athletic as Shaw (no doubt about that)...but I remember him looking like a superstar athlete running thru our defense a couple of years ago when C. Shaw was hurt. On that night he was faster/quicker than our LB and safeties. I hope that our pass rush is more controlled this year, and doesn't leave those gaping holes for the QB to exploit.
PS: I like defense...defense = effort + passion...as a fan great defense make you want to scream.
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They do have massive OT's, but they get beat by quick
Nov 9, 2014, 11:38 AM
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DE's often. I expect Vic will get around them and be held often, I hope the refs are watching.
But usuc will plan for that, and give them help.
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I agree for the most part, but I'm not nearly as confident
Nov 9, 2014, 12:28 PM
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in our Offense against their terrible defense, even with DW. I think it comes down to who wins the battle between our terrible OL and their terrible DL. DW compensates for a lot of that, for sure, but if he is pressured too much, too often, and if we are unable to get a running game going (both are very real possibilities), or God forbid if DW gets banged up, it will be a long, ugly day.
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 10:04 AM
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Honestly I see the Tigers coming out on fire against SC. We are due for a better game without 6 turnovers against them. If CS plays we win a close by 7 or so. If DW plays, it could get ugly. Their D is terrible and their offense will not be able to score many points on our d. The matchup is in our favor.
Get ready for the you can only beat us in a down year excuse.
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 10:05 AM
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Ask again after we play GT. Let's get a fresh look at DW at the helm with our current O line.
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SC better than we think - strong offense and erratic defense
Nov 9, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Much better players than record indicates.
At home maybe a 5-6 point favorite with a healthy DW.
With CS maybe a 2-3 point favorite.
SOS can out coach us - but he is a top 10 game coach.
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this much is obvious, they are better than Syracuse and Wake
Nov 9, 2014, 1:07 PM
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I expect a close, stressful game. Spurrier is a better gameplan and game day coach than Dabo. I hope our dominant defense can continue its elite level of performance and I hop Deshaun gives our offense the spark it needs to prevail.
Against SCar, venables is the only coach I feel good about, and he's up against a really good play caller.
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Re: Seeking realistic observations and analysis
Nov 9, 2014, 11:01 AM
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I think it won't be decided until the final posession with the winning margin of one or two points. I hope the home team wins.
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Only one thing needs attention right now,
Nov 9, 2014, 12:50 PM
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and full attention at that.
The Wreck.
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One big problem. Spurrier.***
Nov 9, 2014, 1:13 PM
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