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Why are players not mandated for vaccinations...

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:04 AM
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My understanding that those with vaccinations are not tested?

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Because “muh freedoms!”***

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Re: Because “muh freedoms!”***

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:10 AM
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People don’t value freedom anymore, they value “safety”. The question should’ve been why weren’t they forced to take something and still test positive for covid, that’s what they basically are saying

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Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.


Oct 22, 2021, 10:18 AM
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That’s how I view freedom.

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Re: Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:02 AM
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You (not specifically but in general) also have the freedom to remove your nose from people's business to keep it further away from their fist.

Our country is becoming more and more accepting of people sticking their noses around looking for something to tell others they are doing incorrectly.

Then people line up with pitch forks if a fist makes contact with a nose, even if the person's fist was just moving around trying to learn a new dance move.

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Re: Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:19 AM
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Most folks don't know the difference between can/could and should.

People say the government *can't* co something because of "muh freedoms" The government can't mandate a shot. Or the Government can't tax gas, beer, property. Even things like the government can't take my arms (guns).

This is incorrect. Gubbermint darn well can. Even for firearms the government has the ability to amend the constitutions. The 2nd can change and or go away - doubt it but technically it is an option and law love technicalities.

What folks must talk about is where or not the government *should* do something. In 99% it really shouldn't. Period.

But this difference is often lost in the political debate.

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Re: Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:25 AM
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If YOU got the vaccine, what are YOU worried about. His un-vaxxed @ss poses you no threat. And if the vaccine doesn’t work, why force him to get it?

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You are conveniently ignoring people who can’t get the vaccine

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Oct 22, 2021, 1:41 PM
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or who are unable to mount an immune response to the vaccine.

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Re: Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

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Oct 22, 2021, 3:45 PM
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Your freedom ends where jabbing my skin with a needle begins.

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Oct 22, 2021, 8:02 PM
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Re: Because “muh freedoms!”***

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:30 AM
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Who was it that said that people that exchange their liberty for safety deserve neither liberty or safety?

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Re: Because “muh freedoms!”***


Oct 22, 2021, 11:27 AM
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I think it was Benjamin Hamilton. I’m not a historian, though.

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It was George Jefferson, get yo History correct!***


Oct 22, 2021, 11:30 AM
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Re: Because “muh freedoms!”***


Oct 22, 2021, 4:20 PM
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Where would we be today if the founding fathers had said freedom doesn't matter, we'll just continue to be under the mercy of tyranny. There's a reason for the saying give me liberty or give me death and don't tread on me.

The attached flag is credited to Christopher Gadsden, a soldier and politician from South Carolina. He was the Lt. Governor and was elected as Governor but turned it down due to health reasons.

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Re: Because “muh freedoms!”***

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:04 AM
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You must not be a scholar of John Locke or the Police power.

The tradeoff between *safety & security* and freedom (state of nature) is government 101.

I mean we generally trade our freedom to poop in someone else beer so that other can't poop in our beer. But jurisdictions are different and thus Willy B exist for pooping in other peoples beer.

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###? What kind of bars do you frequent?


Oct 22, 2021, 11:07 AM
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I’d rather get the China Virus.

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Re: ###? What kind of bars do you frequent?


Oct 22, 2021, 11:10 AM
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NOT ones in cootlumbia, that is for darn sure...

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:08 AM
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A good basic read for those interested...

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke-political/


As for "consent to the government"


The most direct reading of Locke’s political philosophy finds the concept of consent playing a central role. His analysis begins with individuals in a state of nature where they are not subject to a common legitimate authority with the power to legislate or adjudicate disputes. From this natural state of freedom and independence, Locke stresses individual consent as the mechanism by which political societies are created and individuals join those societies. While there are of course some general obligations and rights that all people have from the law of nature, special obligations come about only when we voluntarily undertake them. Locke clearly states that one can only become a full member of society by an act of express consent (Two Treatises 2.122). The literature on Locke’s theory of consent tends to focus on how Locke does or does not successfully answer the following objection: few people have actually consented to their governments so no, or almost no, governments are actually legitimate. This conclusion is problematic since it is clearly contrary to Locke’s intention.

Locke’s most obvious solution to this problem is his doctrine of tacit consent. Simply by walking along the highways of a country a person gives tacit consent to the government and agrees to obey it while living in its territory. This, Locke thinks, explains why resident aliens have an obligation to obey the laws of the state where they reside, though only while they live there. Inheriting property creates an even stronger bond, since the original owner of the property permanently put the property under the jurisdiction of the commonwealth. Children, when they accept the property of their parents, consent to the jurisdiction of the commonwealth over that property (Two Treatises 2.120).


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Pre-pandemic, I was a libertarian who believed that

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:24 AM
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the government was mostly bad, and that people are generally good and will do the right thing for their fellow man.

The pandemic changed all of that for me. I saw a significant portion of our society focus only on themselves, thumbing their noses at the thought of considering others and doing something for the common good.

I still think the government mostly stinks, but I have a lot less faith in others to be compassionate and selfless now.

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Re: Pre-pandemic, I was a libertarian who believed that

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:38 AM
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Cheers Judge

I would say that I am a classical, bow-tie conservative in the tradition of Buckley... and gasp, I am an academic too.

Now I say I am libertarian but not the western, rancher (kook) style because those that now claim to be "conservative" and anything but nowadays in the political sphere. However, I still have to accommodate that while I believe government *should not* I disagree with those that say the government cant. Sometimes you need rational problem solving to be addressed by a centralized entity. That, can be the government if nothing else exist.

I am very binary in this, either government should act based on the police power (and generally left to the state) or no act. No in between. I believe in unfunded mandates because government should not *bribe* to accomplish politician goals. I am a fan of home-rule and that localities can and should be basically as crazy as they wish but the regulations should evaporate as it moves up.

I shake my head at some of the "banning mandates" actions some places are taking because that is government interference too, sigh.

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Re: Because “muh freedoms!”***

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:19 AM
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You love u some Covid shots. Can see you now riding by Littlejohn with your “I’m a hero, I’m fully vaccinated “ bumper sticker

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that is how Amurica works. especially in this state


Oct 22, 2021, 10:52 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uPoDNEn3I0

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I see that 40 percent no longer agree with personal


Oct 22, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Freedom.

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B/c I wouldn’t want my kid forced to take the vaccine, plus they aren’t an employee of the school

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Nm

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Re: Why are players not mandated for vaccinations...

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:09 AM
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Wouldn't have kept Ngata (or anyone else, for that matter) from testing positive. It's an indisputable fact that none of the vaccines will prevent you from catching or spreading COVID. What they do, however, is minimize the severity of the symptoms in most people (excepting those with other conditions).

I don't know that they're not mandated or even highly encouraged, but either way, age likely has something to do with it if they're not mandated.

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:12 AM
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o2bnclemson
Thanks
well said

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I had 6 people in my office all get covid the same day

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:23 AM
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all 6 were vaccinated which means a vaccinated person gave it to the other 5 vaccinated people. Some had moderna some had pfizer all within 3-4 months. All 6 of us got sick within about 3-4 days. We have a roomy office and at no time were all 6 together.

It was floating around in the air.

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Re: Why are players not mandated for vaccinations...

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Oct 22, 2021, 1:39 PM
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Sorry but you have this wrong.

A vaccination CAN prevent infection, but it doesn't mean a person given the right circumstances(exposure level, health susceptibilities, etc) CAN'T become infected.

A vaccine for the vast majority is a preventative of infection. The virus is immediately rejected from the system because the immune system is charged and ready for the attack. For the remaining people the vaccine has already helped the body develop as much immunity and defenses as possible but it isn't quite enough. Though, for the average healthy individual this is enough to mitigate bad reactions to the infection. But for the very small percentage it's still not enough and they have bad reaction to the virus and wind up hospitalized. Finally, the worst case scenario is the body simply is incapable even with medical treatment of fighting the virus successfully.

We do know the very real facts that NOT being vaccinated is the worst possible way to combat Covid 19.

This has nothing to do with freedoms, rights, or over-reach... just plain simple medical truths. Vaccines work, people survive, and continue to live.

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:11 AM
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I don't believe public schools can mandate that. As far as testing it was originally the case but I believe we now test you whether you are vaccinated or not because it was deemed unfair to just test the un-vaccinated.

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:01 AM
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Yes this discussion was had two months ago when Tyler Davis was pulled for UGA. Clemson tests everyone. My own kid was vax’d for 4 months and tested positive at Clemson. Given the fact that vax’d people are clearly getting it and spreading it, this is a good idea. I think someone said Duke was doing the same thing back then.

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:24 AM
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The University requires weekly (students) and bi-weekly (employees) testing for all – regardless of vaccination status.

Students enrolled at main campus, CU-ICAR and Greenville ONE
Regardless of vaccination status, residential and non-residential students enrolled in classes on main campus and at CU-ICAR are required to submit a negative COVID-19 test within every seven days – either by testing onsite with Rymedi or uploading documentation in the COVID-19 Test Result Upload Tool.

**Students do not need to be tested within 90 days of previous infection with proper information regarding positive test result.

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:28 AM
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Just pretend all our players and recruits arrived over our southern border. That will make you feel better.

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#science***


Oct 22, 2021, 10:54 AM
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Prior to Covid, name ONE vaccine or medical procedure that

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:29 AM
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government institutions could force a person to take!

Rhubella..nope, not mandatory.
Influenza..nope, not mandatory.
Polio..nope, not mandatory.

Why, are we suddenly as a society willing to give governmental bodies the power to force such compliance?

By the way, I am vaccinated but do not believe that the government has the right to force me to do anything to my body. Not a real big fan of Fascism.

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:43 AM
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People don’t care about freedom, they care about what they are told by the news. Hence the comments in here saying the lack of critical thinking equals not getting vaccinated, even though a vaccinated person can catch and spread covid. If a person doesn’t have say over their own body they have say over nothing. Never thought people could get so scared over something they would hand over 100% control over to the biggest idiots in our country who just happen to be in the government

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People should listen to Pfauci.


Oct 22, 2021, 10:55 AM
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He ought to know a lot about the virus. He helped create the #### thing!

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Re: People should listen to Pfauci.

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Oct 22, 2021, 4:02 PM
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And now he's getting rich from the vaccines.

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Oct 22, 2021, 8:48 PM
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What an absolute clown world we are living in.

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I'm pretty sure a lot of vaccines are required for many/most

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:26 AM
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public schools

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Absolutely not true.


Oct 22, 2021, 1:28 PM
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No public school mandates vaccines. My wife is a teacher and has had many families come through who have said no to any vaccines. A school CANNOT force students to get vaccinated.

A school will say "You NEED to get vaccinated before entering Kindergarten." But they cannot prevent a student from going to school if their parent refuse to get them vaccinated.

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:33 AM
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Clemson is an education institution allegedly. If they cannot educate the members of a football team in regard to the Covid-19 vaccine so that the players would voluntarily take the vaccine they really need to stop and reconsider why they are in business to begin with.

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Can you really not see why a healthy 20 YO athlete might

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:38 AM
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choose to NOT get a new, relatively untested vaccine?

An educational institution should teach critical thinking, not WHAT to think.

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Re: Can you really not see why a healthy 20 YO athlete might


Oct 22, 2021, 11:25 AM
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I do not disagree.

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:01 AM
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I read your post and I have reconsidered your post!
It is ludicrous and idiotic and down right stupid!
That Vaccine does not keep you from getting Covid!! Plus some people get the vaccine and die.
They don’t take into account natural immunity for people who have had Covid !
No one knows what the long term affects are but we do know the short term is they are not very affective.
Yet the same people who cry it’s my body my right over abortion( even though another human being is involved) are the same ones saying force people to take the Jab!! I might be just an old red neck but to quote Charlie Daniels “ what we need is a few more Red Necks”

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:09 AM
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Maybe they are educated very well and have seen some of the data showing that heart problems after the vaccine are higher than heart problems after COVID for the teen to early 20s age group.

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Be careful. That’s not what government says.


Oct 22, 2021, 11:29 AM
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Therefore, it’s “misinformation”.

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CLEMSON REQUIRES ALL STUDENTS TO GET TESTED WEEKLY

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Oct 22, 2021, 10:51 AM
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this has been posted many times on tnet

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did you read the OP's post?

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:08 AM
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"My understanding that those with vaccinations are not tested?
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Re: Why are players not mandated for vaccinations...

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:14 PM
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With Freedom comes Responsibility. You can't demand one and scorn the other.
Imagine our troops who served/serve so courageously declining prevaccinations.

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Oct 22, 2021, 11:24 AM
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Yeah because no one gets covid that's vaccinated. This covid paranoia and utter stupidity needs to stop. Wear your mask while in the restroom but go sit in someone's lap at the game and you are good to take it off. People are so gullible that it is laughable. People get the flu all the time but do you see anyone being quarantined? So and so is playing with flu like symptoms. What a joke covid protocol is.

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Oct 22, 2021, 12:53 PM
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I know 3 ppl that have received the vaccination and still contracted Covid.

Mandating this would start a second civil war.

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My body...


Oct 22, 2021, 1:00 PM
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...my choice.

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My car...


Oct 22, 2021, 7:46 PM
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...my speed limit.

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Oct 22, 2021, 1:38 PM
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I do covid testing, believe it or not,

They are not accurate. I have seen many false- positives. That is just me though.

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Oct 22, 2021, 8:54 PM
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tigeron® said:

My understanding that those with vaccinations are not tested?


They are mandated for vaccinations…just not the Covid vax!!!

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That's just plain wrong. Every vaccine is voluntary.


Oct 25, 2021, 11:03 AM
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There has NEVER been a previous vaccine mandate.

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