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To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 7:23 AM
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This is a follow up to a previous post from someone else.
Not everyone is made for college. Life is full of opportunities. My best friend is looking for over the road drivers for his trucks paying them close to $3,000 per week. Plumbers, electricians, home builders make a great living. Find the right trade that you like and one that has space to move up and be great at it.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 7:40 AM
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Why we took trades out of the schools and pumped kids full of pipe dreams and tens of thousands of dollars in student loans is beyond me. Now we have a bunch of adults who never got educated never paid their own way and don't know how to do jack squat with wrecked credit and soul crushing debt. Way to go Dept. Of Edu.
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Politicians learned that Get everyone ready to go to college and be successful
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:26 AM
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Is a good slogan.
Plus teachers and counselors are scared to tell a kid, hey maybe you ought to consider bricklaying instead of rocket science
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 9:20 AM
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As with everything else when Carter got the Feds involved in education it has slowly been in decline. My wife is a teacher and her co workers are trying to get out. She claims it is a mess.
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Reagan was a huge driver of the decline of US higher education
Feb 20, 2024, 11:32 AM
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 9:22 AM
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Yes, I’m a strong advocate of if you’re going to spend the money to go to college and learn to actually “do” something by the time you get out. For example, accounting, engineering, law, medicine, nursing, or teaching. These generalized majors are really not worth a paper they’re printed on.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 10:37 AM
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taking a lot of responsibility from parents to properly raise their kid with a mindset like that.
It isn't a child's fault they lacked guidance and discipline
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:21 AM
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Also, even if you are "good" at school it doesn't mean college is where you need to go.
Learning a trade is 100% the way to go in 2024.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Also, even if you are "good" at school it doesn't mean college is where you need to go.
Learning a trade is 100% the way to go in 2024.
Dang Intrepid something you and I can agree on!
Seen many go the college route and are still behind a good trade job salary wise, in addition to being thousands in the hole in student debt.
Some of the majors offered now equate to no future seeing I can not figure where those jobs even exists.
My son is currently running big equipment and probably doing better than myself. Very proud dad! Looking to start his own deal very soon and he is 22 years old with no college debt!
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:27 AM
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Absolutely correct. I encouraged both my kids to go to college with the caveat that it wasn't mandatory and that there are no guarantees in life. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC techs all make very good livings and they are becoming scarce. I'm in the construction business and do a little surveying with a friend as a side gig. He told me at their last professional meeting that the average age of a surveyor in the US is 60! One, fewer want to get out there and do it. But also the decline is of their own making. You have to work for a licensed surveyor of 9-10 years before you can take the exam. I'll bet that apprenticeship gets shortened in the years to come.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:40 AM
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In my stint in the Army field artillery I had two exceptionally good survey crews.(no satellites no GPS touch of a button back then...one of those crews is still in business, together in north Florida and have made a fortune...oh by the way...they use GPS now and can give you a twelve digit grid reference...never lose a marker again
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
Feb 20, 2024, 10:22 AM
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Absolutely correct. I encouraged both my kids to go to college with the caveat that it wasn't mandatory and that there are no guarantees in life. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC techs all make very good livings and they are becoming scarce. I'm in the construction business and do a little surveying with a friend as a side gig. He told me at their last professional meeting that the average age of a surveyor in the US is 60! One, fewer want to get out there and do it. But also the decline is of their own making. You have to work for a licensed surveyor of 9-10 years before you can take the exam. I'll bet that apprenticeship gets shortened in the years to come.
Sounds like surveyors have a nice pool of workers in training. Hail, even CPA's, engineers, and lawyers don't have to intern for 8 or 9 years. Neither do medical doctors and dentists. Something odd about that licensing period.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
Feb 20, 2024, 10:38 AM
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It is odd. Landscape Architects have to work for a licensed LA for 6 years before they can sit for the exam! It's kind of protectionist if you ask me. They're afraid that the 2-guys and a truck landscapers will be calling themselves landscape architects.
As far as surveyors are concerned, it seems crazy to me as well. I mean, what are you going to learn in year 8 that you haven't done already? But that's why I said that it will probably be shortened. Because there isn't that pool of workers. Granted, with GPS and robotics the job is easier, but you still have to get out there and tromp around in some ungodly places. And as far as GPS is concerned, it's great when you can get a signal. Not so much when you can't.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
Feb 20, 2024, 10:39 AM
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what are you talking about medical doctors don't have to intern?
They have residencies for 3 - 8 years depending on their specialty.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:47 PM
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I did not say doctors don't have residencies.
Dr's don't have to do 8 or 9 or 10 years though. Of course they have residencies but I believe we call them doctor after med school (4 years) and I assume they are licensed at that time.
Point is why do surveyors have a 9-10 year training period.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:46 AM
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There will always be a need for the “trades”. Technology will not repair your car, unclog a pipe, wire a new circuit or frame your house. I knew I didn’t want to go to college. I’m retired along with my wife( no college either) and we are doing just fine and happy as we can be.
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Those crossing the wide open border will fill those jobs.***
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 9:25 AM
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In my opinion, it’s not even whether or not someone is cut out for college. The cost of college often doesn’t justify what you’ll make after college. Even for some of the smartest people, it’s not a good financial decision at today’s costs, especially an out of state school.
You have to be making a lot to dig yourself out of the often 6 figure debt hole.
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Get an art degree for 60k, tape a banana to a wall, sell it for 120k. Profit.***
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Re: Get an art degree for 60k, tape a banana to a wall, sell it for 120k. Profit.***
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Feb 20, 2024, 10:41 AM
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Do you ever seek a source of entertainment?
If so, you should appreciate people with art degrees.
Would be a fairly drab existence with out them.
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Re: Get an art degree for 60k, tape a banana to a wall, sell it for 120k. Profit.***
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Feb 20, 2024, 11:40 AM
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Kinda painted with a broad brush there.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 10:49 AM
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There is certainly a ROI that isn't quite there. All the talk of student loan forgiveness is ridiculous. Someone spends a ton of money on a French Literature degree and complains they can't get a job to pay off the loan? Sucks to be you.
Living out of state people would ask me why my children didn't go to Clemson. My reply has been the same each time:
I grew up 15 miles from Clemson. I have two degrees from there. I love it. My hearts bleeds orange. But I can say with all honesty that a Clemson education for 4 years is not worth $200,000 (out of state $50,000 per year). What degree program does Clemson offer where the ROI would be justified?
Student loans should be handed out just like any other loan. Not only based on your need, but also based on your ability to pay it back. And that would mean you would get a loan for some degree programs and not others. But that would mean the institution would not be getting all that cash. Can't have that.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:55 PM
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No doubt higher ed's a business now more than ever. Totally dependent on growing the customer base just like insurance, construction, vehicle sales, you name it.
Trades are really no different but few people want to get their hands dirty now.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 10:21 AM
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We raised our kids to understand that they would
have to support themselves when they became adults. We offered to pay for college but did not push them in that direction. The caveat was that we were only paying for 4 years to encourage them to major in something that would provide the opportunity for a good job right out of school. Both of them majored in civil engineering, participated in summer internships and got very good jobs after graduation. Had they decided to go to a trade school we would have paid for that too. As long as they were working toward something that would provide a living for them and their families.
We need skilled tradespeople. And we need to recognize their skills and be willing to pay a fair price for their time and skills. What’s really ironic is that these smug folks with all the letters after their names and no ability to do things or even think for themselves are the very people who need them the most.
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Don't underestimate the value of a 2-year degree from Tech.
Feb 20, 2024, 10:31 AM
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There are many professions to go into that only require a technical college degree that pay $25/hour and up.
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Re: Don't underestimate the value of a 2-year degree from Tech.
Feb 20, 2024, 1:40 PM
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A friend's daughter who dropped out of college after one year made over $75,000 last year selling mattresses.
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Re: To those who are not cut out for college
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Feb 20, 2024, 11:47 AM
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I saw an interview with a girl from some university up north wanting student loan forgiveness. She was 250k in debt with a degree in Hellenistic Studies. What kind of job are you going to get with that? At best maybe a museum somewhere making 25-30k?
I see Starbucks Barista in her future.
I told my son when he graduated that he would be better off going to trade school instead of college, as stated on here multiple times you can make good money in the trades. The idea you need a degree to hit 6 figures is false, I know many tradesmen that pull that in and more.
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