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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108309]
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Rwanda? really?
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May 5, 2025, 5:17 PM
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I guess there's not enough room in the El Salvador crap prison, so what's the next crappiest place we can send them?
This is all about deterrence, and this is how Trump is lowering the border crossings. Get caught in the US, and get sent to a gulag in El Salvador, or perhaps worse, Rwanda in Africa.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c367g52x7l6o
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Rwanda? really?
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May 5, 2025, 5:25 PM
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Hell of a deterrent for illegally entering this nation. We have laws for a purpose and with the lack of enforcement has emboldened some to take advantage. Come here legally and without malice and enjoy the bounty and freedoms provided. Come here illegally and you may find yourself in a ######## prison. Seems logical.
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Campus Hero [13420]
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Perhaps you might enjoy some Rwandan prison time if you dont
May 5, 2025, 5:56 PM
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want to follow the constitution.
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Perhaps you might enjoy some Rwandan prison time if you dont
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May 5, 2025, 6:13 PM
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I am not entering foreign countries illegally nor committing violent crimes in said countries. The debate for what rights these criminals have continues to rage. I tend to side that these alien criminals do not have the same inalienable rights as US citizens. I applaud this administration for trying to get ahold of this scourge and get these criminals out. If the threat of a Rwandan prison deters these scumbags all the better. We can agree to disagree on this.
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Ultimate Tiger [34955]
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The Constitution clearly says any person in the US is entitled to due process...
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May 5, 2025, 6:31 PM
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Are you saying you disagree with that and thus support not obeying the law because you don't agree with it or are you saying that the Constitution doesn't actually say that?
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Letterman [178]
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Re: The Constitution clearly says any person in the US is entitled to due process...
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May 5, 2025, 6:35 PM
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I agree with the late great Judge Scalia who said and I will quote, “Due process does not invest any alien with a right to enter the United States, nor confer on those admitted the right to remain against the national will.”
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Ultimate Tiger [34955]
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Right...but what he said is that they deserve due process for...
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May 5, 2025, 6:44 PM
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deportation but that they aren't afforded the right to stay in the US if they weren't legally entitled to.
So...can you answer my question directly?
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Clemson Conqueror [11503]
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The Suspension Clause in the US Constitution - legal path re HC rights
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May 5, 2025, 9:08 PM
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HC = Habeus Corpus.
Habeus Corpus is the right to a fair trial.
The Suspension Clause, which is designed as a temporary power granted to the president, is a Constitutionally legitimate path for the suspension of Habeus Corpus to be used in limited circumstances and to a limited ‘group’ of people. The Suspension Clause must be approved by Congress; the Supreme Court has no say in the Suspension Clause as applies to Habeus Corpus.
Suspension of Habeus Corpus has been applied a few times, most recently by FDR for, I believe, internment of Japanese Americans. Although in the case of the WWII Japanese Americans, we know in hindsight that this was wrong. However, FDR and Congress believed that America could not bear 5he risk of being wrong and having Japanese spies at-large in America after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
For America today, Biden’s handlers I’m effect invited hundreds of thousands, if not 1+ million, illegal alien criminals into America. Enacting tge Suspension Clause with respect to Habeus Corpus for illegal alien criminals would be the best course of action for protecting native Americans (and also non-violent illegal aliens) from harm.
I suspect that, before l9ng, discussions about deploying the Suspendion Clause will make its way to Congress.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52822]
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so the deportations of illegals w/o due process could be legal if Congress
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May 5, 2025, 10:16 PM
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sez so, which they haven't done yet. Yet another Congressional oversight they haven't performed, but good to know they have that option, and would be wise to exercise. Also, too bad they haven't done that yet, which I guess means the deportations so far w/o due process are in violation of the Constitution.
All of Trumps' bold moves that haven't received Congressional approval Yet are testing limits, and were initiated with haste, w/o confirming (or desiring to) a firm legal standing. Thanks, Mr Miller.
This is a "throw #### on the wall and see what sticks strategy, across the spectrum of Trump's 100 days so far. Too bad Congress, both parties but mostly Pubs, since they have majorities, haven't had the gumption to step up and exert their responsibility. Once again, Congress can't figure out which way the wind is blowing, to chart their course of action.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108309]
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Times of national emergency? Like too many Americans overdosing on drugs?
May 6, 2025, 6:39 AM
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Or maybe our movie industry is in decline? Or maybe an invasion of gangs. Drugs? Ahhh... Then you have the trade crisis. Egg crisis. Debt crisis.
Trump has a contrived crisis in his pocket for every unconstitutional edict he wants to foist.
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Ultimate Tiger [34955]
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That first part is incorrect...
May 6, 2025, 8:40 AM
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the Suspension clause is under Article I, which is the section on Congress/Legislative powers and section 9 is generally the limitations on the government - specifically Congress.
It's interpreted as Congress has the power to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Congress can also delegate this power to the President via legislation. But this was NOT a tool "designed as a temporary power granted to the president." It's not a power given to the POTUS at all in the Constitution.
Second, the clause calls for it to be used only under Cases of Rebellion or Invasion. Neither of those apply to illegal immigration.
(I have to put a disclaimer now...believing the law and Constution should be followed when dealing with illegal immigration does not mean I support illegal immigration, freeing criminals, an open border, or any of the other stupid crap that is getting said in general in this debate. I'm a hard-liner on a secure border and also following the law in terms of people here illegally shouldn't be kept her by not following the law.)
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Perhaps you might enjoy some Rwandan prison time if you dont
May 6, 2025, 10:13 AM
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In the instance, yes. So what? We've amended the constitution before. Let's amend it again. This time specifying what rights you don't have if you illegally enter our country. Possibly multiple times. Commit heinous crimes against the populace to include rape and murder. I think this is a debate worth having. But the moons on the left won't have it. You know lively debate in the town square in order to form a more perfect union. Get off your high horse. I took an oath to defend this constitution against enemies foreign and domestic and have no qualms calling out it short comings.
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Tiger Titan [48629]
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So you want to amend the Bill of Rights?
May 6, 2025, 10:18 AM
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And you think defending the BoR is being on a "high horse"?
Do you feel the same way about amending the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th, and 10th amendments?
I took an oath to defend this constitution against enemies foreign and domestic and have no qualms calling out it short comings.
Then maybe, you know, keep defending it.
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Letterman [178]
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Re: So you want to amend the Bill of Rights?
May 6, 2025, 10:26 AM
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I already said how I feel multiple times. So stuff it. Illegal alien criminals shouldn't be protected under the blanket of freedom my forefathers and myself helped provide. I don't give a #### what you say. I just dont.
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Tiger Titan [48629]
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Okay, that's cool.
May 6, 2025, 10:30 AM
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The Constitution and SCOTUS also don't give a #### what you say, so looks like you're done here. You're entitled to your wrong opinion but not your wrong facts.
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Tnet loves them some criminals***
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May 5, 2025, 6:01 PM
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Game Changer [1939]
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Indeed, MAGA elected one.***
May 5, 2025, 6:34 PM
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Errbody deserves a 2nd chance
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May 5, 2025, 6:01 PM
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Speaking to Rwandan TV on Sunday, Nduhungirehe said the government was in the "spirit" of giving "another chance to migrants who have problems across the world".
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Re: Rwanda? really?
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May 5, 2025, 7:01 PM
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We already know OST is low on the mental health scale based on science. Probably not worth arguing.
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Re: Rwanda? really?
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May 5, 2025, 8:53 PM
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America should be under no obligation to send illegal aliens back to their own country.
The illegal aliens, allegedly, left their native country of their own accord. We didn’t officially invite them to come here (although we know that, unofficially, Biden’s handlers and Mayorkas invited them in); therefore our only obligation is to evict them. We are frequently accommodative enough to offer to send them back to their native country; sometimes their native country doesn’t cooperate as far as taking them back, or makes the arrangements difficult.
Trump haters, 8nsincere as usual, suggest that America must keep the illegals here, whether on the loose, impunity orisons, or out on release until we decide until some other path for dealing with them. Doing it this is way is a burdensome expense 5hat Biden’s handlers’ foisted upon us.
Rwanda is a lower cost option for prisons than the USA. The illegals that we are s3nding there are not just breakers of our immigration laws, they are true criminals. Prison capacity is needed. It is not available right now. No more government renting of Marriott and Hilton rooms (at taxpayer expense) to hold these illegal alien criminals in the USA.
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Tiger Titan [48629]
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Y'all sure do come up with creative ways to defend concentration camps
May 6, 2025, 7:49 AM
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Let's be honest: That's what you all want for an end game.
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Anyone arrested on the charge of being here illegally must get due process to prove that they are actually here illegally. You support skipping this and if citizens or others are deported when they have a legal claim, you're like Oh well. 😆
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Clemson Conqueror [11349]
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You're right - it is ALL about deterrence. "Do you mean if I sneak into the US,
May 6, 2025, 8:20 AM
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get caught, and my country of origin won't take me back - they might send me to Rwanda? I ain't going to sneak in there!"
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