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Orange Phenom [14886]
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One of the many many reasons Donny is unfit to lead anyone
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Jun 25, 2025, 11:54 AM
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Our own military unit responsible for BDA is saying the bombing was not 100% successful yet he's STILL running off at the mouth about "total obliteration". No one is perfect and no operation goes EXACTLY as planned. A real leader with emotional maturity doesn't shy away from honest and true performance reporting. If all of your objectives were not met you have to acknowledge that before you can pivot and come up with a new plan to achieve your goal. All donny cares about is looking like a big tough guy at press conferences; he's too much of a baby to admit something needs to be done differently or followed up on. That is not leadership.
Before you MAGA idiots chime in no I'm NOT happy that all our objectives in this mission were not met. The world is a safer place if Iran never attains nuclear capabilities. We all have the same goal; I just wish we had more competent leadership in service of that goal.
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TigerNet Icon [154243]
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Sure, but NC_Tiger has studied these weapons and rock compositions
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:07 PM
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extensively on the internet. Have YOU?
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Campus Hero [13729]
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He is the master of internet research .***
Jun 25, 2025, 12:11 PM
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read it and weep dumba$$es
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:56 PM
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Yeah, I am an expert in this also. Why do you feel so inferior? It's okay, really it is. You can always call me a racist.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Which "unit" was that?***
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:10 PM
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Do you have a link of their report?***
Jun 25, 2025, 12:35 PM
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Recruit [66]
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So, that's a "no".***
Jun 25, 2025, 2:40 PM
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Paw Master [16840]
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So, therefore, what?***
Jun 25, 2025, 3:26 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [38138]
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It's a big "no"...these commies are idiots***
Jun 25, 2025, 4:01 PM
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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The AP, BBC, CNN, Foxnews, and even Trump himself have confirmed the report
Jun 25, 2025, 4:38 PM
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Do you need someone to drive to your house and hand deliver it for you to believe it exists?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [109405]
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Every good authoritarian needs one. Ours just happens to also be hawt.
Jun 25, 2025, 12:22 PM
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Orange Blooded [2166]
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Too chunky***
Jun 25, 2025, 5:18 PM
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Short of a ground invasion, this is all a guess.
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Cuts to the heart of why it was BS to say bombing them was about Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. Sounds like best case scenario, it set them back a few months and worst case, it incentivizes them to speed up obtaining a nuke so people quit bombing them.
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Varsity [106]
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You are only able to guess
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:57 PM
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at anything. We all know that by now.
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Varsity [106]
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You don't know what you are talking about
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Jun 25, 2025, 12:54 PM
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Go get yourself some learnin' if you want to post.
Everything is characterized in terms of probabilities. Prior to the mission, probabilities of many elements are calculated/estimated such as the probability of -Aircraft arrival -Weapon delivery on the aimpoint -Weapon orientation and velocity at the aimpoint -Weapon detonation
Then the target characterization has probabilities, since we were not able to sink a cone penetrometer into the soil/rock. So geological layer thickness and materials are estimated with ranges as are the structural details of the facility itself. The structure layout in addition to concrete thicknesses and strength will be modeled/simulated with ranges.
So there is no "answer" to the analysis. The answers are based in the context of probabilities. There's a X% probability of [insert adjective] structural damage. Or they might say, if the Facility looks exactly like this, there's a X% probability of [insert adjective] structural damage. In this case, the X will likely be a much better (higher) figure since some of the uncertainties were removed.
So there are literally an unlimited number of answers based on the assumptions put into the prediction.
The big brains will update the simulations based on 'ground truth' knowledge, such as the actual aimpoints and whether or not they all detonated, which we know because planes were there. All these delivery uncertainties can be removed and the analysis gets 'better.'
All of this is 'open source' info. You can dig and find it if you want. But I have worked around this chit for a long time.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Of course I don't no one does but you
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:01 PM
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BTW tldr
One question if the assessment was wrong why are Trumps henchmen so pissed it got leaked?
Number 2 Why did the briefing before congress tomorrow get postpone?
PS I gave you a TD just for poops and snickers
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Varsity [106]
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No it is more like you read
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:04 PM
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but don't understand because it is techno-speak. I tried to dumb it down for you, but ...
Trump says the assessment put probabilities on low damage and high damage, but that MSM is not concerned about the high damage part. It's believable.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Giving you TDs is fun now that I know that it makes your vaj hurt***
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:08 PM
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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I know people at DIA
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:14 PM
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and, yes, I am more of an expert than some of them.
Just because someone has a label does not mean they know what they are talking about. Imagine that.
They *should* have access to the Air Force intelligence. They *should* have access to their own MIDB (modernized integrated database) with target info. They do have experts at doing these sorts of things.
But not sure who did the analysis, what info they used, what experience they have etc. You'd hope they put the A Team on this, but we just don't know.
Plus there could some loonybird leftwinger in there making stuff up because he has incurable TDS.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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I know people at NASCAR
Jun 25, 2025, 1:18 PM
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Doesn't make me Joey Logano
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LOL!
Jun 25, 2025, 3:19 PM
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I'm not sure you realize just how entertaining this is.
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Varsity [106]
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CNN says
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:10 PM
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Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.” Another source said that the intelligence assessed enriched uranium was moved out of the sites prior to the US strikes.
This is bullchit and is pulling the strings of you low information voters. What does it even mean to "destroy" Uranium? Vaporize it? There is no way to destroy a metal.
Unless there is HUMINT, no way to know the centrifuges are largely intact unless someone can still 'hear' them running. There ain't no way they are still running. So I call bullchit on that point.
Who knows whether or not they moved the Uranium, but what we should know is that US intelligence people were watching 24/7, so someone knows the answer.
I will also say that in the spirit of government waste, there are a number of 'authorities' that do battle damage assessment. There can be more than one opinion.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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The defense intelligence agency said all of those things
Jun 25, 2025, 1:12 PM
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I ask again do you know more than them?
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Varsity [106]
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See above, and you can bet if the Air Force
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:17 PM
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did not 'publish' reports on the attack details, they will NOT be giving the details to the DIA. Thus, if you read and understood the above, the DIA would be working with more uncertainty in their analysis.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Cool got it
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:19 PM
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Rando no name on Tigernet knows more than a military intelligence agency. We got you hoss.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Ooh he gave me a TD
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:35 PM
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Varsity [106]
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Just because I got it and you don't
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:37 PM
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isn't a reason to pout. Ask Cata about my impressive background - he knows.
And, you have proven you can't read and understand plain english. I said I know some people at DIA, and I am 'smarter' than many of them. Am I sitting at an Intellink terminal, able to see the latest and greatest intelligence - no. Can I run the analysis they should be running? Not on my personal laptop that is for sure. But I am intimately familiar with their workflow, tools they use, and the science behind targeting and weaponeering.
DIA are government employees, you understand. Some are full-time military, but yes with a PhD in engineering, I know more technical info and can understand it better than 98% of the people on the planet. This particular area, however, has nothing to do with having a PhD, I have personal experience in these areas.
Can we cease fire on the TDs? LOL
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Always explaining how smart you are is definitely a habit of intelligent people***
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:46 PM
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Varsity [106]
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yeah, ### am I supposed to say
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:49 PM
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The idiot is making a fool of himself just like you.
I am posting legit information and doing it in an objective and polite manner for the most part until you ufcking idiots start your big mouths running, spewing bullchit like always.
He's the one asking questions. I answered.
You are a dumba$$ that didn't graduate college, right? Did you get a GED?
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Oculus Spirit [40285]
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No, Im an actual doctor***
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Psh, you don't have a Tigernet declared PhD?! MDs are dumb, look at Covid.***
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Oculus Spirit [40285]
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Whered he go?***
Jun 25, 2025, 2:28 PM
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She ran away for good.***
Jun 26, 2025, 1:13 PM
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Fine just answer one last question honestly
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Jun 25, 2025, 1:52 PM
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Did Donald Trump have enough information mere hours after the completion of the mission to say unequivocally that the target had been completely destroyed and the mission was a 100% success?
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Probably not
Jun 25, 2025, 1:57 PM
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and I said it to everyone I spoke with about it. Trump was (and still may be) overstating the damage that soon after the strike. But we don't know what we don't know.
Consider this...if there were one or more covert sensors inside the facility (like in the room with the centrifuges) when the bombs hit, the sensors could have exfiltrated info about the conditions in key areas inside the facility before it might have been destroyed (if it collapsed).
This scenario is not far-fetched.
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Orange Phenom [14886]
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Seems like definitely not
Jun 25, 2025, 2:05 PM
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If my feeble mind can comprehend all the "techno-speak" you posted it sounds like it takes days/weeks/months of analysis before any analyst worth their salt will even give a preliminary assessment. Trump spoke from the hip in the same boastful manner he speaks about everything and now is fighting fiercely against anyone who would contradict his off the cuff assurances.
PS ive got degrees in both economics and engineering from this here fine university; I'm pretty sure I can manage to understand your fancy high tech words.
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I get it
Jun 25, 2025, 2:08 PM
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I was coming back at Charleston and won't be a five year old and tell you that you are an idiot for telling us how smart you are. 
Honestly, the large majority of people on here are pretty with it. Even the Libs of TNet, but don't quote me on that.
We agree "Trump spoke from the hip in the same boastful manner he speaks about everything." I was just trying to make the point that there are many different ways to describe what might have happened.
People with a political motive can pick a way that 'meets their needs' (like Trump did)
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I'll just be more clear on this
Jun 25, 2025, 2:05 PM
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I believe Trump said "obliterate" since his original press conference.
I believe that is a Trump-ism - a grandiose exaggeration. I suppose you'd call it a lie. But that's how he talks about most everything.
And, yes, I agree he is a "baby" about stuff like this. He doesn't want to be doubted and his ego is too big, which is a huge understatement.
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So WTH have you been arguing about??***
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Yeah, I certainly don't know. But Trump has no credibility here, and it's not
Jun 25, 2025, 3:34 PM
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just because he's Trump.
Just human nature.
He's acting like the guy that launches a three and is yelling at you to count it while it's still going up...but then yelling at you that you don't have to look at the hoop, he just told you what happened. It is hard to swallow. And then when a report comes out questioning the efficacy of the bombing, they just start shouting it down. Like all the cool kid's little minions repeatedly calling someone stupid for questioning the cool kid in a bad teen movie. There's no "Those were preliminary reports, but this subsequent analysis and intel shows complete destruction." It's all "WHO SAID THAT YOU CAN'T LEAK THEY ARE FAILING IT WENT PERFECT NOBEL PEACE PRICE NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH STUPID HEAD!"
Maybe it went perfectly. I hope it went perfectly. That's just not how normal people act when they are trying to say that something that DID go perfectly...went perfectly.
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Citing a bunch of probability models kinda reinforces that Trump is full of ####
Jun 25, 2025, 2:10 PM
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Was the point of bombing them to achieve a non-zero percent chance they can't produce weapons grade uranium?
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Re: One of the many many reasons Donny is unfit to lead anyone
Jun 26, 2025, 8:40 PM
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Have you read what was released from the BDA?
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