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Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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The 51(17+17+17) & 153 numerical patterns found all throughout the Bible in relation to the 2nd coming are tied directly to Michael the Archangel.
The cumulative alphabetic value of "Michael" is 51 or 17+17+17.
M = 13th letter
I = 9th letter
C = 3rd letter
H = 8th letter
A = 1st letter
E = 5th letter
L = 12th letter. Add them up & you get 51 or 17+17+17.
Matthew 24:31; Matthew = 7 letters so 7+2+4+3+1 = 17
Mark 13:27; Mark = 4 letters so 4+1+3+2+7 = 17
Luke 21:28; Luke = 4 letters so 4+2+1+2+8 = 17
All 3 verses deal with His return.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1+16 = 17, then verse 17, then add the 4 to the 13 letters in "Thessalonians" to get the other 17. 3×17 = 51.
Same event. Same numbers. This pattern stretches from Genesis to Revelation.
"Michael The Archangel" has a cumulative alphabetic value of 153. "Michael" as demonstrated above comes to 51. "The" comes to 33. And "Archangel" comes to 69. 51+33+69 = 153.
Michael is the pre incarnate Christ. He is the Angel mentioned in Isaiah 63:9 Who is a saviour & redeemer. According to Isaiah 43:11, God is the only saviour. So if that Angel isn't God, you got yourself a major contradiction.
He is not a "regular" created angel. He is the Creator manifested physically. It's why Deuteronomy 34 says that the Lord buried Moses but Jude says Michael contended with Satan over his body. Michael means "who is like God" & "gift from God". In John chapter 4, verse 10, Christ says:
John 4:10
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10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the GIFT OF GOD, AND WHO IT IS that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
In Exodus 23:20-21 God sends an Angel Who has His name in Him. In John 5:43 Christ says He came in His Father's name. In John 10:25 He says He does works in His Father's name.
In Daniel chapter 10, verses 5 thru 7, after 21(7+7+7) days, Daniel sees a man who matches the description of Christ in Revelation 1:13-15. Daniel falls on his face like John did (Revelation 1:17). The people with Daniel flee to hide themselves just like the people do in Revelation 6:15-17. In this same chapter, Michael comes to help Gabriel after 21(7+7+7) days. Jesus's 2nd coming is at 777(seals, trumpets, vials). Daniel saw Michael, fell on his face & then Gabriel came to talk to him. Michael was with Gabriel because as he tells you at the end of the chapter, He had come to help him.
The Lord is a man of war (Exodus 15:3). And Christ wages war in righteousness (Revelation 19:11). Yet who is fighting the war in Revelation 12:7? Michael. And here they are called Michael's angels. Yet in John 1:51 they're called God's angels. And in Matthew 24:30-31 & Mark 13:26-27 they're called the Son of Man's angels. And in 2 Thessalonians 1:7 they're called Jesus's angels. So Who do they belong to? A man cannot serve 2 masters, let alone 3. And if heaven is God's home & He is a man of war then why is Michael leading the charge in battle?
Who is it that "stands up" in Daniel 12 verse 1? Michael. Doesn't standing up imply that He was seated? Isn't Jesus seated? (Hebrews 12:2). By the way, Gabriel isn't seated, he STANDS before God. (Luke 1:19)
There's only 1 mediator between God & man (1 Timothy 2:5) & that 1 mediator Who is offering up our prayers to God the Father in Revelation 8 is called "another angel". In Revelation 18 this "another angel" comes down with great power & glory like Jesus does in Matthew 24:30. And He lights up the world just like Christ does in John 8:12 & Matthew 24:27. (see also Ezekiel 43:2)
In Revelation 7, this "another angel" is coming from the east just like Christ does in Matthew 24:27. (see also Ezekiel 43:1-4)
This is the same "angel" Who fed Elijah supernaturally in 1 Kings 19. And He promises to feed the church supernaturally too (Revelation 2:17). This is the same "angel" & Captain of God's Armies (host in KJB) Who told Moses & Joshua to take their shoes off because they were on holy ground. (Exodus 3:1-5 & Joshua 5:13-15) If He is the Captain of the Armies of heaven, then the Armies follow Him (Revelation 19:14).
In the KJB the word "archangel" is only used twice. It is attributed to Michael one of those times (Jude 9) The other time it's used is:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
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16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Why does Jesus have the voice of the archangel? Because His pre incarnate name was Michael. By the way; "archangel" is the 17th word in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Thessalonians = 13 letters plus chapter 4 = 17. 1+16(book # plus verse #) = 17. That's 3 17's or 51 tied to this verse where archangel is mentioned. And as I stated above, "Michael" has a cumulative alphabetic value of 51 or 17+17+17. And if you add the word #s 1 thru 17(archangel is 17th word) (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17) you get 153; the cumulative alphabetic value of "Michael The Archangel".
The cults only get this partially right by linking Jesus to Michael. But where they go off the rails is when they claim that He is a created "regular angel". As I demonstrated earlier in this post, if that Angel in Isaiah 63:9 is a saviour, then He has to be God (Isaiah 43:11). I do not pray to Michael nor do I pray to God the Father thru Michael nor will I ever. And I do not recommend you doing so either. Acts chapter 4 is my justification for this:
Acts 4:10-12
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10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
But man made, organized "christian" church culture botches this teaching badly and so do the cults who use it to deny His deity. We are to test all things by the Book, not by what conclusions our denominations & "friends" demand we reach.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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Plus, if you scramble the letters in Michael, you get helicam.
Hovering over all of us, seeing and recording all that we do. It's in the letters. The connection is obvious for those with eyes to see.
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Apr 18, 2025, 5:28 PM
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Or hit a 1 iron well.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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There is medication for this. Seek help call 911
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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Those numbers are also in sports illustrated magazine
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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Of course you lost credibility with the caption and I did not read the thesis, but if the Lord wanted that to be known it would not take a math major to figure it out.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 5:17 PM
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As Mr. Wonderful would say, how long will you be visiting Earth ?
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 5:27 PM
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You read my mind.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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I stopped reading after the first couple of sentences. If you are referring somehow to the second coming of Christ, According to the words of Jesus, Himself; no one knows, not even the Son who sits at the right side of The Father. It wasn't meant for us little mortal folks to figure out, just be prepared, because we know not the time. I do believe this however; we are seeing the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, right before our eyes.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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What aspects are we seeing? Not refuting anything. Just wondering.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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The persecution of the Christian Church, which is going to get much worse, and Israel. My son is coming in to visit for Easter. I expect a friendly family knock down drag out about this subject. I won't get into my specific beliefs about whats happening in Gaza, because I don't want to get into a political discussion on the main board. Wars, rumors of wars, I believe we are on the edge of WW III. Say what you want about Trump, but I really believe he's trying to avoid that. I just hate that he's rubbing elbows with a ruthless dictator to do it. Natural disasters seem to be occurring more often. All prophesied in The Bible. Maybe it's just my imagination.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 6:42 PM
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I don't know where your faith lies, but search out end time prophecies. They're not just in revelations. They can even be found in many of the Old Testament books. Be careful of who is doing the narration, because some can get pretty far out there. Might want to check out Billy Graham, his material is probably dated, but still good stuff. Jonathan Cahn has done a lot on the subject, but I haven't read all that he has done. He's got several videos on Youtube.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 7:11 PM
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Genesis 49
King James Version
49 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Last days...16 verses later...
Genesis 49:17
King James Version
17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
John Nelson Darby, the father of modern dispensationalism, fell from a horse & was seriously injured in 1827. During his recovery is when he developed his doctrines that separate the church & Israel, thereby creating the modern spiritual tribe of Dan.
In the OT, the tribe of Dan rejected their allotment of land (coasts went out to little to suit them/Joshua 19:47) in Israel. They became impatient for an inheritance (sought out/Judges 18:1) and instead, forcefully conquered a large land of plenty inhabited by Zidonian (Jezebel home land) immigrants known as Laish (Leshem). Here Dan set up a false religion that borrowed some aspects of true worship. For instance, they insisted on having a Levite hireling.
The thing that has been shall be & there's nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). The things in the OT serve as examples for us today in the NT (1 Corinthians 10:6 & 11).
In the NT, the spiritual tribe of Dan (dispensationalists) rejects their allotment within the Israel of God by teaching that the church is separate from Israel. The NT Danites are impatient (pre tribulation rapture) for their inheritance (salvation) so they too resort to force (AIPAC/Zionist politics/middle eastern wars) to bring about their inheritance.
The NT Danites have used their heresies to spiritually conquer a large land of plenty inhabited by immigrants called America. America is largely under the control of the Jezebel (Zidonian) spirit of feminism. Here in America, the spiritual Danites have set up a false religion known as evangelicalism. Similar to their OT brethren, this false religion mingles some truth with a whole lot of heresy.
In Revelation 7, Dan has no inheritance (salvation) among the tribes of Israel. This is easily understood when we take into consideration what the NT Danites (dispensationalists) teach & how they debauch the Scriptures & what the Bible prescribes for such debauchery.
The modern Danites doctrines violate the commands given in Revelation 22:18-19 by adding & taking away from Scripture, especially the book of Revelation & the de facto erasure of Matthew 24 & Mark 13 to name a few. Revelation 22 verse 19 promises removal from the book of life for those who take away from the book. There's your answer as to why Dan is missing from Revelation 7's "roll call".
This of course also dovetails with the warning that Peter gave in 2 Peter 3:15-16 about those who misunderstand Paul & twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. Destruction y'all, NOT, "if you like your heresy you can keep your heresy". That's the Danites (dispensationalists) in a nutshell. Flee the heresies of the Danites while you still can.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 7:31 PM
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Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love The Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
You can bang on what you know all you want, and you may be right, I don't know, but I figure if I follow the great commandment, and believe He died for my sins, everything else will fall into place. One day I will stand face to face with our Lord and Savior, and He might say; you know that fishrice guy was right, and if He does, that's Okay too.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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At the resurrection/rapture we get SINLESS immortal bodies. Death is swallowed up in victory...the sting of death is sin. But in the meantime we must forgive the sins of our brother (& vice versa) until 70×7 (Matthew 18:21-22).
70×7 = total fulfillment of Daniel's 70th week. Which means nobody is getting a sinless body prior to or in the middle of Daniel's 70th week.
If the pre trib rapture was true, we would only have to forgive the sins of our brother until 69×7, but the Text says 70×7.
If mid trib rapture was true we would only have to forgive our brothers' sins until 69.5×7, but the Text says 70×7.
If preterism was true, we wouldn't still be required to forgive sins today because 70×7 would already have happened & we would all be in sinless immortal bodies. Sinless bodies = no sin = no requirement to forgive.
Noah got on the ark in Genesis 7:7. Genesis is a 7 letter word so Noah got on the ark at 777. It will be the same way for the church. At 777 (seals/trumpets/vials) we'll "get on the ark".
In Daniel chapter 10 Daniel was in mourning for 3 full weeks & then he sees Christ. 3 weeks = 21 days = 7+7+7 days; and then Daniel sees Christ. It will be the same for the church. We'll be in mourning until 777 (seals/trumpets/vials) & then we will see Christ.
In Luke 2:36-37 Anna goes into the temple "in an instant" (foreshadowing the twinkling of an eye) to serve day & night (Revelation 7:15 foreshadow) & go no more out (Revelation 3:12 foreshadow) when she is 77+7. She meets Christ face to face at 77+7. It will be the same way for the church. We won't go into the temple to serve day & night (Revelation 7:15) & go no more out (Revelation 3:12) until 777. We won't meet Him face to face until 777...seals/trumpets/vials.
In 2 Thessalonians 2 verse 2 in the KJB, "day of Christ" is the 27th, 28th, & 29th words in the verse. 27+28+29 = 84 = 77+7...seals, trumpets, vials...the day of Christ isn't an early escape. There is also exactly 84 (77+7) words in the first 3 verses of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 in the KJB.
"that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
That's 84 or 77+7 words; seals, trumpets & vials. No early escape is coming.
Rest & repose (Noah) comes after 777 (Lamech). Seals, trumpets, & vials.
In Haggai chapter TWO verse ONE, the Word of the Lord comes on the 21st (7+7+7) day of the month. Jesus is the Word of God & He will come to us at 777 as well.
Ruth (gentile bride) kept fast by Boaz's (Boaz, type of Christ) maidens (Matthew 25) and waited with Naomi (Jew) until both, the barley & the wheat harvests were over. Ruth did not vacate earth before the wheat harvest. Ruth did not marry Boaz before the wheat harvest. And Ruth & Boaz did not elope in the middle of the night.
In Judges 9, the people of Thebez (shining city》Matthew 5) had their city conquered by Abimelech (type of beast) and they had to run to the strong tower (God》Proverbs 18:10). They did not go UP (resurrection/rapture) in the strong tower (God) until Abimelech (beast) came to wage war (Armageddon) against the tower (God).
Rahab & her gentile household were not rescued out of Jericho 7 years or 7 days before the battle came to Jericho (mystery Babylon). They were rescued only AFTER the 7th trumpet blasts (Revelation 11:15-18) and on the same day Jericho fell (Revelation 18).
Gideon & his 300 who lapped water (Living) like dogs (gentiles) did not flee earth. They surrounded the enemy camp and blowed trumpets (Revelation 8-11), broke pitchers and let their lamps shine (Matthew 25) as God discomfitted the enemy.
No early escape of any kind is coming and nothing in Scripture supports the doctrine of devils known as the pre tribulation rapture.
HARPAZ has a cumulative alphabetic value of 70 & is followed by "O" whose sound comes from "omega" which means "the end". So HARPAZO is trying to tell you the game plan; 70 (weeks), the end (omega). No early escape of any kind is coming.
In Matthew 24:28 the evil servant expects the Lord to return earlier than He has ordained. When his false expectation is not met, he turns on his fellow servants and beats his fellow servants while eating & drinking with the drunken. If he is eating with sinners during the tribulation he took the mark because you can't buy or sell (food too) without it. That's Matthew 24(2+4 = 6) verse 48(4+8 = 12 = 6+6) where we find 3 6's & the evil servant who expects the Lord to arrive earlier than He has ordained.
In Matthew 13:20-21 the seeds on the stony ground produce plants with no root that wither when tribulation & persecution come. Who is it that is not preparing to face tribulation & persecution? The Text says these seeds on the rocks become "offended". These offended ones end up betraying true Christians in Matthew 24:10. And Luke 8:13 says they "fall away". Remember the falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?
Daniel 11:21-45 is the chronology of antichrist. From the start of verse 21 until you get to the last 9 words in verse 30 where fake Christians betray the covenant & have intelligence with the beast, there are exactly 330 words in the KJB. What's significant about this 330? Judas betrayed Christ over money. He got 30 pieces of silver (Matthew 26:15) but he wanted 300 pence for the ointment (John 12:4-6). That's 330 tied to a fake Christian who betrayed Jesus over money. The mark of the beast is tied to finances. The people in Daniel 11:30 will forsake the holy covenant for money. That's why there are 330 words between Daniel 11:21's beginning & the last 9 words of Daniel 11:30. Those last 9 words that are not part of the 330 (King James Bible) are:
"have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant."
Remind me again; what eschatological heresy teaches their adherents that they won't be here for the mark?
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 5:46 PM
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That's the biggest bunch of Bull Harkey I've eva herd, and if you add the letters up in "Bull Harkey" and divide by 2.5 you gets 17 or 1/3 of 51.
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
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I don't know what the h@!! you are saying. I will try to understand it though. Going down to the vape shop at closing when Mrs. Maria opens it up for seances, fortune telling and tarot card reading as she is an expert in your field.
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2 Thessalonians 2
King James Version
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The first 3 verses here deal with His return. In the KJB, there's exactly 84 or 77+7 words in these 3 verses.
"that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
That's another 84 or 77+7 words describing the same event. The first 12 words of verse 15 are a rhetorical statement and verse 18 is an admonishment. The 84(77+7) words above though describe the actual event.
Matthew 24:31
King James Version
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 words in this verse about the same event. It has 2 companion verses: Mark 13:27 & Luke 21:28. If you add the word counts for those 2 verses (30 & 22) to the 32 words from Matthew 24:31, you get 84 or 77+7 total words describing the exact same event.
Mark 13:27
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27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
That's 30 words...
Luke 21:28
King James Version
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
And that's 22 words...32+30+22 = 84 = 77+7. Seals, trumpets, vials: no early escape of any kind is coming. "Emmanuel" has a cumulative alphabetic value of 84.
E = 5th letter
M = 13th letter
M = 13th letter
A = 1st letter
N = 14th letter
U = 21st letter
E = 5th letter
L = 12th letter...add them up...84.
In Luke 2:36-38, Anna goes into the temple "in an instant" (1 Corinthians 15:52 twinkling of an eye foreshadowing) to serve day & night (Revelation 7:15 foreshadowing) & go no more out (Revelation 3:12 foreshadowing) when she is 84 or 77+7. It is then that she meets Christ face to face.
Aaron the high priest is 84 or 77+7 (shadow of Christ) when he eats the passover (wedding supper foreshadowing) after Israel leaves Egypt (church rapture foreshadowing).
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Apr 18, 2025, 7:10 PM
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2 Thessalonians 2:2
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2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
day of Christ = words 27, 28 & 29 here. 27+28+29 = 84 = 77+7....seals, trumpets, vials....no early escape of any kind is coming.
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Rival Killer [2610]
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"Unless you become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of G"
Apr 18, 2025, 8:06 PM
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Children could not understand this, as most people could not.
But sense you're so into this, when's the world going to end, according to your "numerology"? You seem to think you have everything figured out.
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Clemson Icon [24679]
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 8:38 PM
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~JKB
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Head Coach [929]
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Re: Michael Is The Pre Incarnate Christ; Even The Numbers Prove It
Apr 18, 2025, 8:56 PM
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Really cool and topical college football thread you got here….definitely not unhinged at all…glad some people feel the need to rant and rave about the end of the world via esoteric ramblings on a college football forum!
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