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Heard a good podcast today with a scientist who said...
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Heard a good podcast today with a scientist who said...

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Nov 23, 2021, 9:34 AM
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we got too smart with COVID. By locking down, etc. we delayed the inevitable. He also was quick to add that while we could have had two waves instead of 4 (or however many we're going to have), if we had done less more people probably would have died.

Tough call though because less intervention = more deaths, more intervention = dragging out the crisis.

*sigh*

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Its all a clown show

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Nov 23, 2021, 9:55 AM
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Right now, we have the highest infection rates. Last year at these type of infection rates a lot of states shut down to "save lives". For example, my state shut down, but lost more lives than any state around us that didn't lock down. Pennsylvania is the outlier in they locked down and barely have less death/capita.

Its a clown car show.

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my sister lives in PA. They were in bad shape in 2020.

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Nov 23, 2021, 9:57 AM
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Appears to have gotten better since. But they are in the Northeast corner of the state, not too far from NYC. It was crazy in spring 2020.

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He's also highly critical of China. Not that they weaponized

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Nov 23, 2021, 9:55 AM
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the virus, but that they were do experiments with humanized mice that should not be done. It creates super viruses like COVID. Wuhan lab is the world epicenter of that kind of work.

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Nov 23, 2021, 9:57 AM
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I bet if we could do it all over we would avoid those long lockdowns.

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The logic breaks down when you consider development of


Nov 23, 2021, 9:59 AM
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vaccines and treatments during that time that was bought.

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Re: The logic breaks down when you mandate

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Nov 23, 2021, 10:03 AM
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that all healthcare workers get vaccinated and cut staff.....then scream that hospitals are overrun and healthcare workers are exhausted due to COVID spikes.

How about you dont throw down mandates and you have all your workers, thus not creating the issue.

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Nov 23, 2021, 10:08 AM
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WHat happens when the workers get sick?

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Yeah, do that.***


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Hospitals were overrun and healthcare workers were

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Nov 23, 2021, 12:16 PM
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exhausted before the vaccines, before covid even. In fact, there has been a nursing shortage in the US for a decade now.

20% of nurses quit in the past year, the remaining inadequate nurses we had, before the vaccine requirement. So don't act like that's the cause.


Biden announced (to most people's surprise) the vaccine mandate on September 9, 2021.

One month before the mandate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrNIFZ-TlJw

Also a month before the mandate:
https://www.wltx.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/healthcare-workers-battling-mental-exhaustion/101-dfd7d662-4f5b-4df5-bca7-ba57941be7ff


This was back on May 5th:
https://www.businessinsider.com/nurses-are-considering-leaving-the-profession-after-covid-19-pandemic-2021-5


Also a month before mandates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWicPo3JJBs

July 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfCkzzA2mb0

Shall we go back further? Been a nursing shortage for many years before covid.....
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/life/wellness/health/2017/10/06/kentucky-nurse-shortage-hospitals-cash-bonus/622301001/


More from 2017
https://www.nurse.com/blog/2017/06/19/nursing-shortage-impacts-u-s-facility-and-others-abroad/


How about 2014?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKEtM6EIbZY

No, I think nurses are burnt out, can't keep up with demand, and frankly are sick and tired of caring for people who don't care about themselves.

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Strong men create easy times.
Easy times create weak men.
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So it just exacerbated the problem


Nov 23, 2021, 1:20 PM
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What's the excuse going to be for other industries that are looking at losing a significant amount of their workforce over the mandate, I wonder?

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Nov 23, 2021, 1:27 PM
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Yes the mandates made the problem worse. Imagine you are a nurse working long hard hours taking care of Covid patients for over a year. You put your own health at risk every day. Somewhere in the process you actually get Covid, recover , and go back to work again working long hours. Then along comes a mandate that says you’re taking the shot or you are fired. You say “I’ve already had Covid “. They say “ screw your natural immunity, take the shot”. You say “screw it I quit “

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