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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
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Dec 11, 2024, 10:22 PM
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Wow!!
Hopefully we continue to make our way out.
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Legend [6663]
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Dec 12, 2024, 6:32 AM
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You realize we are in the playoff, and SCar, Ole Miss, and Bama aren’t. Right?
I mean, what’s the end game to move to a new league. Do you want Clemson to have a bigger bank account or do you want them to have a better chance at winning it all.
Would the SEC/Big be fun? Sure. But it would also be less opportunity on the field.
I hate Swofford, and what he did by way of nepotism, but it doesn’t change the fact that this is still the easiest path if you want to compete for national titles.
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Dec 12, 2024, 6:54 AM
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Maybe we need more money to keep on competing.
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Ring of Honor [23797]
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It cancels itself out if your new opponents still have more.
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Dec 12, 2024, 8:14 AM
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We are poised to dominate the ACC indefinitely. Going to the SEC would enrich the program but not result in more wins.
College football is a relative game. And delusion kills. If we get more money to compete against teams with even more money then the relative advantage isn't there. ACC with ACC money is a better path for championships than SEC with SEC money.
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Re: It cancels itself out if your new opponents still have more.
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Dec 12, 2024, 9:25 AM
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The ‘relativeness’ for being in the ACC instead if the SEC was a good argument back when Swofford orchestrated the ACC Channel / revenue sharing deal.
At that point, there was enough of an advantage for Clemson (and FSU, for that matter) in winning big and enduring less m9ney.
That all changed with the upgraded enormous SEC deal with ESPN + the advent of NIL professionalism. No longer us relativeness adequate for us to compete at 5he highest level.
Clemson needs to be in either the SEC or B1G.
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Re: It cancels itself out if your new opponents still have more.
Dec 12, 2024, 9:49 AM
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FOS
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Dec 12, 2024, 6:55 AM
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Because eventually the SEV and B1G hopes to push the ACC and B12 out of auto bids. I think it happens. Also the $ is becoming so wide we just won’t be able to keep up with the other conferences when revenue sharing starts.
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Dec 12, 2024, 7:21 AM
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This right here^^. If you don’t think the $EC is going to find a way to change the playoff rules you are mistaken. ESPN is already lobbying for it since mighty Bama got left out for two lowly ACC teams. It will get harder and harder for non BIG and $EC teams to get in.
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Dec 12, 2024, 7:58 AM
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It will be harder for SEC/B1G to change the rules if Clemson and SMU do well. There needs to be a justification. Once again, I think those greedy ######## should just leave. They took seven spots out of 12. More than half isn’t enough? Lol
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i dunno
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Dec 15, 2024, 3:03 PM
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in a year or two the sec will have 4 auto ins along with at larges. that rout is easier than say having to basically win your conference every season due to having one auto and maybe if you are lucky an at large
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
Dec 12, 2024, 8:38 AM
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My money is they let the ACC, B12, and G5 get 1 Gauranteed bid, but they will get 4 spots a piece with opportunity at 3 more. This means expanding the playoffs and they will expand their conferences to justify this. 4 divisions of 6 teams a piece each division Guaranteed a spot.
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
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Dec 12, 2024, 8:16 AM
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I believe the BIG is the way to go. More money easier to get in CFP. Harder to win ACC than to be 4th in BIG
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
Dec 12, 2024, 10:05 AM
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We have played two SEC teams this season. How did that work out for us. I don’t feel real good about the 3rd SEC team we are getting ready to play. Before pay for play and the billionaires stepped in maybe we could compete in the SEC or BIG bit realistically not now.
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Dec 13, 2024, 7:40 AM
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The ACC as a conference had ZERO 5 star recruits this signing period. The ACC is a boat anchor that will pull us under a ruin our ability to compete with out in state rival.
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
Dec 15, 2024, 5:13 PM
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That's just dumb to hate Swofford for getting us the best deal he could at the time! Time changes lots of things...did you really think that the SEC would get a smaller deal! Maybe you did...FOX was competiting with espn...several years more money on the table for a conference that puts 100k butts in stadiums for a conference without a 100k butt stadium...you have to be smarter than that if you are a CCC grad!
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
Dec 15, 2024, 5:14 PM
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Money is the INLY thing that will keep Clemson competitive. Esecpn is paying Pennie’s to ACC verses millions to sec. Clemson becomes irrelevant if they stay in ACC with the structure that is in place.
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Dec 11, 2024, 11:49 PM
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Wow
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
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Dec 12, 2024, 5:55 AM
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They look inept and weak. Imagine being their lawyer. WTH are you talking about, would be a question I would have if I was their attorney? They might as well drop their suit and save the money.
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FSU is a joke
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Dec 12, 2024, 5:59 AM
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That university and its fans doesn’t know when to shut up.
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Re: FSU is a joke
Dec 12, 2024, 6:32 AM
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I believe the ESecPN-B1GpreTENd cabal has rejected adding FSU or Clemson and both schools are looking at a better revenue sharing plan. FSU can still argue for a more equitable plan based on revenue brought in with the hope this year was an anomaly. If both schools can get a more equitable share it could keep them competitive without leaving.
This year showed the downside of the super size conferences and no division play in that it was hard to rank teams that didn't play the same teams within a conference.
If the cabal doesn't ruin College football maybe we will see a new alignment (non NCAA governance) with four or five 14-16 team conferences with 2 divisions and no Conf Championship games, just take Division winners and highest ranked other teams in a 16 team playoff and realign the divisions every few years to keep them balanced and competitive.
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That suggest the revenue sharing issue might be closing on a solution.
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Dec 12, 2024, 6:52 AM
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FSU is posturing to remain an ACC partner if its given a bigger piece of the pie.
I don't believe this carp about the B1G and SEC not wanting FSU, Clemson and a few more ACC teams in those conferences. It violates all economic principles. Every team has a TV audience therefor every team has value. Clemson and FSU are of great value.
All this talk about no further expansion by the SEC and B1G insulates them from liability of public embarrassment if the ACC remains intact and possibly legal liability if the ACC fails to remain intact. Any reasonable person avoids the public humiliation from having their business plans fail.
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All schools will be sharing revenue in addition to having NIL collectives***
Dec 12, 2024, 8:34 AM
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Solid Orange [1318]
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Re: That suggest the revenue sharing issue might be closing on a solution.
Dec 12, 2024, 9:59 AM
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The BIG and the SEC does not need a giant loser like FSU...they already have Ark., Vandy, Kentucky and others...why add a school who is downsizing their stadium to 65k cause they can't filling at 72? We are much better off right where we are...playoffs mean big money...FSU mentioned SMU as a dead squirrel on the road in their quest for MO...ain't carma a mean *itch!
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99965]
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Don't be naive.
Dec 13, 2024, 7:22 AM
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It's not about wins and losses it's about TV revenue. Next time you reply to a post you should read it, you might learn something.
Even we folks who didn't graduate high school know the term opportunity cost. Ignoring teams with audience like FSU (which, btw, has the largest viewing audience in the ACC) would be the loss of a huge opportunity cost
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"I didn't say that I didn't say that , I said that I didn't say that I said it".
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Dec 12, 2024, 8:01 AM
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Re: "I didn't say that I didn't say that , I said that I didn't say that I said it".
Dec 15, 2024, 9:36 PM
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
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Dec 12, 2024, 8:10 AM
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Typical political double-speak.
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Dec 12, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Clearly, FSU and Clemson both sued the ACC with the intention of leaving the conference. Both can parse the words saying things like...
"We just wanted to determine how much it would cost us if we decided to leave."
"We just wanted to determine if the grant of rights was legal."
Just politics. FSU's position has not changed. "We want out, and we would leave today if we could afford to do so."
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recruiting
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Dec 12, 2024, 9:37 AM
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Yes ACC is easier path to playoff but you also want to be competitive in the playoff. Recruits are draw to the SEC and Big Ten and that is just a fact. They want to play where all the hype is and all they hear is how SEC and Big Ten are the big boy leagues. Clemson recruiting will suffer if we remain in ACC. I don't want an easier path to the playoff is it mean losing to SC because they have more talent than us.
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Top TigerNet [28584]
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Dabo has used language showing he understands.
Dec 12, 2024, 9:41 AM
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These are paraphrases, but very close to exact quotes.
1. We all know where this is heading....
2. In 3 to 5 years this is all gonna change...
He's just not giving more details.
"It's going to some sort of "New League" with fewer teams in this league playing college football at the highest level. They are just working out the details."
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Anyone who understand basic math understands that.
Dec 13, 2024, 7:29 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me to know that the conference intent on landing FSU told them to back off, in the public eye, and let the lawsuits begin.
That brings up another concern, bretfsu®, it's likely that either the B1G, SEC or both have offered to share the cost of exits for both our teams. Both teams add to both brands.
We, you, I and all the other FSU and Clemson fans, focus on the details which are made public while those ADs and lawyers sit around all day contemplating on how to find that crack in the contracts. They have a completely different view than the public.
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Top TigerNet [28584]
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You and I agree. The real negotiations are...
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Dec 15, 2024, 12:51 PM
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....going on now between ESPN, Fox, SEC and B1G. Those are the 4 groups that will determine the ultimate destination of FSU and Clemson, as well as any other schools they want to take.
The FSU and Clemson lawsuits are just helping accelerate the discussions between the 4 mentioned above.
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Re: FSU walking back realignment statements on ACC
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Dec 13, 2024, 8:09 AM
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FSU has not given formal exit notice.
That would put them in breach of contract.
If you read TigerNet in August there is always someone on here posting that their brothers roommate knows someone in the AD who told him that the formal notice will be made by the August deadline.
But it never comes. It has become somewhat of a TigerNet joke.
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Dec 15, 2024, 2:40 PM
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I was so shocked when I saw OU leave the Big 12. They have more conference championships than any other team and they left it behind chasing a check. They may be lucky to win one conf championship per decade moving forward. Instead of standing where they (and Texas) were grown and bringing the big 12 back to glory they decided to jump the ship and take the payday.
I dialing the ACC as much as most but if maybe we just stood where we are and demanded more from our counterparts we could become a more respected conference. The key is Miami, FSU, us, and GT remaining/getting back to be top 25 type teams and the baccer road schools getting it together consistently. If that happens we can compete with the B10 for sure.
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Theres no reason to leave under the new playoff
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Dec 15, 2024, 3:40 PM
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structure. If you’re a decent team, it’s better to be in a weak conference and win it and you’re in. Out of conference doesn’t matter, strength of schedule doesn’t matter. We are the 16th ranked team and are in the playoffs. Playing in the SEC or any other tougher conference doesn’t provide any benefit anymore.
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Re: Theres no reason to leave under the new playoff
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Dec 15, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Wrong. The playoff is only in it's current format for 1 more year. We don't know what's in store for the future but bet on it being the ACC and Big 12 left out especially with that weakling Jim Phillips negotiating on the ACC's behalf.
I really don't want to find out what it will be like for football and all sports with SC making twice as much as Clemson and that multiplying over the years. We will be the new GT being dominated by their in state rival UGA.
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Well no $hit, if the format changes the ACC advantage
Dec 15, 2024, 5:15 PM
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may change. But currently, there’s no better place to be.
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Re: Well no $hit, if the format changes the ACC advantage
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Dec 15, 2024, 8:17 PM
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The SEC and the Big will have to break away. There's way too much money out there on the table for them. Did you see one of the most respected analysts on 365 Sports? They were poo pooing that idea to him. He shocked them by saying the SEC and the Big will at least double and may triple their income if they break away and form their own league.
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Re: Well no $hit, if the format changes the ACC advantage
Dec 15, 2024, 11:04 PM
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Hopefully for Tennessee, the SEC doesn’t disperse revenue based on a SEC Championship appearance
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