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Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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There is no way to prove that nonsense. Just because Clemson faded when Ford left, doesn’t mean it would happen that exact way again. That’s low IQ brain rot.
Clemson is an established brand that is close to if not a blue blood now. Yes Dabo is why, but Dabo’s choices recently are why the program slipped.
FSU won a title after Bobby. Countless other big name programs have success with different coaches. Some don’t. It’s not 1990 anymore. Clemson can win with another coach because they are Clemson.
Best case scenario for all involved would be for Dabo to just quietly use the portal to strengthen his roster and use the NIL to buy some 5 stars. After that, get rid of the dead weight on the staff and make more Matt Luke like hires.
This isn’t hard. Does Dabo have the humility to admit he was wrong and can’t just do whatever he wants because of how bad he had it when he was a kid?
This all could turn around so fast. Look at SC. In one year they went from hapless to maybe the playoffs after beating us at home.
Dabo has to stop gatekeeping. He’s slowly destroying his legacy and his program over nothing.
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Valley Protector [1489]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:40 PM
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We aren't the brand that you think we are.
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:43 PM
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I disagree. It is a top brand with lots going for it. It just has a coach being a baby about the changes.
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Valley Protector [1489]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:34 PM
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You can disagree all you want but you're incorrect. The only real national brand that we've had is what happened from basically 2012-2020.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:57 PM
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I don’t think you understand how it works. It’s ok to be ignorant. It won’t kill you.
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Valley Protector [1489]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 2:15 PM
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I do understand how it works. You don't. The perception of the outside world is not the same as it is here.
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Rock Defender [51]
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Dec 3, 2024, 3:49 PM
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I just wish Dabo could hire coaches that can coach some people can't coach and some can you got to have that eye for the best players and where they can help you the best
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:38 PM
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I disagree. It is a top brand with lots going for it. It just has a coach being a baby about the changes.
If you look at name brands schools like USC, LSU, FSU, Texas, Nebraska and others, they faltered after winning a natty which led to a coaching change. Some never recovered and all are no better off. History says we would be much better off if Neff guided Dabo to address the issues than pushing for a coaching which rarely leads to the success we expect
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Game Changer [1608]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 2:20 PM
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Exactly, ask Tennessee fans how it went when they ran off Phillip fulmer for only giving them 10 win seasons.
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Heisman Winner [82027]
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Nebraska ran off Bo Pelini for only giving them 9 win seasons after the 2014
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Dec 1, 2024, 2:32 PM
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season. They have exactly only one WINNING season since then, all the way back in 2016. Rhule might get them there this year, but only if they win a bowl game to go 7-6.
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:45 PM
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We spend $22 million/year on the coaching staff. There aren't many coaches we couldn't get with that kind of money. I'm not saying fire Dabo, though.
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Campus Hero [13490]
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:48 PM
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Lincoln Riley has been a dud for USC. No telling whether whoever we would get would do a better job than Dabo, even if we could have just about anyone.
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:41 PM
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Depends who the new coach is. Clemson could easily fade away. It could end up a dumpster fire. Clemson might do better and thrive. It might be similar. No telling.
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Orange Beast [6350]
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Dec 3, 2024, 3:54 PM
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You could bring in the best coach in the nation but it might not work. Hatfield was a good coach but got my support. Sometimes you can go to the top in one place but fail at the next stop.
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Orange Beast [6350]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 3, 2024, 3:54 PM
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Got no support
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Game Changer [1600]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 12:47 PM
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"I predict the future and stuff."
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“I can still taste Dabo’s taint”
SamTate
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Athletic Dir [1191]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:52 PM
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It’s all so easy. Why don’t teams just try winning all their games? I don’t get it.
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Athletic Dir [1191]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:55 PM
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And sc was hapless for 11 years before this year.
And no one, yourself included, saw them coming this year.
So you don’t know. Have whatever opinion you want but it’s as useless as mine.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Right. The difference here is, my opinion bothers you somewhat. And your opinion to me is fine and I realize it could be correct even if mine is different.
Life outside the cult is fine.
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Clemson Icon [24107]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:37 PM
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Your opinion means nothing.
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Dynasty Maker [3194]
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yes, when you have your head in the sand...
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:55 PM
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you are right, you can't think of anything outside of your blind bias.
Keep drinking that koolaid
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:47 PM
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Right. The difference here is, my opinion bothers you somewhat. And your opinion to me is fine and I realize it could be correct even if mine is different.
Life outside the cult is fine.
Must be a leftist. You have no idea what a cult is but I can tell you that supporting a coach is not it. Just because you can’t comprehend it does not in itself constitute it being a cult. Getting rid of Dabo without having a top tier replacement would be stupid, and would most definitely set us back. How is Bama doing?
If you don’t support the team or the coach go pull for someone else and save yourself the misery.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Dec 1, 2024, 2:15 PM
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No sir, calling me a liberal is the worst thing you could say to me. I’m MAGA. Counting down the days until Trump is back in office.
I think using the word cult in regards to the sunshine pumpers on here is more of a figure of speech. And I’ll share my opinions on Clemson football however and whenever I so please. And I’ll do it whether you and all the others of your ilk like it or not. Got it?
If you think you’re so important that you should dictate what people post here, maybe the internet is to traumatic for you. People can be whatever type of fan they want to be. Good or bad.
Maybe you’re one of those liberals trying to eliminate free speech?
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Dec 1, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Right. The difference here is, my opinion bothers you somewhat. And your opinion to me is fine and I realize it could be correct even if mine is different.
Life outside the cult is fine. Must be a leftist. You have no idea what a cult is but I can tell you that supporting a coach is not it. Just because you can’t comprehend it does not in itself constitute it being a cult. Getting rid of Dabo without having a top tier replacement would be stupid, and would most definitely set us back. How is Bama doing? If you don’t support the team or the coach go pull for someone else and save yourself the misery.
many are in the Dabo cult and most of them are right-wingers
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Clemson Icon [24107]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 2:22 PM
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🤣🤣
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:58 PM
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Clemson will be just fine without dabo and may actually start beating the coots again when he is gone.
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Athletic Dir [1191]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 1:01 PM
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Keyword being “may”
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Did we not win last year? Asking for a friend.
His record is not as good as Bowden’s but Bowden did not face the best teams SC ever had under Spurrier.
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Athletic Dir [1141]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
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Florida and Nebraska say hello. The University of Florida (UF) experienced great success under coaches Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer.
On the other hand, Nebraska was incredibly consistent in winning many games and multiple national championships under Tom Osborne (they were also strong before him). But look at them now—they're bowl eligible with a 6-6 record for the first time in nine years.
As for Clemson, it seems they may fade away. Clemson is essentially similar to Auburn but has a better culture and foundation within its athletic department. Dabo Swinney is doing his best to hold things together. We could bring in another strong coach and still win, although that usually doesn't happen. Just look at Alabama’s decline after Nick Saban leaves, which is bound to happen soon. Remember how Alabama struggled after Gene Stallings left? While Stallings was successful, he was nowhere near the legendary status of Bear Bryant.
Clemson is a blue blood. We are top 15 in most wins ever. We have 3 natties. We have dozens of ACC championships/appearances. We get players drafted. But it can go away quickly.
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Athletic Dir [1191]
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:06 PM
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Well reasoned and thought out. But beware, apparently if you want to pause before blowing the whole program up you have dabos “taint” in your mouth according to the children on this board.
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:37 PM
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You’re wrong. Clemson can and will be fine without Dabo. You are more of a Dabo lover than a Clemson fan by the looks of it. Have you see his recruiting class? What happens if some of the better players portal out? I don’t think you get it. He’s running out of talent, fast. He isn’t running out of arrogance and stubbornness. He has as much of that as he does money.
Shane Beamer is 2-2 against Clemson with 2 wins at DV. All is fine…
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Athletic Dir [1141]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 1:47 PM
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Thank you for your response, Captain Call. It's challenging to assert that someone is wrong when the discussion is based on speculation. While I could easily suggest that you might be mistaken, that wouldn't lead to any productive outcome. It's more effective to rely on past anecdotal evidence to inform our predictions. I shared one such example earlier in this thread, and it has been supported by numerous case studies. This isn't merely my opinion; it's based on historical trends. Of course, I acknowledge that I could be wrong, just as you could be. It's prudent to avoid disputing speculation with overly assertive arguments about right and wrong.
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:49 PM
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I’m sorry, you must be confused. I wasn’t talking to you 😏
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Athletic Dir [1141]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 1:48 PM
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I'll also add that I grew up in the 1980s and early 1990s, going to games with my dad. So I lived through the good and the wasteland. It sure sucks going 3-8.
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yea, you're a bit delusional. Post-Dabo will be a drought.
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Dabo put us in the modern era and he may get us back. a 'new' coach will take a decade or more, if ever. Same old story. Look up Tennessee post-Fulmer. Go WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back
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Re: yea, you're a bit delusional. Post-Dabo will be a drought.
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Can you prove that? Ok then. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You speak as if you’re presenting facts. Mine is just an opinion. Stay triggered.
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Athletic Dir [1141]
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Re: yea, you're a bit delusional. Post-Dabo will be a drought.
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Fulmer at UT. Osborne at Nebraska. Bowden at FSU. Florida after Spurrier. Florida after Meyer. Bryant at Alabama (then after Stallings at Alabama). And it'll happen again now at Alabama now that Saban is gone. It's hard to have a dynasty and repeat the success with someone else. Heck, it's even hard for the same person to repeat the process. It's unreal how successful Bowden and Saban were for that many years, and even they didn't touch the consistency that Osborne had at Nebraska. The only program that was able to repeat success at the top level with different coaches was Miami. And that lasted in the 80s, with a ten year hiatus, and lasted about 4 more year and then they went to the wasteland for around 20 years.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Re: yea, you're a bit delusional. Post-Dabo will be a drought.
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Dec 1, 2024, 1:54 PM
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I could have sworn I was clear about this being my OPINION. You and others are so terrified of life after Dabo, that you’re giving examples of programs that didn’t fair so well after various coaches left those programs. I don’t care, lol. I truly believe that Clemson will not die a horrible death if Dabo left!
Deal with it! 😂
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Re: yea, you're a bit delusional. Post-Dabo will be a drought.
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Nobody cares about your whining. You were presented with evidence to the contrary of your stupidity. You choose to remain ignorant so buzz off little bird. I promise you won’t be missed.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Re: yea, you're a bit delusional. Post-Dabo will be a drought.
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Dec 1, 2024, 2:23 PM
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Makes a post whining about someone whining. I know all about the evidence that was presented. No one can prove what would or wouldn’t happen to Clemson without Dabo. It’s impossible to know. I think they would be fine. I’m sorry that’s difficult for you to understand.
There are obviously 2 types of Clemson fans
-fans of Dabo
-fans of Clemson
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Orange Blooded [2367]
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Dec 1, 2024, 2:13 PM
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Hopefully you will fade soon.
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Orange Blooded [2215]
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There's been a whole bunch of venting on here the past 24 hours. Some of y'all just need to go somewhere and bang your head against the wall. Y'all are as emotional as a gaggle of Women right now.
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Ring of Honor [23798]
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I think post-Dabo would be pretty bad. I think we were lucky to have the perfect
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storm we had and I am fine with not winning nattys every year. But coaching needs an upgrade. I expect more positive changes to be made after this season.
I think Dabo will surprise some people and fire Wes this offseason. Maybe demote Mickey Conn too.
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Associate AD [1099]
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I think you’re probably right. A perfect storm. Only problem is he is being paid like a coach is paid when he is expected to compete for nattys.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100103]
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He earned those raises which brought his salary to where it is now.
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Cutting his pay would be a sure way to get rid of him.
There's only one coach in the SEC whose job is secure for the next 3 years. Smart. Most of the rest would replace their coach with Dabo in a skinny minute.
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Orange Blooded [2210]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 1, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Where is Dabo going?
Hopefully he will coach at Clemson another 10-15 years. I think he will find his way in navigating through this “pay for play” format after the legislation is passed in our state next year.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100103]
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Oh, yes.
Dec 3, 2024, 3:19 PM
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We will go the way of Scar when SOS left. We aren't Alabama, OSU or ND. The probability we fade is greater than the probability that we'll land a coach who can take us to the top as did Dabo.
Imo, getting rid of Dabo would be a sure act of cursing one of God's blessing.
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Game Day Hero [4474]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 3, 2024, 3:46 PM
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I like to look at data and historicals to help me form what I think is going to happen.
USC Pete Carroll (left for NFL) 97-19 over 9 years. 118-67 since
Tennessee Phil Fulmer 147--45 over 16 years. 107-88 since
Nebraska Tom Osborne 255-49 over 25yrs (retired) & Frank Solich 59-19 over 6 years. 141-117 since
Alabama Bear Bryant 232-46 over 25yrs. Followed by 58-25 over 7yrs
Alabama Gene Stallings 70-16 over 7 years followed by 67-55 over 10yrs
Alabama Nick Saban 206-29 over 17 years. Too soon to tell but it aint looking great. DeBoer has 3 losses already, most Saban has was 3 in a year, once
Michigan Bo Schembechler, Gary Moeller (on the down swing) & Llyod Carr 360-101 over 39yrs. Then went 46-42 over 7yrs. Harbaugh was decent and then became "great" after Stallions came aboard, since then well....at least they beat OSU LOL
So this tells me Michigan bucked the trend have 3 in a row but by in large once we move on from a HOF (yes HOF) coach the best we can hope for is 7-10yrs wandering in the desert. No thanks. I mean it could happen that upon a change we don't miss a beat, but history doesn't exactly indicate that is likely.
I don't disagree that changes need to occur and I hope they do so we don't actually have to worry about a HC search.
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Orange Beast [6350]
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Re: Clemson wont disappear without Dabo
Dec 3, 2024, 3:50 PM
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I want Dabo to stay where he is regardless of the fact we are trending down. I have of late not at first wanted him to use whatever means to keep our program elite. Hopefully he will as it seems have a change of heart.
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Standout [239]
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Dec 3, 2024, 4:12 PM
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All i'm going to say on this is, If Dabo Swinney left Clemson there would be a line around the building of people applying for the job. Everything thing is in place to win now.
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Game Day Hero [4235]
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Dabo is the GOAT - and you don't know what you are talking about
Dec 3, 2024, 4:12 PM
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Try living through some of the prior coaches we had and got rid of
We have been blessed to have DABO
ALL IN
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It won’t be hard to find another coach that wins 8 to 9 games a year in the acc. It’s not like dabo has done pogo in the last 5 years!
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