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Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 1:59 PM
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if you don't want to. Im headed home to relax and get away from this #### show. Probably won't respond. This is so you have real stories. Sunday was SOOOO bad, at the end of the shift, we took a spont group pic and then clapped for ourselves. A 1st in my 15 yrs.
I typed up this Facebook post last night, didn't intend on sharing it here.. but honestly, whatever. I'm over peoples fake realities and sensitive feelings.
Side, my sister and her fam aren't vax. I never said a word about it.. until Fri. I called her with love. She and her husband heard me and thanked me. Doesn't mean they'll vax, but if something happens, I did my best.
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Just worked 5 12h shifts.
Fri: 1 patient intubated at 3a, I came into him coding (cpr, drugs, etc) at 710am until he died at 1045a. I truly don't even remember my other pt.
Sat: 2 patients. 1 43yof on 100% 02 on a CPAP machine, alternating with a 40L 100% high flow. Not sure her status now, but she was still fighting for every breath at the end of the shift.
The other man in his 60s made the choice to not be intubated. He was MISERABLE. Kept ripping off his mask.. I said, "you'll die if you keep doing that." He looked at me wide eyed and gave me 2 thumbs up. "Do you want to die?" Two big thumbs up nodding his head.. not enough breath to vocalize. His wife and daughter came in for 10 mins, then waited outside looking through the door as I gave him enough morphine and Ativan to make him comfortable. Once he was out, took off his mask and he died within 30 mins.
Sun: 66 yof, intubated 36h prior. Seemed relatively stable when I got her. Intubated, sedated, paralyzed, prone laying on her belly. Put her on her back after 16h. Seemed "stable." Put a dialysis catheter in bc her kidneys were no longer filtering. Still ok. The rest of the unit was EXPLODING, so I helped. Posted that picture of the team in my last post.
By midday my ladys BP began to drop. No prob. Put on one BP med infusing. Then her o2 dropped a little, no room to move on the vent, she was max vent support. BP drops a little more. Max out first BP med. Add a second in the process. Then a 3rd bc dialysis RN shows up and MAYBE this will help, but we know her BP takes another drop when start dialysis.. Finish dialysis on 3 vasopressors maxed. O2 sat is tanking. Tell the family. This is resp failure from COVID pneumonia causing the secondary heart complications. We threw antibiotics at her, nope. When I left, COVID had torn threw her. Her o2 sat was 55%. She died at 1230 that night.
Mon: I have 1 pt. He's actually stable and still ok. My coworker gets a pt from the ER who had just been intubated. He I think is 50s, healthy looking guy. Within 30 mins of his arrival, he mirrors the pt I had on Sun. We are doing CPR on him. As I'm breaking his ribs (real) with CPR to pump his heart, I see another newly intubated 40yof being wheeled in. I continue on my task, others pushing drugs, also pt was on max vent support, RR 30 20/20, 100% NOWHERE TO GO. We intermittently code this man for 2-3 hours. Finally settling on 4 max dose vasopressors and max ventilation. He was still alive today, but I will be shocked if he lives through this.
In the afternoon, the newly brought in 40yof codes again.. and again.. and again.. we did easily 6 rounds of CPR. Max BP support, 02 sats in the 50-70s. She was intubated at 11am. She died at 630p.
Tues: We had one pt die. He wasn't mine, but we simply could not get his o2 levels above 50-60% and his heart finally gave. My dude from Monday not worse not better. We reparalyzed him and put him on his belly again. Time will tell how he does.
This is all in one of 3 10 bed ICUs. No idea what they experienced on the other floors. These pts are not vax. We do not have treatment. We have a vaccine. Not one of them thought it would happen to them. They took their chances. They banked on treatment we don't have. And why?
You make your personal choice, but be willing to live (or not) with the consequences not just on you but your family, the breaking healthcare system, and the community as a whole.
As you decide to not take the vax, you may be fine, or you may not. If you aren't going to listen to medical doctors who advise to get the vax, then why come to the hospital and then listen to the same people you chose not to in the first place? Do you know what we are going to give you better than you know the vaccine?
And it's not that we don't care.. we have worked harder these last days than I EVER have... it's just hard to be emotionally invested when the outcome is clear, and soooo quick, and was completely avoidable.
Of course this is just my little snapshot in my little hospital in the little big city Sacramento.
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Legend [15914]
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To give validity... wouldn't let me add pics after posting
Aug 18, 2021, 2:09 PM
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I'm top left in the helmet. My girlfriend is the cutie blond standing up on the right.
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The one thing I won't ever forget about masks
Aug 18, 2021, 2:14 PM
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your coworker in the first photo looks beautiful and the mask hides the physical beauty... but not the other reasons she truly is.
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HAHAHA... I was just about to tag you on a post
Aug 18, 2021, 4:15 PM
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I will never forget your kindness in sending N95s to me THANK YOU
My girl and I used them for at least 5 shifts.
I'm fortunate to work for a big hospital system with $ and resources.. They found gear.
Then they found these helmets.. right place right time! They had 40. Bc I work the whole hospital in an emergency role 3 times per month, I got one.
It's flipping cool!!!!!
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:10 PM
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Keep fighting the good fight. And thanks for your hard work.
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Legend [19933]
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Serious question
Aug 18, 2021, 2:12 PM
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Why is there still no effective treatment therapy?
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110%er [9735]
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There are effective treatments.
Aug 18, 2021, 2:21 PM
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I wish he would explain why his hospital is apparently not using them.
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Re: There are effective treatments.
Aug 18, 2021, 2:53 PM
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If Trump said anything positive about them they are deemed unusable. Regardless of effectiveness.
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You’re right. That is absolutely a factor.***
Aug 18, 2021, 3:02 PM
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Legend [15914]
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you think we give a #### about politics while people
Aug 18, 2021, 3:07 PM
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are dying ???
Trump ain't an MD Nor is Biden
But my coworkers are. And we have tried all meds They don't make a difference
Trump did am amazing thing and pushed for a vax. I took it. Did you?
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Orange Blooded [3568]
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Amen man. I’m a physician and it boggles my mind
Aug 18, 2021, 5:41 PM
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That people think we would treat or not treat based on what trump or Biden thinks about that treatment. If it works, it’ll be used . And no “well it worked for this one guy” doesn’t mean it works. If it works in trials it’ll be used. I’m extremely conservative politically but #### the whole “trump said it, so they won’t use the treatment” argument is just not true
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Morons will believe
Aug 18, 2021, 9:21 PM
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what they want to believe. The absence of facts doesn't change anything. matter of fact it's easier when you place politics above all else.
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Re: Morons will believe
Aug 19, 2021, 8:45 AM
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Pretty much sums it up AND I'm a conservative Republican(most of the time). I'd like to think I independent enough to look at both sides to form my opinions.
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Re: you think we give a #### about politics while people
Aug 19, 2021, 8:08 AM
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Maybe the key thing for you to push, is that treatments are ineffective when people have gotten to that point. I am not saying that any treatment is great, but I imagine that a lot of people have avoided seeing you through treatment earlier on in the disease.
Are death rates better or worse than from a year and a half ago (I truly don't know)? If they have improved, then it is due to treatment somewhere down the line.
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Re: There are effective treatments.
Aug 19, 2021, 7:54 AM
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That's bullshit, plain and simple, and continuing to perpetuate lies like that only make the situation worse.
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Legend [15914]
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Please tell me your background, how you know
Aug 18, 2021, 3:04 PM
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what's effective... and THEN, tell me your Google hero treatments
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Doctors and nurses around the country
Aug 18, 2021, 3:09 PM
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whose patients aren’t dying at nearly the rate yours seem to be.
Are you saying they are lying?
I’m sure you are working hard, and thank you for that.
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Re: Doctors and nurses around the country
Aug 18, 2021, 3:13 PM
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Link?
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Legend [15914]
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I'd be thrilled if the guy on tigernet has the answers to COVID
Aug 18, 2021, 3:14 PM
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treatment that we don't
I'd give ANYTHING for you to be right. As the youngins say, send it bra
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110%er [9735]
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I asked if you think those professionals (whose identities are verifiable)
Aug 18, 2021, 3:23 PM
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are lying.
Note: You’re also a “guy on tigernet”
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Legend [15914]
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Link me in to who you are speaking of
Aug 18, 2021, 3:31 PM
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I don't imply anyone is lying. I just dont know who or what you speak of.
I am also "just a guy on tigernet" But I'm a guy on tigernet that is verifiable in what I'm saying from the actual frontlines of this pandemic since it began
Please share your exposure to this
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Re: Link me in to who you are speaking of
Aug 18, 2021, 3:33 PM
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He read a meme on gab. That makes him an expert.
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Re: Link me in to who you are speaking of
Aug 19, 2021, 8:21 AM
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Are the drugs by Regeneron garbage? To some extent you appear to come off as if there are no useful treatments. I think that you mean when people get to the point of ICU. To some extent you and the ones that you are arguing with can be right, but talking about different points in the disease.
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What if I listened to a nurse from the internet?
Aug 18, 2021, 4:56 PM
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Would that be bad information?
Guess what… Soywaker is also a nurse from the internet. Do you believe him?
Isn’t it ironic….don’t you think?… It’s like raiiiiiinnnnn ….on a rainy day…
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Re: What if I listened to a nurse from the internet?
Aug 18, 2021, 5:36 PM
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You claimed there are “verifiable” doctors that share your opinions. How can we verify these verifiable doctors if you don’t provide any names to verify? Hmmm?
I think you’re just fos.
PS- if you’re going to be cute and quote a song, at least get it right.
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Legend [15914]
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That's a fair point
Aug 18, 2021, 8:14 PM
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I think the difference is I am sharing what I'm witnessing. I do think based on what I'm seeing, vax is a good idea, but I'm also not telling people what to do. So, I guess you can question the authenticity of my stories.. but why?
Is the picture not enough? Would you like my CA BRN license #? What would work for you?
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Stop lying on here please.***
Aug 20, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 2:30 PM
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There have been doctors in America and around the world that have shown success treating Covid but they get shut down by the government. Why? Because if there was an effective treatment they cannot grant emergency authorization used to the vaccine.
And by the way lifelong progressives like Brett Weinstein and his wife have been saying this exact same thing. So this is not a Trump supporting right wing red state southern redneck talking point. There are literally tons of legitimate researchers and scientists including progressives on the left saying these things. And they are among the people being silenced and censored by the government and big tech can you together and we know that for a fact from Jen Psake
Those paying attention know that the government has never said lose weight, exercise, get sun and fresh air, stop eating sugar and carbohydrates and processed foods, take vitamin D and vitamin C in large doses, take zinc, exercise lose weight do the things that boost your natural immune system. The government has not been saying any of those things.
The only thing we have been hearing from the government since day one is lockdowns and vaccines. Why is that?
Money, power, control!
Anyone that thinks otherwise is brainwashed and fooling themselves.
And nowhere in there did I say Covid is not serious or that people should not take vaccinations and do whatever they think is best after talking to their doctor. All I have ever said is The government should not be mandating vaccines nor lockdowns, the lockdowns are worse than the disease, and the science is not being followed. How is that controversial? It’s 100% fact!
And I understand soy wallet has first-hand knowledge. But he is posting based on emotions and anecdotal data. Go look at the data from America and around the world.
Yes. Covid is serious. People over 65 and people that are fat with diabetes they are going to have a rough go of it. But they do not make up the majority of the people. We don’t base public policy on taking care of a high risk group. We don’t punish everyone and crash the economy to protect healthy people. Everything we have done has been stupid and backwards and not founded on science and data. And it has been the exact opposite of everything we have always done in the past.
The cure has been worse than the disease. And that has been proven in the data.
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 2:33 PM
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Michelle Obama said "...lose weight, exercise, get sun and fresh air, stop eating sugar and carbohydrates and processed foods... exercise lose weight do the things that boost your natural immune system." and she was mocked.
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Should should have said.
Aug 18, 2021, 3:12 PM
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Eat more fried food, eat more sugar, smoke more, drink more, and smoke more meth.
Would have been just productive.
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 5:53 PM
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Most of the right wing. To be fair, if Mrs Trump had said the same thing most of the left would have mocked her. Look how people complained about the changes made to school lunches to make them healthier…was rather unhinged.
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TO CLARIFY: I said TREATMENT
Aug 18, 2021, 2:38 PM
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Not talking about preventative but treatment once infection has been detected.
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Right, those do exist. Many doctors and nurses across the country
Aug 18, 2021, 3:01 PM
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have spoken out about ivermectin and regeneron working very well for their patients.
On the flip side…I don’t know about regeneron, but the FDA published on their website why it is dangerous to take ivermectin and that they have not approved it.
Hmmm…there’s something else the FDA has not approved, but I can’t quite put my finger on it…
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I honestly don't watch or read the news anymore
Aug 18, 2021, 3:25 PM
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I don't search the intergewgz for treatments
If the vax is FDA approved will you take it?
First and foremost, I want to remind myself and my brother row86, we are tiger brothers...
I find myself getting bigger than I want bc of the difficulty of the days, the grind, the needless death and loss
I apologize for where I have been sharp. The most important thing in our differences is that we maintain the respect and love for one another...
Despite our different perspectives, we are Clemson Family. I appreciate your discourse Row....
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I will consider the shots when they are FDA approved.
Aug 18, 2021, 3:31 PM
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Thanks. I don’t mean any disrespect to you either.
Hope you can enjoy your well-deserved time in Charleston.
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None taken. You're giving voice to the same thoughts many
Aug 18, 2021, 8:20 PM
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other people have. Hopefully our dialogue can open up some ideas or minds either way. Genuinely appreciate you. All good ??
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 2:41 PM
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In the last few weeks I have had several people I know die from COVID. All of them were healthy. Their ages: 52, 31, 43 and 16.
This thing is now very different from last year.
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I am sorry for your losses
Aug 18, 2021, 3:19 PM
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This is exactly what we are seeing
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 7:07 PM
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Were they vaccinated?
Because if not...
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 7:36 PM
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No they weren’t so they got what they deserved, IMO. Except for the 16 year old…his mom prevented him from getting the vax, so it’s her fault.
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Wow!!! Congrats!
Aug 18, 2021, 7:43 PM
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“They got what they deserved”
I think you’re the first one on here to explicitly admit you want people without the shots to die.
I can tell there are probably others, but you’re the first to come out and say it. Well done, sicko.
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Re: Wow!!! Congrats!
Aug 18, 2021, 8:01 PM
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I don’t want anyone to die. That’s why I try to convince friends/family to get the vax.
If you refuse a vax that is protecting most people who take it, then die from COVID, I will not shed a single tear for you.
They had a chance to protect themselves and didn’t. They talked exactly like the anti-vax people on TNet and could just recite their anti-vax propaganda on cue. I don’t have any ##### left to give.
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When people make a personal choice not to get injected,
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Aug 18, 2021, 8:18 PM
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you want them to die.
That is beyond sick.
But take heart…like I said, I’m sure there are many others just as deranged.
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Re: When people make a personal choice not to get injected,
Aug 18, 2021, 8:26 PM
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What part of “I don’t want anyone to die” was difficult for you to understand?
I’m still waiting for those “verifiable “ doctor names.
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“They got what they deserved”
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-Noodle
Done with you.
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Re: “They got what they deserved”
Aug 18, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Anyone who refuses help, even encourages others to not accept help, says “I know the risks,but…”, then gets virus and dies…they said they understood that they could die from COVID but “I’m young and healthy so I don’t need the virus”.
Yeah. Not shedding any tears. One of the people I mention I’ve known for nearly 50 years. I tried to convince him to get the vax but he believed all the conspiracy theories and refused.
Please feel free to ignore me. I will also encourage you to get the vax before you become another statistic. Please.
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 18, 2021, 7:33 PM
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I’m glad the me knowing people that have died of COVID deserves a TD…
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Re: Actually there are.
Aug 19, 2021, 3:38 PM
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Just this week, I have had three friends die of covid months after taking the shots...Of the people that I know that got the vaccine, and then developed the virus months later, 3 of 28 have died. Just facts, draw your own conclusions.
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The things you're saying we should do are things MDs
Aug 18, 2021, 3:13 PM
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and common sense have been saying for decades. But right to choose and all, and people choose. Just like with vax.
What the science that's 100% fact? Bc the other good ideas haven't worked.
This isn't politics for me.
If you have ideas, tell me
I'll happily take them to my MDs. Most of the treatment we have are the same we have for any other bad viral pneumonia.. which is supportive care while your body heals itself. Just with this, the folks I see, don't
Again. I DONT SEE MOST FOLKS. I see the sickest of the sick, and they die.
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I'm more interested in a pretreatment therapy
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that would train our immune systems to create antibodies to fight the disease before we got sick.
I'd much rather have that than go through even 1/8th of the things he listed for any of his patients.
Not to mention, a pretreatment therapy would greatly reduce the stress on the doctors and nurses at hospitals.
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Re: I'm more interested in a pretreatment therapy
Aug 19, 2021, 9:24 AM
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that would train our immune systems to create antibodies to fight the disease before we got sick.
I'd much rather have that than go through even 1/8th of the things he listed for any of his patients.
Not to mention, a pretreatment therapy would greatly reduce the stress on the doctors and nurses at hospitals.
The vaccine is a pre treatment that prepares your immune system to better fight the virus if you contract it.
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Above my knowledge
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But I'm 42yo I remember it was 10-20 yrs for there to be anything effective against HIV.
Viruses are weird.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:16 PM
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I know you work your butt off, THANK YOU know that you are not responsible for the deaths. My Grandpaw always told me you........you can't help those that won't help themselves.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:19 PM
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Job well done in the crosswinds Waker … how many of these patients are compromised (COPD, congestive heart failure, diabetic, etc.) when you get them. How many are vaxxed and still die or near-death experience? Take care of yourself …
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:55 PM
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I don't do Soys work, but I do a lot of the math behind the scenes. Keeping it really simple:
mRNA vaccines are providing very good protection against hospitalizations. The research, which was conducted across 21 U.S. hospitals, found that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines remained between 84% and 86% effective against potential hospitalizations from March to July of this year. This includes the Deltya Strain in the data. Other studies show up to a 90% reduction in hospitalization as well.
Approximately anywhere from 15-20% of cases require hospitalization for vaccinated. Vaccines cut that by (lets say 85%). Lets say you have 100 people of vaccinated and unvaccinated exposed and would then contract the delta variant of the virus.
Thus, if 100 people without a vaccine catch the virus, as many as 20 people will be hospitalized (note, Soy said he had 10 ICU on his floor in a medium sized city). 10% of those cases will die. 2 people out of 100 will die (and this is the 2% mortality rate)
With the vaccine, the protection is layered. First, there is the 60% resistance to delta. Thus out of the 100 folks, 60 will be resistant. Next of the 40 who do become sick, only 85% of the 20% that would-be hospitalized population would need actual hospitalization (this it is 40 *.2 *.1). Vaccines reduce the hospitalization rate by 85%) So only 0.8 in 100 of vaccinated people would need to be hospitalized. Over 99.99% cases of hospitalized vaccinated covid cases survive.
So the chance to die from Covid with a vaccine is no better than 0.8*0.005 - or about >1 in 250 vs 1 in 50. Which would you pick?
And this is not counting for age or other factors etc etc, so if you are over 30, you need to start multipling the risk...
2X for 30-49, 4X for 50-59, 6K for over 60, 9X for over 74, and 15X over 85
Oh and if you are curious about deaths between Vaccinated vs unvaccinated: here
igure 2 Share of Overall COVID-19 Deaths by Those Fully Vaccinated v. Those Not Fully Vaccinated Among Reporting States
Cases Hospitalizations Deaths State Share of Overall Deaths Among Fully Vaccinated Share of Overall Deaths Among Not Fully Vaccinated* Alaska 2.3% 97.7% Arizona 1.0% 99.0% Arkansas 2.6% 97.4% California 0.2% 99.8% Connecticut 0.1% 99.9% Delaware 1.3% 98.7% District of Columbia 1.4% 98.7% Illinois 2.0% 98.0% Indiana 1.0% 99.0% Michigan 2.7% 97.3% Montana 3.1% 96.9% New Jersey 0.1% 99.9% New Mexico 0.3% 99.7% Oklahoma 0.4% 99.6% Oregon 0.9% 99.2% Tennessee 0.5% 99.5% Utah 1.4% 98.6% Virginia 1.5% 98.5% 98.5% Washington 2.1% 97.9%
NOTE: *Those not fully vaccinated includes those who are unvaccinated, not yet fully vaccinated, or where vaccination status is unknown. Only states that have collected data on breakthrough COVID-19 deaths for more than a month have been included. Deaths may include deaths that are not directly caused by COVID-19. SOURCE: KFF Analysis of State Level Data; Johns Hopkins University PNG
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Doc, in your third paragraph you stated, "Approximately anywhere from 15-20% of cases require hospitalization for vaccinated"
Did you mean "unvaccinated"? That's an important typo if so.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Darn, yup, it is supposed to say unvacciunated. Thanks for the catch (Hunter?)
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
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You do realize that statistics don't matter to the people who refuse to be vaccinated, most of whom seem to think that it can't be the right thing to do even though their demigod, DJT was trying his best to take the credit for getting the vaccines developed.
Thank you and Soywalker for all of the hard work you both have done and continue to do to try to help even those who refuse to help themselves.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 8:54 AM
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Sadly yes.
It isn't their attitude that I am trying to change but rather the few still on the fence that I could persuade as I am just tired of seeing bad data/information. The more bad information exists and is repeated, the more it gains validity within the public consciousness.
It isn't the statistics, but rather the struggle of discourse within the public venue that drives. action and policy. Bad data/information drives bad decisions and bad policy. You can still make bad decisions with good data but the chances of making good decisions with bad information are the chances of the coots winning a nattie. It ain't happening.
I am conservative, a classical libertarian and I have had enough of specific inaccurate ways of approaching this pandemic - which has only cost lives and freedoms.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
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I don't do Soys work, but I do a lot of the math behind the scenes. Keeping it really simple:
mRNA vaccines are providing very good protection against hospitalizations. The research, which was conducted across 21 U.S. hospitals, found that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines remained between 84% and 86% effective against potential hospitalizations from March to July of this year. This includes the Deltya Strain in the data. Other studies show up to a 90% reduction in hospitalization as well.
Approximately anywhere from 15-20% of cases require hospitalization for vaccinated. Vaccines cut that by (lets say 85%). Lets say you have 100 people of vaccinated and unvaccinated exposed and would then contract the delta variant of the virus.
Thus, if 100 people without a vaccine catch the virus, as many as 20 people will be hospitalized (note, Soy said he had 10 ICU on his floor in a medium sized city). 10% of those cases will die. 2 people out of 100 will die (and this is the 2% mortality rate)
With the vaccine, the protection is layered. First, there is the 60% resistance to delta. Thus out of the 100 folks, 60 will be resistant. Next of the 40 who do become sick, only 85% of the 20% that would-be hospitalized population would need actual hospitalization (this it is 40 *.2 *.1). Vaccines reduce the hospitalization rate by 85%) So only 0.8 in 100 of vaccinated people would need to be hospitalized. Over 99.99% cases of hospitalized vaccinated covid cases survive.
So the chance to die from Covid with a vaccine is no better than 0.8*0.005 - or about >1 in 250 vs 1 in 50. Which would you pick?
And this is not counting for age or other factors etc etc, so if you are over 30, you need to start multipling the risk...
2X for 30-49, 4X for 50-59, 6K for over 60, 9X for over 74, and 15X over 85
Oh and if you are curious about deaths between Vaccinated vs unvaccinated: here
igure 2 Share of Overall COVID-19 Deaths by Those Fully Vaccinated v. Those Not Fully Vaccinated Among Reporting States
Cases Hospitalizations Deaths State Share of Overall Deaths Among Fully Vaccinated Share of Overall Deaths Among Not Fully Vaccinated* Alaska 2.3% 97.7% Arizona 1.0% 99.0% Arkansas 2.6% 97.4% California 0.2% 99.8% Connecticut 0.1% 99.9% Delaware 1.3% 98.7% District of Columbia 1.4% 98.7% Illinois 2.0% 98.0% Indiana 1.0% 99.0% Michigan 2.7% 97.3% Montana 3.1% 96.9% New Jersey 0.1% 99.9% New Mexico 0.3% 99.7% Oklahoma 0.4% 99.6% Oregon 0.9% 99.2% Tennessee 0.5% 99.5% Utah 1.4% 98.6% Virginia 1.5% 98.5% 98.5% Washington 2.1% 97.9%
NOTE: *Those not fully vaccinated includes those who are unvaccinated, not yet fully vaccinated, or where vaccination status is unknown. Only states that have collected data on breakthrough COVID-19 deaths for more than a month have been included. Deaths may include deaths that are not directly caused by COVID-19. SOURCE: KFF Analysis of State Level Data; Johns Hopkins University PNG
Thank you for providing these numbers. Too Bad LowCountry and others do not want facts introduced into their conspiracy theories.
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Doors are closing on flight
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But
I'd say this round is 50/50
Some are very obese, COPD.. But they are like 35-45 yo
The others are 50-70yo, but in pretty decent shape.. maybe mild hypertension or 20 extra pounds, but not the chronic comorbidities of everyone we saw the first round.
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that really sucks
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glad you are helping
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:27 PM
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Bump so hopefully one person will change their mind after reading this and get vaxxed. Soy, that’s a brutal stretch. Glad you’re getting a break. Thanks for all you do and trying to bring reality to the issue.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:30 PM
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All these people not getting vaxed are going to keep y’all busy for the foreseeable future. I feel sorry for y’all. I don’t feel sorry for those who are eligible but refuse the vaccine. At all.
People that don’t trust Drs shouldn’t go to the hospital.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:31 PM
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According to data coming out of Ireland and Israel 50% of new hospitalizations are people that have been vaccinated.
Mark Packer was vaccinated.
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Mark Packer lived through his infection.
Aug 18, 2021, 2:34 PM
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Will you? Will others you care about?
Time will tell. The reality is you don't know any more about what will be the outcome from all of this, any more than anyone else.
Good luck!
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
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Esso, aside from hijacking Soy's thread, exactly what is your point, other than, also, being argumentative? He's on the frontlines of the medical community sharing heartfelt and, God knows, very weary thoughts. Are you in the medical community? What are your credentials? Another internet genius...is that it? Just like to be heard? Jeebus...put a sock in it...you added nothing to this thread. N.O.T.H.I.N.G.
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I don't see an esso post. Perhaps a blocked user...
Aug 18, 2021, 4:08 PM
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I maybe have 3 ever Idk ?????
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Re: I don't see an esso post. Perhaps a blocked user...
Aug 18, 2021, 6:29 PM
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He was addressing Lowcountry.
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Re: I don't see an esso post. Perhaps a blocked user...
Aug 18, 2021, 7:35 PM
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I let my...annoyance...blind me! Thanks for helping clarify my stupidity!
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This last run we had people who were vax. I just didn't have them on my floor
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I'm hearing our "sister " hospital in Roseville has many vax pts in icu
Typically what we are seeing now is that the vax pts are the high comorbidity pts.
The alarming thing about the unvax pts is that many of them.DO NOT have diabetes, htn, obesity, copd, etc....
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The vaccine works, and worked in Israel
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90% Vaccinated Adults 10% Unvaxxed
5.4 Million Vaccinated 0.6 Million Unvaxxed
The widely misinterpreted Israeli study cited 124 total hospitalized with serious symptoms:
50%Vaccinated= 62 patients 50%Unvaxxed= 62 patients
Vaccinated hospitalization rate vs population vaccinated: 62/5.4 Million Unvaccinated hospitalization rate vs population unvaccinated: 62/60000
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
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According to data coming out of Ireland and Israel 50% of new hospitalizations are people that have been vaccinated.
Mark Packer was vaccinated.
LowCountry,I have read your posts AdNauseam. The Vaccine based on "science" certainly,
-reduces the likelihood of an individual catching the virus -Reduces the risk associated with serious lung complications that require intubation. This is where the high risk of death occurs. -reduces the risk as a % of the whole for the, -unvaccinated morons. -people that can't receive the vaccine for some medical reason (do the math Low Country, if instead of 50% the US vaccination rate was at 80%, the the pool of people most at risk would be cut from 50% to 20%. See how that works? )
I understand that you have taken a position, and are going to stick with it no matter what anyone else presents, but you some how have equated the fact that a vaccinated person can get the virus , as the determining factor for it's effectiveness.
BTW , Mark Packer is back at work. He isnt being treated in and ICU intubated.
Get the #### shot for the rest of the country you selfish conspiracy theorist.
Go watch some of the regret in the interviews of people dying alone in hospitals , begging others to get the vaccine.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:39 PM
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Thanks for your dedication. We are seeing similar outcomes at our hospital here in the Charlotte metro area. Thankfully, today there is only one local hospital on diversion. Much better than previous 10 days where almost all were on diversion. We have 94 positives in our main hospital today.
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Hang in there friend
Aug 18, 2021, 4:11 PM
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At least we have a vax and PPE this go around. We are a 260-300 bed (I'm never sure bc during covid we'll make out patient areas into inpatient to have more beds)
We were at 70-80 covids.
Stay safe amigo
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:41 PM
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Keep your head up buddy. You’re doing an amazing job each and everyday.
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. I hope hits home with some of the most vulnerable.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 2:43 PM
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Hey Soy, I appreciate you sharing. Stay strong, feel bad you are seeing all this tragedy, again honored that you share with us.
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Pickens County schools have to go back to virtual learning..
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The Pickens County School District in South Carolina has moved back to virtual learning, after experiencing an outbreak of COVID-19 cases.
The district held an emergency session Friday where they announced a plan to shift temporarily to learning remote.
WSPA-TV reported that as of Friday afternoon, 142 students in the district had tested positive for COVID-19 and 26 employees had. Another 634 students were in quarantine, which was about five percent of the student body.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 3:01 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Those are some hard stories. I couldn’t imagine having the gal to do what you do.
That being said. Just remember you work in a place that constantly gets those types of cases it’s why ICUs exist. Those cases are the absolute worst of the worst and the rarest statistically speaking. The CDC numbers still show VERY SMALL percent of people dying, being intubated, and having servere illness from COVID.
The majority of which are NOT vaxxed. But it’s still a very small percentage either way. You know I’m not here to attack but to add my perspective to your personal accounts. BTW I got my first moderna a week ago. After my second I’m hoping it’ll all go away before my 8month booster is needed.
Thanks for what you do. Stay safe.
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My 8 months will be reached really soon and
Aug 18, 2021, 3:19 PM
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I will get the booster if it is still recommended when that time arrives. Like I posted a couple of days ago - being among that small percentage of folks who die isn't the worst thing in my view - I do not want long-term health problems that a larger percentage of people have like permanent damage to organs. I enjoy breathing normally and want to spend time up trees in deer season and zero time incapacitated.
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Re: My 8 months will be reached really soon and
Aug 18, 2021, 4:30 PM
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Thank you for that Clover65. That's such a point that gets overlooked, and those numbers are huge. Hard to lug an o2 tank up a tree, especially hard if you've had a foot removed etc from covid long haul.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 3:48 PM
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Congrats on getting the shot.
Anything 1 in 100 is consider to be "high risk" in the mortality realm. For example dying ion a car crash is 1 in 17,000ish. Even the "flu" which people like to point to is only fatal for those OVER 65 at a clip of 1 in 6,600 - I mean that is a huge swing. Even the flue in the elderly is around 1 in 2000.
Thus, 1 in 50 isn't "Very small". It is "High". Upwards of 1 in 5 are hospitalized.
If you go to the hospital with Covid, there is a 10% chance you are not walking out.
Another thing that is about 1 in 50 - A defense forcing a turnover.
But again, it comes back to how covid can spread quickly and push the number of chances. Thus if a home game unvaccinated population all catch Covid, 1,630 people will die.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 3:54 PM
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* correction 1 in 6,600 is for all flu cases, 1 in 2,000 for those over 65
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RJC, I appreciated what you offered last time
Aug 18, 2021, 4:06 PM
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Did you get my tmail?
I always try to preface with exactly what you said... I see the worst case scenarios, not the norms. I'll leave the national #s for yall to look up, I'm just trying to tell what I see.
But of these worst case scenarios, they are dying younger and faster and not with all the chronic illness of before. This is different.
They thought like many unvax... it can't happen to me. And it did.
I'm glad you got yours. I hope you never have to know if it made a difference in savi g yoi hospitalization or death.
Tiger Family We may bicker, but we're fam. All the love to you and yours.
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Re: RJC, I appreciated what you offered last time
Aug 18, 2021, 5:54 PM
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I did get your tmail. Thanks for the response.
For me it came down to this. Simple logic and time.
Two man made things. Both completely unknown. One is proven to kill or cause life long damage and complications in a small percentage of people. The other has no significant evidence of any long term effects but has been proven to reduce the small percentage of death and long term consequences of the other. Both have been around longer than one year.
For me it was just time. I always knew logically a vaccine made sense. My threshold for deeming the new vaccine safer than the new virus had been crossed. So I modernaed up.
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Dude, I love it. I respect it. And I think you nailed it.
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Seriously.
It's like the most logical and well thought response I could hope to hear people say. It's also consistent in many ways with why I got mine. I was nervous. I had reservations. But given my job and exposure, for me it made sense earlier.
For you and with this new wave, it's perfectly stated and accurate. I hope others consider your thoughts also.
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post in this thread.
soywaker® - incredible post - thank you for sharing - hard to imagine - you are right - The Clemson Family - there is nothing like it. I'm proud you are my Clemson Brother. And these posts help. Don't stop just because of the push back. All Families have whacked out, crazy uncles . . . ours, unfortunately, just have a microphone.
RunJumpCatch® - I have no idea what the right answer is - but you just verbalized how I came to what was right for me & my family better than I ever could - thanks for the post.
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Thanks Soywaker. I have shared your post with a friend.
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Hey Soy....
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Go Braves !!***
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#ChopOn***
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 3:38 PM
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Thank you Soy !!!!!
It's not real until it gets real and once it gets real, it's too late.
I do pray that you realize your posts have made a difference. You'll probably never know them but you have. Get some R & R!
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Hey Clemgal, thank you for that
Aug 18, 2021, 4:29 PM
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I know some will scoff or resist
I post for different reasons, and usually don't even mean to.. Last night was more like journaling to process what just happened with the combined hope that someone might understand what we are trying to do for the vax and unvax alike.. or maybe somebody already lost a loved one; we tried... or maybe it's in the hopes that people here "know" me well enough to trust me as a first hand source of what REALLY is.. then they can make their choices hopefully a little more informed.
I studied philosophy at Clemson I'm a libra My name is Jeffrey which means seeker of the light, keeper of the peace or something
I'm just trying to shine some light on MY real. Be well friend
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Soy, heck of a way to make a living. Thank you!
Aug 18, 2021, 4:04 PM
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Curious how many unvaxed, but previously CV-19 contracted patients end up in the shape you describe?
That you see or hear about in your hospital I mean.
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I don't really know.. I can only remember one
Aug 18, 2021, 4:33 PM
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but feel like maybe there was another
The one I remember was a nursing home chronic trach and PEG pt... For from a picture of good health in other words .
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Soy - thank you. Nothing else that I can say to you is
Aug 18, 2021, 4:11 PM
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enough.
To the rest of you playing politics or criticizing Soy or what the medical staffs in this country are doing:
f. u
c. k. you all.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 4:36 PM
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A great big THANKS!!!!
Just prayed for you and your coworkers safety and health!
Bless them Lord!
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For what it's worth....
Aug 18, 2021, 4:46 PM
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There's a difference between those who have opted, at the moment anyway, not to get the vax and those who are anti-vaxers. I would be one of the former. I'm early 50s male, in very good shape, not overweight at all, and, to my knowledge, have never even had the flu, much less COVID. I haven't had the flu shot ever. What I do not do well with, or haven't in the past anyway, is new medications. The few times I've had to take them, I've not responded well and my response has generally been the opposite of the majority. If the meds make most people drowsy, they make me wired. If they make most people wired, they make me drowsy.
I take supplements for my immune system, eat fairly well, and don't obsess on anti-bacterial things or whatever. I follow the 3-second rule if I drop an M&M. Maybe due to all of that, maybe just due to genetic luck of the draw, I rarely get sick and apparently have a reasonably strong immune system. But when I do, it evolves from a cold into a sinus infection because I have asthma. The asthma has never been bad - I've always led a very active life - windsurfing, cycling, soccer, tennis, running. But the sinus infections have been tough. Since taking the immune system supplements, I've not had a sinus infection in a couple of years. Fingers crossed? Good genes? I don't know.
I'm very attentive to my health. If I notice something off, I go to the doctor. My dad died of cancer b/c he let it linger to long before he got his symptoms treated, so I'm very aware of anything that is atypical. If I see something, I'll go to the doctor, especially if it seems like COVID. Might it be too late? Perhaps. But for me, who's rarely worn a mask and has worked in the office with his 60+ coworkers throughout all of this, I'm not concerned. I'm honestly more concerned about driving down the highway or interstate than I am about COVID right now. If there's reason for that to change, I'll get the vax. I don't rule it out. At this time, I'm simply opting not to.
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FYI, I have family members who also have opted not to
Aug 18, 2021, 4:59 PM
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get the vax, including one who is a physical therapist and one who has a PhD in genetics or something like that (she's so smart, none of us really know what she does!) and neither are getting the vaxes (just yet, anyway) nor do they recommend it. There's no conspiracy theories at the root of any of this - none of us are worried about microchips or gov't trackers or whatever. It's just a decision made for ourselves based upon the information we have currently about the vaccines and what each individual knows about themselves.
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I respect your post, thank you
Aug 18, 2021, 5:16 PM
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I think I just want people to know what I really experience from my ICU so you/they can make informed decisions.. not decisions based in ignorance or misinformation.
Of course I want people to get vax.. but I'm not judging.
Side note: when I was going into my gyms steam sauna for 10 mins 4-5 days a week (precovid) it's the 1st time in my life I had ZERO sinus headaches. Not even a sniffle. So I hear you. We live similarly, minus the mask part. Then again, our "offices" are very different ??
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Thanks & prayers for you Soy & all HC workers
Aug 18, 2021, 4:58 PM
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Complete gratitude for all you do!
Vaxxes for all who can and will take them are certainly important and hopefully they will prove increasingly effective.
My sincere hope is that the huge amount of effort & resources being directed toward vaccinations will also include a massive push to find more and better ways for medical professionals to TREAT the infected who become hospitalized and are already beyond help from a vax shot regardless of how or why they ended up in your care.
The sick need help no matter how they got sick.
And you deserve better Treatment Therapies from our Pharmaceutical companies who have been given incredible latitude and taxpayer resources to save our citizens from this threat to health & lives.
It's unconscionable that there is so little being done at the after infection treatment level to prevent hospitals from becoming merely death wards.
T's & P's again. Much love to you my brother!
GO TIGERS!!!
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Be careful
Aug 18, 2021, 5:03 PM
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You’re sharing some specific details that are borderline HIPAA violations
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How so?
Aug 18, 2021, 5:19 PM
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I work in an ICU in a hospital in Sacramento There are no names. No hospital name. Nothing in the pics. Ages and circumstances only.
I'm listening, I believe you're well intended, but what would the violation be?
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Soy, I just gave thanks to the Lord for you.
Aug 18, 2021, 5:54 PM
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To handle all that you described in your first post, then respond to this one in the way you did….really special cuz.
Just wanted you to know that.
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Re: How so?
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Not sure you crossed the line but date of admission, sex, age, basic details on family members, we know the city - just a web of info where someone who wanted to piece together might be able to.
Doesn’t matter to me, but like I said, just want you to be careful
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There's absolutely zero PII in any of his posts***
Aug 19, 2021, 1:59 PM
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Re: Be careful
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Nope. Not even close.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 5:23 PM
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What are the drugs you are administering? TIA, OCG
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 5:27 PM
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There are plenty of treatment options. They are being ignored by mainstream medicine. Why? From the beginning, intubation was seen as a death sentence. Judging from your recent posts that still seems to be the case.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 5:33 PM
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Thank you so much for your work ! Many nurse friends here in Atlanta that are having similar experiences I went for the vax the day I was approved Know for a fact I have been exposed and just got a negative PCR test today for an international trip I also wear a mask whenever I’m in a crowd Better safe than sorry I trust my PCP implicitly and he calmed any fears I had of the vaccine Enjoy a much deserved break
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 5:43 PM
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Soywalker, my wife asked what hospital you were working at in Sacramento? Thank you for your work & dedication to helping others with a loving heart ??
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I work for a Kaiser hospital inSacramento area. area.
Aug 25, 2021, 1:12 AM
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What sparks your curiosity?
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 7:43 PM
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I am in now way trying to imply anything with this post it is just a question:
Have you noticed anything in common with any of the people this is happening so quickly to other than no vax?
The only reason I ask is because I’m a soon to be 36 yr old Type 1 diabetic (had it for 23 yrs and my A1C has been around the 6.4 mark as low as 5.8 for years, I take it very seriously). I have not been vaccinated and had Covid last year (every symptom but before the tests were available) and then tested positive about a month ago. I’ve only experienced a fever and fatigue. Not much coughing or shortness of breath.
I’m just curious if anybody has any opinions with real world experience of why it affects some so horribly and others not at all. My father is 66 with AFIB and he got it last November, had almost no symptoms. But now there is a guy I know in his late 20s in decent shape being intubated.
I don’t get how it is so random.
Please share any insight of why you think (other than no vax) what could be causing this for these unfortunate patients.
I am asking this sincerely, I am not an anti-Vaxxer.
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All good amigo
Aug 20, 2021, 11:53 AM
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The answer is a yes and no.
It seems half the unvax also have comorbidities, esp obesity. With obesity comes hypertension and often dibebetes.
The other half are the healthy people but maybe instead of 30-50yo, these healthy unvax are 50-70. We don't really see too many people over 65. I'm just speculating that's bc that group is more scared and is vax.
It is baffling to me why some do just fine, and some don't at all.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 18, 2021, 7:46 PM
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As a fellow RN I concur. If only people would get their shot!
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 12:15 AM
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If the vax works so good why do y’all even worry? Figured y’all libs wanted to kill us off anyways.
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I'm not worried. I'm tired of working my ### off for people
Aug 20, 2021, 11:56 AM
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who I'm going to put in a bag anyways AND get livid when their families say, "What happened? I don't understand. You can't just let them die!"
Umm, max vent support, 4 vasopressors, we have done CPR 4 times today . We aren't just letting your loved one die, but they are dying.
This post is to serve warning of the real. You're not worried, don't get the vax. You get sick, stay home
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 1:34 AM
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What is a mystery to me, if these people who refuse the covid vaccination with the variants worse than the original covid, regardless of their age, the variants has proved to be deadlier. If they come into the hospital, they stand a good chance of never going back home, and that is crazy bc, the vaccines hasn't shown any signs of being a bad thing, and even if they do long term, at least there is a chance that it can be reversed if it did turn out to be bad long term. But if they are dead from covid when the vaccination could have saved them, it means that their chances ended with their refusal of the vaccine. Dead is dead anyway you look at it, but your chances of living longer is with the vaccine. And the chances of reversing anything long term with the vaccines is much better than not being vaccinated bc the vaccine is saving MILLIONS of lives without any vaccine threats on the lives of the ones that has vaccinated. The vaccine is saving lives Period, and every day of life is better than being dead forever!!!!
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Thanks for what you do but have another question?
Aug 19, 2021, 2:27 AM
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You said these patients were not vaxxed and I agree, you live with your choices.
But how many of these deaths are comorbidities? I had a 39yr old buddy that died in 7days, but he was obese, he smoked, and had diabetes. He is the prime description of person dying from Covid. I know 3 people that are in 70s that have had Covid and they survived, no hospital, but gave them a couple wks of aches coughs etc.
I heard a Dr talk on the Scientific World Forum and he said right now, their best calculations are 93% of Covid deaths are "Comorbidities". Just curious if you are seeing the same numbers? Now this was probably a study before new variant. But I'm not sure if there is serious new variant or if it's just scare tactics by politicians? I am vaxxed, but that same political question I just mentioned is the exact reason people don't trust politicians, well add in the fake news passed around on social media.
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I've addressed this several.tkmes in the thread but..
Aug 20, 2021, 12:00 PM
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Your buddy was obese and smoked. If he didn't have covid, would he have died from his obesity? Did smoking kill him? No. Covid did.
He would certainly have had a better chance without those things. But he didn't die from his comorbidities.
The 50-70yo are dying healthy currently. The 30-50yo are obese etx
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 2:45 AM
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Heavy stuff and reading it in a technical, but offhand way makes it even more powerful. Appreciate what you guys do.
Cali Tigers represent!
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 7:55 AM
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Thank you for your superhuman dedication. I'm sorry you're having to go through this hell--a hell which is mostly avoidable at this point.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 8:28 AM
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Sad. So many preventable deaths. So much resistance and distrust of science, the government.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 8:28 AM
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Sad. So many preventable deaths. So much resistance and distrust of science, the government.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 8:42 AM
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Get some rest and then...get some more! ??
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 8:55 AM
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Thank you, soywaker®
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 9:34 AM
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Yeah but they will die free and anti liberal anti science. Thats more important to them.
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 11:55 AM
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First & foremost thanks for the work you do, first responders, fire fighters, cops, nurses, doctors are all under appreciated.
This is from my recent experience with COVID, early 30s, healthyish (no underlying conditions, but definitely not a health freak), rarely get sick, but when I do it's typically not very fun.
My main issue is just the lack of information out there about home care 18 months into this thing.
***Not intended to be a COVID isn't that bad post***
The first week I was fine, felt like a sinus infection and had low grade fever but overall felt fine, was going on 2-3 mile walks every day just trying to stay somewhat active. day 7-8 turned to more of flu like feeling, aches, harsh cough, slightly higher fever. This had me pretty much stuck on the couch for 3 days.
I will admit, when it got in my chest it had me concerned as I felt I couldn't get a real good deep breath, so i reached out to a buddy whos an ER DR at our local hospital basically asking him if I should go in, I gave him the full synopsis of everything and he told me to send someone to CVS/Walgreens for a pulse oximeter (never heard of this). Get it, o2 was fluctuating 98-99% resting HR was mid 90s.
Shot him a text telling him this, he told me those 02 stats are great HR a little high most likely from being dehydrated, just told me double the amount of fluid currently consuming and take ibuprofen to reduce inflammation. I had been purposely not taking ibuprofen bc at the beginning of all this thats what I heard, and I never heard anything else.
Within an hour of taking Tylenol I felt 100x better, tylenol!! relieved the feeling in my chest that i couldnt breath, helped with body aches. He basically told me all the coughing had irritated my lungs causing inflammation.
He told me to keep monitoring 02 levels and HR, if 02 got in the 91-92% range go in because they are having success with some steroid can't remember the name but started with a D and if resting HR got in the 130-140 range go in as this is could be a sign of blood clot in lungs. He did say the timing of the steroid was important, if stats were too low not effective and too high would actually make you feel worse.
I guess my entire point of this whole rant, is why isn't all this common knowledge at this point? I was very close to going to the hospital because honestly I didn't know where else to go, but I also didn't know if i needed to go, if you google "when should i go to hospital with covid?" it's just a bunch of very generic "if you feel you can't breath or fever is x" articles. Believe me, I googled it, thats how bad I was feeling.
Had I gone into the hospital I would have unnecessarily put DRs/nurses at risk, and taken away resources from those more in need. It's the main thing I've been thinking about. They say hospitals are at the breaking point, idk how many people are unnecessarily coming in but if you could keep the majority of them out, I'd imagine it'd have to help things. On flip side, how many people are waiting too long, and potentially could have been saved if they came in earlier.
Basically every news channel has had constant COVID stats for 18 months, Why not also constantly mention these $20-30 devices that monitor 02 levels/hr, and say these stats are good, these are a sign you should seek medical attention.
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Sorry you got it, glad you're good!! Great post!
Aug 20, 2021, 12:27 PM
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It doesn't occur to me that people don't know these things. I work for an HMO with a call center you would use before going to the hospital. So my sistem.would direct you through all of that.
If you don't have that Then yes It's good to know exactly what you posted.
Most smartphones have a health app and you can check.your o2 sat using your smartphone by placing your finger on the pad where you sign in, etc.
Or,go buy a $30 o2 monitoring kit.
The steroid is dexamethasone, decadron.
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I say by now, if a person is not vaxed and gets it
Aug 19, 2021, 12:47 PM
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insurance should not have to pay a dime and they shouldn't go to the hospital
You wanted to roll the dice. It's just the flu right?
"There are so many treatment options!" The vax is the treatment option!
Sit your stupid ### at home and die from the hoax virus
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Re: I say by now, if a person is not vaxed and gets it
Aug 19, 2021, 12:52 PM
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Yeah I'm in agreement there
Aug 19, 2021, 12:54 PM
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like pregnant women they were telling them don't get the shot yet until we know more.
But once they clear it (like they did with pregnant women) go get the shot.
My BIL and SIL still have not gotten the shot and she's pregnant, he's just a fat chain smoking Trumper that will probably not survive if he gets it.
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All-In [31907]
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I think it's implied that people that can't get it for...
Aug 20, 2021, 1:19 PM
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medical reasons are exempt from the disdain. In fact, they are some of the prime motivation for others TO get vaccinated.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Orange Blooded [3038]
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Re: Layover on way home to Chas.. don't read real covid experience
Aug 19, 2021, 4:47 PM
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Thank you for all that you do. There are a lot of us not on the front lines who fully understand what you're exposed to.
It's amazing that there are individuals out there that are choosing not to take this particular vaccine as their literal hill to die on. It's madness.
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