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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Unqualified white dudes rejoice!
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Sep 10, 2025, 1:58 PM
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Back to an uneven playing field.
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Tiger Spirit [9920]
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Re: Unqualified white dudes rejoice!
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:02 PM
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Clown comment of the day, so far.
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Game Changer [2029]
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Re: Unqualified white dudes rejoice!
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People don't realize how diverse Chemical Engineering is without made up government quotas.
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Are you sure about that?
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We don't need quotas. We need a level playing field.
Almost 70% of scientists and engineers employed in the U.S. are white. As the U.S. is growing more diverse, the engineering field is not following suit. For example, Hispanic individuals account for only 6% of workers in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) occupations, although they make up 15% of U.S. adults. Black individuals make up 5% of the STEM world, but 12% of the total U.S. population aged 21 and older. Women account for only 15% of the engineering workforce, but make up 51% of the total U.S. population.
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Tiger Spirit [9920]
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Re: Are you sure about that?
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The fact that a population of people in a group is not balanced equivalently with the population of the US does not indicate there is a problem that needs to be fixed. Not every field, every job, every subgroup, every title, every company will or should have the same distribution of demographics as everyone else. And does not mean the playing field is not level.
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Do you have any facts to support your position?
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:20 PM
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Or is it just whiteboysplaining?
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Tiger Spirit [9920]
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Re: Do you have any facts to support your position?
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Let me get this straight - you need me to provide facts in order for you to understand that every professional field of work doesn't have to have a distribution of 51% women and 15% hispanics?
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Tiger Spirit [9595]
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Re: Do you have any facts to support your position?
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:31 PM
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Its racism til you prove otherwise whiteboi! Lol.
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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What is it called when you assume women and people of color are not qualified
Sep 10, 2025, 2:48 PM
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for these jobs?
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Tiger Spirit [9920]
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Re: What is it called when you assume women and people of color are not qualified
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Where in this thread did anyone assume women or people of color are not qualified? Did you ever think maybe, just maybe, there are not enough qualified women interested in Engineering to make up 51% of the workforce? Just like there are not enough qualified men that want to be nurses to make up 49% of that workforce?
Your premise is asinine and your "show me facts" rebuttals is just a smokescreen to hide from the obvious evidence that you have no earthly clue what you are trying to say.
You are the epitome of "It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's #### near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person".
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Glad to hear you have no problem with diversity, equity and inclusion programs
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Sep 10, 2025, 3:02 PM
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designed to level the playing field among qualified individuals.
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Tiger Spirit [9407]
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Its called DIDNT EARN IT for a reason, loser.***
Sep 10, 2025, 3:48 PM
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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See what I mean.***
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Tiger Spirit [9407]
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Youre a racist, yes, we all see that.***
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Sep 10, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Drink more decaf.
Sep 10, 2025, 3:55 PM
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And read a book.
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Game Changer [1728]
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Re: Do you have any facts to support your position?
Sep 11, 2025, 12:16 PM
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Why doesn't anyone complain that women aren't equally represented in construction or manufacturing? These groups pick and choose where they want equality.
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Re: Do you have any facts to support your position?
Sep 11, 2025, 1:23 PM
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there needs to be more women in the waste management field and the term garbage man should be garbage person.
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How about the best person for the job, gets the job.***
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Exactly. Hire qualified individuals.
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:33 PM
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Not just the white dudes. That's the point.
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Re: How about the best person for the job, gets the job.***
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There are racial imbalances in all types of sports as well as other endeavors that require great knowledge. While some people have no problem, explaining the imbalance in sports, they have a problem with explaining the imbalance and knowledge based skills.
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Re: How about the best person for the job, gets the job.***
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Don’t mind him. He just hates white people and believes white privilege is a real thing. There are more white dudes in chemical engineering because more white dudes major in chemical engineering.
It’s not that hard.
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Redshirt [97]
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Re: How about the best person for the job, gets the job.***
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:43 PM
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There are racial imbalances in all types of sports as well as other endeavors that require great knowledge. While some people have no problem, explaining the imbalance in sports, they have a problem with explaining the imbalance in knowledge based skills.
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Ultimate Tiger [34617]
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Please stop
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:37 PM
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Triggering racist clowns with facts and information it’s unkind to the less fortunate lmao
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Sep 10, 2025, 3:05 PM
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Are you saying that there’s a level playing field for white men and professional basketball? The only goal should be excellence in your field.
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Associate AD [1004]
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 10, 2025, 11:51 PM
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But what if there isn’t a stat keeper to determine if someone is excellent at their job?
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Paw Warrior [5046]
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 10, 2025, 3:22 PM
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No they aren't.
They are mostly Chinese and Indian which aren't minorities since there are billions of them, but if you hate white people maybe that's good enough for you?
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 10, 2025, 4:04 PM
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So should the sports teams have these same percentages as athletes, regardless of their ability. So, going 2-10 in football is just peachy as long as we get the percentages of players the same as their population? Which class taught you those thoughts at Clemson.
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Associate AD [1042]
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Learn how to score better on Math and Science exams
Sep 10, 2025, 11:26 PM
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Then, you will level the playing field. Funny thing about STEM course work and profession. Incompetence can’t hide.
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Different folks like different things. 75-ish % of teachers are women. Is that
Sep 10, 2025, 11:31 PM
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a problem or the are they wanted to be in?
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Re: Are you sure about that?
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Tell that to the NBA and the NFL. The USA system is based on merit, not skin color......or at least it is supposed to be. Who cares what race an engineer is if he/she is good at it?
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Associate AD [1004]
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 11, 2025, 10:09 AM
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Using the NFL/NBA as an argument against DEI is a bad comparison. Those leagues only look like pure meritocracies because they’re built on strict, socialist-style structures that level the playing field: drafts to allocate talent fairly, salary caps, publicly transparent salaries, strict limits on practice hours, standardized schedules, collective bargaining agreements, revenue sharing, anti-tampering and fully transparent performance metrics (every play, every stat). These safeguards keep one or two organizations from hoarding all the advantages. Most private companies don’t have anything like that—compensation, hiring decisions, and evaluations are opaque and subjective, and opportunities often depend on who you know. That’s why DEI policies exist: to put some guardrails in place where none naturally exist.
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 11, 2025, 8:04 AM
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And by setting aside a certain number of jobs for these groups whether they are qualified or not is the answer? I will never agree that is the right way. Hire the most qualified regardless and your company will be better in the long run! I da mn sure don't want a DEI hire flying my plane just because he/she were given the job just to satisfy a quota!
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 11, 2025, 10:22 AM
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That makes a huge assumption that everyone in the company shares the same goal as the company itself, which is rare in my professional experience.
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DEI still requires you to be qualified
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You don't lower your hiring standards, the policy just broadens your recruiting pool. The company I work for has DEI policies in hiring. If anything, white women have benefited the most from the policy.
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Re: Are you sure about that?
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The playing field is only unlevel in that everyone born in the USA is 1000 steps ahead of everyone else in the world.
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Re: So What? Whoever has the grades and graduates
Sep 11, 2025, 8:49 AM
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Will be hired. We don't want or need your stupid quotas unless you're going to apply the same standards to the NBA and NFL. If not, shut the #### up.
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 11, 2025, 9:54 AM
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Now you’ve convinced me. Let’s see that same philosophy employed in the NBA & NFL now. Level that playing field.
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Re: Are you sure about that?
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They don’t have to use it because they level the playing field with so many other socialist concepts like salary minimums, salary caps, anti-tampering policies, drafts, etc. if you want the US to adopt those same policies in the private sector, I think everyone would agree that DEI is redundant.
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 11, 2025, 12:01 PM
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Do you think there should be more white football and basketball players? Asking for myself... 
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Re: Are you sure about that?
Sep 11, 2025, 1:24 PM
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Seems just about perfect as the US is 71% white. So this field is right in line.
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Re: Unqualified white dudes rejoice!
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Back to an uneven playing field.
Get back on the short bus!
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Back to an uneven playing field.
That’s the dumbest comment of the day
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Re: Unqualified white dudes rejoice!
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And here is Captain ###### on yet another thread stirring the pot. You are the very reason people don't like DEI. You sit and type all #### day and contribute nothing. 33k posts. Get a life old fella.
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Clemson Icon [26065]
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Please expound on why some white dudes don't like diversity, equity & inclusion
Sep 10, 2025, 4:04 PM
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programs designed to address implicit racial bias and level the playing field in white male dominated industries?
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: Unqualified white dudes rejoice!
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They playing field is level. No one is restricted from pursuing a degree in the STEM sector.
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Rival Killer [2913]
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The qualified now have an advantage, no matter their superficial characteristics***
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Paw Warrior [5044]
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Theres a politics board
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That’s where this goes. ChemE curriculum has nothing to do with football, moran
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Re: Theres a politics board
Sep 10, 2025, 3:25 PM
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You beat me to it!! 😂
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Re: Theres a politics board
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Yet ole Chuckston Tbagger just came off another thread saying that the convo had nothing to do with football.
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Re: Clemson removes chemistry DEI program after controversy
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So people should get a job based on their skin color? Like the way Biden went out of his way to put a black woman on the supreme court. You liberals are the most racist people on earth. That's the definition of racism.
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^^^This is what implicit racial bias looks like.***
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Re: ^^^This is what implicit racial bias looks like.***
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Biden literally said he was only gonna consider black females. How does that make anyone who then repeats what Biden said guilty of anything? It clearly makes Biden a racist as if Trump said tomorrow he was only going to consider a white male for his next SC appointment It would also be racist. So how does commenting on Bidens statement make one guilty of racism, implicit or otherwise, again?
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Ok, Clemson made great strides today with this move, congratulations true leadership, this takes guts. 😂
No doubt the MAWA (make America white again) crowd will sleep well tonight.
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Rival Killer [2998]
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Re: Clemson removes chemistry DEI program after controversy
Sep 10, 2025, 3:49 PM
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Hey Tiger nickie shouldn’t this be on the politics board or maybe the Maga board or maybe the reality TV star board?
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Orange Blooded [2306]
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What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
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When I was in the Navy, circa 1985, anyone, and I mean anyone, could apply to train and fly an F/A-18 Hornet. Not everyone qualified, including me, but I don't recall being angry about it...
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Re: What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
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But most interviews aren’t a blind qualifications test. Most are a social interaction.
Many studies show that randomly selecting candidates for a position is equal to or better long term than hiring managers attempting to select the most qualified individual. If you use a traditional interview process, you don’t get the most qualified person, you get the best interviewer. Was the kind that won student president in your school the right person or just the most popular? Probably more people would say it was just most popular, but surely not all the time.
The misunderstanding of DEI by the right aisle is that there has to be a villain in this story in order for there to be a person that requires help. But the villain isn’t a person it’s a feature of human biology called bias, which is an incredibly powerful tool and boon to humans, it’s what allows us to solve highly complicated issues with a small and novel data set. but it does have to be checked in specific situations. The same way you wouldn’t want use buck shot to hunt dove, right tool for the right job and all that.
If you don’t believe people unintentionally hire based on things like race and gender then just read about the blind audition process of the American orchestra. It’s probably the most interesting intersection of this debate. Blind auditions so that selections would be made in merit alone. This significantly increased female representation in orchestra especially male dominated sections like brass as the policy was adopted, but strangely has not done much to improve racial representation. Quite the riddle, but pretty strong support that implicit bias exists and the road to #### may be paved with good intentions. The irony is that some progressives want to remove the blind audition because it will allow a more quota driven audition process. And I really hate that idea! The only reason DEI is needed is because most interviews don’t have a solution as easy as a performance behind a screen to help us manage our biases and find the right candidate. In a situation where that is possible, of course you should use it!
Anyway, rant over.
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Re: What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
Sep 11, 2025, 8:44 AM
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Yet Indian and Asian Americans are the highest compensated racial groups in America - ahead of even whites.
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Tiger Spirit [9595]
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Re: What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
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And Asian Americans are the most discriminated against with regards to getting into colleges.
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Orange Blooded [2530]
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Re: What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
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Doesn't fit the narrative when people of color succeed on their own accord. We need to keep them looking to their "white saviors" on the Left.
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Re: What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
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First, effective DEI is about addressing implicit bias in the selection process was, not leveling salaries. But if that is your smoking gun, that difference can be explained by educational level, but when held the same ie Indians with a Bachelor degree compared to white colleagues with a bachelor degree, the average Indian employee earns slightly less. The percentage of Indians with an advanced degree is just that much higher. And they are discriminated against more in the college admissions process, maybe something like DEI could help address that.
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Orange Blooded [2530]
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Re: What's wrong with the simple idea of a meritocracy?
Sep 11, 2025, 11:14 PM
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Mildly interesting, but minimal differences between whites and Indians can be explained by a variety of factors besides race, like communication skills, that can be a real requirement for certain jobs. It is not necessarily their skin color. But the bigger elephant in the room is; why can't other racial groups attain the same academic and professional success that Indians and Asians have achieved?
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Re: Clemson removes chemistry DEI program after controversy
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Yawn
This is really important stuff
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