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TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:23 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 6:26 PM
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Accountability? When can we expect that big refund check from Dabo then?
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 10:30 PM
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With coaches earning 8-10 mil a year there should be money to pay for full time refs but none of us believe the real problems reside in refereeing?
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He really needs to move on past this
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:24 PM
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Especially since it appeared to be a good call against #8.
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Re: He really needs to move on past this
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:29 PM
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regardless of what happened Saturday, he's not wrong. Ive been saying this for years in EVERY sport. Baseball probably being the worst. Why is it that no one can criticise a referee or umpire? The fact that Angel Hernandez kept his job for so long was criminal
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Re: He really needs to move on past this
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Nov 5, 2025, 10:52 AM
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I agree. That’s not what lost this game ultimately but the timing of it should have been a no call. Also the ref taking two hours to throw the flag makes you wonder what he’s thinking.
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Re: He really needs to move on past this
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Nov 5, 2025, 10:57 AM
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Also, people are not talking about that second flag that we got on offence that really hurt us. I didn’t see OPI. Guess a judgment call. These are their part-time jobs. They’re human beings and they like sports or they wouldn’t be refs. So I’m sure some like gambling as well.
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Re: He really needs to move on past this
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:40 PM
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Completely disagree. Wake fans have been - legitimately - raising this same gripe after the debacle at the end of the Wake-GT game where a blatant off-sides was simply not called. Had it been called, the game would be over. The GT defender is probably still in the neutral zone right this very moment. And that play likely was far more critical in the grand scheme of things: Wake would have a victory and a tie breaker over GT in the conference standings but for an egregious non-call.
ACC officiating this year has been at its worst in years; Clemson is just the latest to have to deal with it. I wanted Dickert to raise a freaking stink about the call in the GT game and get fined for it. But that's a tall ask of a first-year coach with no conference track record. Dabo on the other hand has much more ability to speak his mind.
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Re: He really needs to move on past this
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:38 AM
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Agreed. This isn’t anything new people been screaming at college officiating and especially the ACC for years. I haven’t agreed with Dabo much lately, but he’s dead on with this. There is way too much at stake now, and the gambling thing only adds more skepticism when you see some of these calls.
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:18 AM
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No why zhould you just sweep under the rug game changing wrong calls and then fineing the coach for objecting ABSOLUTE ILLEGAL GAME FIXING SHAME ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
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Nov 4, 2025, 2:05 PM
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It was actually pass interference on the receiver and the defender. It should have been a no call
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Or at worst penalties on both teams; replay 4th down.***
Nov 4, 2025, 2:27 PM
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Re: Or at worst penalties on both teams; replay 4th down. No call
Nov 4, 2025, 2:46 PM
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otherwise they get a do over for committing a penalty
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Re: Or at worst penalties on both teams; replay 4th down. No call
Nov 4, 2025, 3:23 PM
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Agreed - but the worst case scenario should have been penalties on both teams. Not an ideal call, but if you have the opinion that there was DPI, one should be able to at least acknowledge that there was also OPI. DPI only shouldn't have even been an option.
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Nov 4, 2025, 7:52 PM
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Agree on the no call. I hate it when they don't let the players decide the outcome. A no call and it's a Clemson win. Way too much hand fighting to make a call on that on against either player.
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With an uncatchable ball. QB was running for his life and threw up a prayer
Nov 4, 2025, 8:10 PM
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But it was an awful lot of holding by Terrell without looking for the ball (as per usual).
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Nov 5, 2025, 8:43 AM
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Agreed you could easily see it that way. For sure you shouldn’t let a call like that determine the outcome of a game no matter how teams have played up to that point.
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Nov 4, 2025, 4:30 PM
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Yep. Lots of folks on here need to watch the end zone video.Dani is whining to evade his own accountability.
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Nov 4, 2025, 6:12 PM
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For everybody that is saying that Dabo needs to move past this is wrong. If he moves past this and doesn't demand that refs are held accountable for bad or missed calls, then everyone would be saying that he is a terrible coach for not standing up for his players. Many games have been lost or chances missed for teams because a ref made a call that was clearly wrong or missed and can't be reviewed. He is more than right for asking that refs be held accountable for making #### poor calls. Especially ones that can severely affect the outcome of a game such as this.
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Nov 4, 2025, 6:29 PM
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Dabo is 100% correct. It was clearly offensive pass interference. The announcers said this immediately. The defender has I right to position on the field and intercepting the pass. The offensive receiver cant run oved or push the defender, which is exactly what he did. Too important of a call to not be able to challenge. Coaches should have 3 unreviewable foul challenges a game! The refs have too much ability to completely ruin any game and change the outcome. This is unfair. Refs make bad calls ALL THE TIME, as proven by the reverses made on reviewable calls!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:24 PM
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That's what I'm talkimg about CDS. Call it out for what it is. He's not telling any lies. This is long overdue for being said. CDS may take heat for saying this but I dare anyone to say he is lying.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:49 PM
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He is stating facts. There is no accountability for crooked and incompetent refs in college sports.
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:29 PM
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Prepare for flags flying Saturday and they will not be in Clemson’s favor.
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Unfortunately, that will be true.***
Nov 4, 2025, 2:13 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:30 PM
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Honestly, I think they should get rid of refs and just make an AI program that has limiters set that calls the penalty’s. It would be the only unbiased way and AI can do the job 100x better and more efficient.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:33 PM
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ehh that might make things a little too hard to watch. every drive would take twice as long.
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:41 PM
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Yea until flags are getting called for things they should be like holding and players would eventually adjust accordingly. Refs are too unpredictable and have a tendency to favor teams friends and family have bets on. Interesting.
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:34 PM
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So Dabo is moving from gas lighting fans to gas lighting refs. Anything for a distraction from the dumpster fire you’ve created, huh, coach?
He’s acting like a clown. Get your team and your house in order instead of throwing stones.
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🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 3:46 PM
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Somehow, I don’t think Dabo would be calling out the refs, like he has for the last 48 hours, if Duke had been on the receiving end of the call and had been the team to lose.
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Agreed. Can we roll tape on all of the examples of poor execution and coaching
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Nov 4, 2025, 3:11 PM
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throughout the game to show the real reason for the dreadful outcome? As Coach Wooden said, a team should be good enough that officiating does not determine the game. We were obviously not good enough on Saturday. How about the D getting a stop in that final 90+ yd drive while playing in front of a home crowd? I wish he would focus on that which is something he can control. I guess windshield mentality is a selectively applied term.
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These refs make $1500-$3000 per game
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:44 PM
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Easy pickings for deep-pocketed gamblers and organized crime.
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Re: These refs make $1500-$3000 per game
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Nov 4, 2025, 2:00 PM
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That's roughly 25-30K for 12 days of work. On top of what they make from their day job. Id say they are doing ok.....
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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🤫🤫🤫 Coach Swinney...The Refs R Not Your Problem...I Don't Know If U Heard This Phrase While Growing Up In Alabama🤔....But Here In South Carolina We Grew Up Knowing This:
LOSERS MAKE EXCUSES🎯🎯🎯
WINNERS GET ER DONE🌞🌞🌞
Stop Now With The PAST Highlight Reel Talk
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Man In The Mirror🌞🌞🌞
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 2:01 PM
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Thats cute, but did he say anything that was wrong? No? oh well, at least you got to make your cute little post....
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Dabo is not wrong.
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Nov 4, 2025, 4:13 PM
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But it’s a bad look to keep harping on this when you lost the game and are in the midst of one of the most disappointing and underachieving college football seasons in recent memory.
Timing, knowing your audience, reading the room, etc.
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When is it a good look?
Nov 4, 2025, 6:49 PM
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Only when you win the game and then you’re being nit picky about calls?
What if there was no call? Would Manny be justified in calling out refs, thinking there should have been DPI called that resulted in him losing the game?
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Re: Dabo is not wrong.
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The point is as bad as we played at times, it was a win except for an atrocious call by a ref who decided to insert himself into the game. In that situation, there should be a no call unless it is absolutely a blatant foul, which this one wasn't.
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Cool. Maybe next time let's not let the game be on the line when Dook's going
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for their SIXTH touchdown.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 1:56 PM
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He's making a bad season worse with his endless complaining. If his defense could get a stop, this would be a non-issue. Enough already.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 2:07 PM
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Set aside the defensive performance - that's already been publicly criticized, discussed, and dissected, including by Coach Swinney, himself. But, his public criticism, discussion, or dissection of officiating incurs a $10k fine. That's his whole point, and, apparently, he's the only coach or administrator in this conference willing to make it. And we aren't the only team to get absolutely jobbed by the refs this season.
The officiating in some games make me wonder if the officials are on the take or if all of this is just K-Fabe.
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it is very obvious that disney corp is 100% of all of the problems in cfb they have pushed:
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free agent portal system without consequences
they arrange media payouts with different leagues, deciding who they want ahead by the dollar amounts
their propaganda networks promote the teams and leagues they want to come out on top and they repeat their preferences ad-nauseum on every one of their networks and outlets - manipulating recruiting and possibly outcomes and slandering people who don't go along with their 'vision'. they repeat it so often that some mindnumbed robots buy into every drooling sentence they utter. (I have even seen their propaganda on this board)
Now their network owns a huge sports betting site so suddenly the ncaa says it's fine for even players to bet on games. Mind you, The late, great Pete Rose ol' Charlie Hustle himself is banned from admission into the HOF for his betting when he was a manager, not a player - regardless of his stellar playing career.
They have bought the sport lock, stock and barrel. Schools don't even control what time their games will be played in their home stadiums anymore.
get rid of this poison to right the ship, there is no other way.
I could go on, but it's pointless because some people foolishly think their ownership of cfb just fine.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
Nov 4, 2025, 4:57 PM
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They had the opportunity to get the stop and win the game on the 2 point conversion.
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I mean the timing isn't very good, but
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He ain't wrong.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 2:08 PM
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We need to move on…
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
Nov 4, 2025, 2:12 PM
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But, but it's just a game! Played by mostly teenagers!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
Nov 4, 2025, 2:14 PM
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Water under the bridge
What are your plans to fix your mess ?
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 2:19 PM
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drop it. If you played a little defense it wouldnt have been a problem
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I agree.
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Nov 4, 2025, 3:06 PM
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They should be fined for missed and blown calls.
But I don't believe now is the time or place to be publicly debating that point, given our record.
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Let each head coach get 1 or 2 challenges a game and use video replay to make
Nov 4, 2025, 3:06 PM
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a quick adjudication. The "system" already does this for any targeting call and wouldn't be difficult to implement. As we've seen with the targeting reviews - many times the call on the field is incorrect so to think that the refs are making all the other penalty calls correctly is fantasy.
We definitely don't need to slow the game down with every penalty being reviewed by the booth and that is why I would severely limit penalty video reviews to strictly challenges with each team only getting one or two per game. I would also make it to where the challenge could include a "missed" penalty that could be reviewed. If such a system were available Wake Forest would have beaten GA Tech earlier this year (those of you that watched the game know what I'm talking about).
Ultimately - we all want an accurately called game. A limited challenge video review system would allow coaches the opportunity to get a second opinion in critical situations/questionable calls - especially where those calls/no calls can alter the outcome of a game.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 3:27 PM
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Dabo is not wrong on anything he said here.
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Goodness Dabo, give it a freaking rest.***
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Nov 4, 2025, 4:44 PM
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It is no way a good call by the trash ACC official! It was either a no call or a call against both Duke and Clemson with off-setting penalties and in that case either way we would have won the game.
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Nov 4, 2025, 7:12 PM
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If the penalty was off setting, they would have replayed the down. So, you can't be sure that Duke would not have scored on the next play.
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For a person being paid 11 million a year and cannot be fired due to a fee to high for the school to afford how dare you make your comments. We expect students and athletes to zip it and you are included. You are not accountable. You have fleeced the school over the last 6 years. When you make bad hires you expect the school to pick up the buyouts. You need to control yourself
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You just need to shut up. Some folks have yet to touch the hem of
Nov 4, 2025, 6:36 PM
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Dabo's garment. Watch ye therefore, for ye know not when the master of the house cometh.
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Varsity [116]
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
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Nov 4, 2025, 7:52 PM
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Dabo is absolutely correct and should continue to blow this horn until changes are made. With so much on the line, all calls should be reviewable. Who decided what can be reviewed and what is not reviewable? In the last five minutes, everything should be reviewable.
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Head Coach [981]
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Re: TNET: Swinney says college referees have no public accountability, leave carnage behind
Nov 4, 2025, 10:46 PM
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I enjoy Clemson fans(?) and those from other teams telling Dabo to get "over it" with bad refereeing...until it happens to their team. The avoidance of this "elephant in the room" needs to be addressed and reviewed. It's been a problem since 1869 when Princeton played Rutgers in the 1st college football game...and Princeton is still complaining about the bad call that cost them the game 6-4, but I digress. Coaches (and ADs) have been told to shut up or they will face consequences. If the various college leagues and the NCAA (aka College Presidents and Chancellors) who have continue to keep their heads in the sand, one day we'll have another NIL and portal cluster situation...and let the courts get involved (read gambling/betting) and it will really get FUBARed!
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Letterman [199]
TigerPulse: 45%
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Dabo is such a sad loser ya think he'd work harder at winning than....
Nov 5, 2025, 12:14 AM
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deciding to cuss out his players who all seemed to just ignore the old youth pastor.
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