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Orange Elite [5157]
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Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:41 AM
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I'm awake and refreshed an hour earlier than usual, giving me time to read the apocalyptic musings of what can be only described as the horde of little Finebaums who invariably spring out of the shrubs every time the Tigers stub their toes.
Judge Keller fired off a final salvo before going to bed, saying the coaching staff is the problem, while intimating that Dabo Swinney may not need to go, but, it's hard to see how he can stay.
Then the pitchfork-and-torch NIL/portal crowd is on its soapbox, reminding us all how right they are, and how wrong the program has gone.
It's all such a tired take, as if firing Swinney and adopting the Norvell method of program building are the answers.
Yes, Clemson got throttled last night. There's no disputing it. They performed like a half-inflated bicycle tire in every phase of the game.
But it's one game. It's not all the games. An ACC title is still on the table, and with it a playoff berth.
If they skid into the finish, lose to the cacks, miss the ACCCG and the playoffs, I'd be willing to admit that they built me up, buttercup, just to let me down in the end.
But I won't join in with those whose response to adversity is to start chucking verbal water bottles at Swinney's head from the comfort of their seats in the stands.
Go Tigers. On to the next one.
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Solid Orange [1327]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:45 AM
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ACC title is still on the table? How?
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I believe that Clemson, Miami and SMU all have ACC games left to play.
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:47 AM
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And that the outcomes of those games are not yet determined.
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Solid Orange [1327]
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Re: I believe that Clemson, Miami and SMU all have ACC games left to play.
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:51 AM
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True.
Anything is possible.
But very unlikely they’ll lose.
And it’s more likely we drop one or both of our two remaining games.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Georgia Tech 28, Miami 23.
Nov 11, 2024, 9:57 AM
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You were saying?
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Scout Team [88]
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Re: I believe that Clemson, Miami and SMU all have ACC games left to play.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:21 AM
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Good argument against the ACC having an automatic bid. If there’s a reasonable scenario where this CU team makes the playoffs, then the system is badly broken. I can’t see how they stay top 20 much less top 12.
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Standout [235]
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Re: I believe that Clemson, Miami and SMU all have ACC games left to play.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:53 AM
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The thing about SMU and Miami is those programs, players, Head Coaches, etc. Are all hungry to WIN. They want it more, they won't show up like we did last night against anybody
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Well Miami certainly showed up like that against Cal.
Nov 3, 2024, 1:56 PM
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Save a call there at the end of the game, Miami may have flown home with a loss.
And I haven't watched SMU, and can't say if they've had any close calls. I reckon they have, as all teams have them.
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All-TigerNet [5942]
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Re: Well Miami certainly showed up like that against Cal.
Nov 3, 2024, 5:44 PM
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They ABSOLUTELY should have lost to Duke just last week.
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Scout Team [85]
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Re: Well Miami certainly showed up like that against Cal.
Nov 4, 2024, 1:32 PM
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If Duke had any kind offense they would have beaten Miami, they won the first half. Their defense got gassed in the second half because of their offense.
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Rival Killer [2708]
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Yes. But we knew it would get stupid all up in here***
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:47 AM
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Orange Elite [5157]
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It's like being trapped in a busted elevator with Gilbert Godfrey.
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:48 AM
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Orange Blooded [2275]
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Re: It's like being trapped in a busted elevator with Gilbert Godfrey.
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Nov 3, 2024, 11:34 AM
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Or the AFLAC duck 🤣
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Orange Blooded [2372]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:50 AM
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This loser
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National Champion [7704]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
Nov 4, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Why are you talking about yourself like that? We all know you're a closet coot, just come clean
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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how bout just wake up to reality??..........have some URGENCY about
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Nov 3, 2024, 7:50 AM
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the direction of Dabo's program (unlike the team last night)
if you can't see it at this point..............I guess you never will. It's been VISIBLE for 4-5 years now.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Hall of Famer [8397]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:03 AM
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You left out the most likely scenario. They win all their remaining games, miss the ACCCG, don’t go to the playoffs and end up at the poptart bowl. Not sure that’s really going to make anyone feel better about this season.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I don't think I'd feel great about that outcome, either.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:06 AM
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But then again, I'd have the benefit of the entire season behind me to feel that way, not one bad game.
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Hall of Famer [8397]
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Re: I don't think I'd feel great about that outcome, either.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:07 AM
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True. And we get to eat the poptart mascot.
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All-Pro [703]
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Re: I don't think I'd feel great about that outcome, either.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:59 AM
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Or you'd sound like you knew how to predict based on what you saw on the field last night.
Cade regression. Offensive ineptitude. Defense not tough. Bad coaching.
So predicting another loss or smu winning out and missing accg is quite likely.
Missing playoffs is very likely. 95%.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Alot of people, maybe even yourself, were saying same after
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Nov 3, 2024, 1:58 PM
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the Georgia game but before the Tigers reeled off of six wins in a row.
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Dynasty Maker [3313]
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Re: Alot of people, maybe even yourself, were saying same after
Nov 4, 2024, 12:31 PM
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I think most people were disappointed, but understood losing to Georgia. Hard to understand losing to Louisville. Which is WHY fans are INCREDIBLY disappointed in the way the team played. This didn't have to happen. Clemson laid a great big egg and everyone knows it.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Yes they did.
Nov 4, 2024, 12:50 PM
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And let's not panic about it.
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Athletic Dir [1121]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:26 AM
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We have beaten NOBODY this year. Only NCSU has more wins than losses. Only Citadel is a lock. At VT and Pitt? Based on last night? 30% chance to win both. The birds throttle us if we show up with last night's gem of preparation and excrement of adjustments. We are a mid 2000s Tommy Bowden team. 3-5 losses and a Shreveport or Mobile bowl game.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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When I said let's all panic, I didn't actually mean it***
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:28 AM
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Game Day Hero [4324]
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Re: When I said let's all panic, I didn't actually mean it***
Nov 3, 2024, 9:48 AM
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Lol
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All-Pro [746]
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Orange Blooded [2378]
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Hall of Famer [8225]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:09 AM
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No reality is our run was over four years ago, we now paying A coach $11 million to make his friends and family rich, and take the team to a middling bowl every year. That’s reality. Dabo stubborn refusal to use the portal is nothing more than ego and hubris. He’s being paid to win games and he’s not doing that right now. We are outmanned on the lines of scrimmage, it’s very clear
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Orange Elite [5157]
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What's clear is that's the most dismal perspective
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:12 AM
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on the greatest football coach to ever rub the rock, much less the program he's built, and the coaching careers he's launched, and the players he's helped shape into some pretty fine young men, and the enormous financial boon to the Clemson athletics department he has been and still is.
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Hall of Famer [8225]
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Re: What's clear is that's the most dismal perspective
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:19 AM
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I’m not disputing what Dabo did in the past. I’m talking about what’s happening right now. If he doesn’t want to coach anymore, then stop taking the money and step aside. As long as he’s accepting $11 million a year to coach the team, he needs to be putting a quality product on the field. Good coaches don’t get their brains beat in by unranked ACC opponents at home, at night. They just don’t.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Eh, I'd argue that his compensation plan is rooted more in
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:37 AM
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athletics revs than W/L on the field.
And I know you're not saying Swinney is not a good coach. That would be ludicrous. Last night was a bad game, bad to the core. But it was a game. Not all the games.
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: Eh, I'd argue that his compensation plan is rooted more in
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Nov 3, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Seems to me we are having more and more of those “bad games” these days.
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Ring of Honor [23663]
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Like whistling past the grave yard.
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Nov 3, 2024, 5:59 PM
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For Christ sakes, that was Louisville not Ohio State. As others are saying, he chooses not to use the portal for a single player, or openly talk about NIL to recruits all while making a 11 million a year for a non playoff program. Recruiting is sliding and we lack depth, sorry if you refuse to see it but that’s your choice. Don’t complain about others who do.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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No, I see it.
Nov 4, 2024, 12:52 PM
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I also see that it might not be as bad as many want it to seem, and I'm sorry if you refuse to see it. Don't complain about others who do.
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Standout [237]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:20 AM
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With a program that Dabs has built on “character “ and no real NIL money to make a difference, how much longer will these types of players be “all in” for the experience and not for the money. The dream seems to be slipping away
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I don't know that Clemson has no NIL money.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:47 AM
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Maybe Clemson doesn't have Texas NIL money or Ohio State NIL money, for example. But I think Clemson has a good war chest. But who can say? Until NIL is brought into the light, no one will really know who has what.
In which case, why panic about what's happening? If Clemson is to be relegated to have not status in P4 football, then let it come. I can think of no one more capable of navigating that than Dabo Swinney.
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: I don't know that Clemson has no NIL money.
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Nov 3, 2024, 9:31 AM
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We have always had more or been willing to use more than South Carolina. That is a fact. I can list the cost of buildings and coaches salaries as an example. With that being said THEY are currently out playing us. THEY are currently out recruiting us both in the portal and in incoming talent. All on what can only be less of a budget. Let’s remember the sec contract hasn’t kicked in yet. Nor can that money be used for NIL but somehow they are beating us in talent acquisition.
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Letterman [159]
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Re: I don't know that Clemson has no NIL money.
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Nov 3, 2024, 10:03 PM
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We have always had more or been willing to use more than South Carolina. That is a fact. I can list the cost of buildings and coaches salaries as an example. With that being said THEY are currently out playing us. THEY are currently out recruiting us both in the portal and in incoming talent. All on what can only be less of a budget. Let’s remember the sec contract hasn’t kicked in yet. Nor can that money be used for NIL but somehow they are beating us in talent acquisition.
Beamer can recruit. If the birds are already getting this level of recruiting with not much to sell in terms of program success under Beamer, Imagine what they’ll do if they can turn the corner on the field. And don’t kid yourself, SC has been making up ground in NIL resources (though they’re still middle of the pack in the SEC at best).
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I believe the cacks have built up a pretty good
Nov 4, 2024, 12:59 PM
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NIL/marketing engine with the help of some very savvy NFL-level marketers and agents from here in Greenville.
And I do believe they are also winning recruits that they may not have won in years' past under Beamer's leadership.
But neither of those things ensure they have the makings of a program that can compete in the SEC year-in, year-out.
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National Champion [7622]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:28 AM
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I agree that it's not time to panic but the ACC title chances dropped to almost zero, even if we win out which nobody should expect after last night. You need to make yourself comfortable with that irrelevant mid tier bowl because that's where we are most likely headed.
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National Champion [7831]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:51 AM
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Nobody is suggesting we adopt the FSU model. Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, every elite program uses the portal without a full flip of their roster.
We need to start using it like they do.
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Adapt or Die !!
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Solid Orange [1395]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:59 AM
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Everything is still technically on the table. However, I can’t imagine a path to beating even Virginia Tech next week. They have some speed running the ball and we will more than likely get gashed on the ground again. Dabo will have to let the offense actually try to make big plays for there to be a difference
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I agree. Blacksburg is no place to show up
Nov 4, 2024, 1:07 PM
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flat.
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Athletic Dir [1107]
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Maybe to soon for the sunshine pumping?
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Nov 3, 2024, 9:10 AM
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I appreciate what you’re doing. It makes you a pawsitive fan for sure. But I think this is a day or two early.
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Orange Blooded [2367]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Dabo has earned the right to try and correct things for as long as he wishes to try. That does not mean that I have a lot of confidence that he will get the job done. I think that we have the talent to compete, but I have no answers for the problem. I just know that we used to play our best in big games. Now, we are doing good just to find the field.
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 9:23 AM
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So you’re just a complacent fan, ok cool, I guess.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I'm complacent like Churchill was complacent.
Nov 3, 2024, 2:03 PM
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But what I won't be is hopping onto the TNets to scream the loudest every time Clemson football has a bad game. If they go on a 4-game loser to end the season, I'll probably be on here saying Swinney has a bunch of work to do this winter.
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CU Medallion [18141]
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its not one game though
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Nov 3, 2024, 9:36 AM
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its been a steady decline the past 4 years. what we witnessed last night is a garbage offense not being bailed out by an elite defense. now the defense isnt even elite.
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Orange Blooded [2421]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
Nov 3, 2024, 9:44 AM
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So, if last nights game was embarrassing enough for you. Let Clemson make the playoffs. That should do it.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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The game was very embarrassing.
Nov 4, 2024, 10:59 AM
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I didn't say we shouldn't all feel some embarrassment, although as someone who wasn't suited up in a Clemson uniform, I think I'd say I felt embarrassed for them, not with them.
What I did imply was that we should not all panic.
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
Nov 3, 2024, 11:20 AM
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A1A
I hate to say it but I am afraid that you are being quite prophetic here:
If they skid into the finish, lose to the cacks, miss the ACCCG and the playoffs, I'd be willing to admit that they built me up, buttercup, just to let me down in the end.
The Foundations say hello.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I thought you didn't believe in prophecy***
Nov 3, 2024, 2:04 PM
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Paw Warrior [4755]
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Re: I thought you didn't believe in prophecy***
Nov 3, 2024, 4:29 PM
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I don't believe in divine prophecy. You, otoh, might be prophetic - even a blind squirrel . . .
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I've been kind to you. And yet you insult me.
Nov 4, 2024, 10:48 AM
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I see how this works.
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Valley Legend [12585]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 11:29 AM
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I was awake too, but not because we lost, but because how we played and how we were coached. I'm all in with Dabo, and think it is ridiculous to take about replacing him, but also I am not afraid to speak up when something is wrong. The performance last night was just inexcusable and to call it a toe stub is pretty darn blind. I guarantee you Dabo won't look at it like a toe stub and probably doesn't expect us to either.
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All-Pro [746]
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Feelin' seen
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Nov 3, 2024, 11:37 AM
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In all sincerity, it's nice to know I'm not alone.
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Top TigerNet [29777]
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I knew the Sunday morning sunshine post was coming
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Nov 3, 2024, 11:44 AM
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The team will need to respond in Blacksburg to get any sunshine back from me
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I wasn't feeling sunny. Just wasn't panicking about not feeling sunny.
Nov 3, 2024, 2:05 PM
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Varsity [104]
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False Dilemma, much?
Nov 3, 2024, 11:52 AM
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No one is advocating the "Norvell model".
However, if we have a bunch of guys hit the portal like FSU did last year, we could get forced into doing just that, as Norvell was.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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Could be.
Nov 3, 2024, 2:05 PM
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Letterman [161]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Sadly its gonna be folks sitting things out going forward. No panic, just not buying tix to games to see crap efforts and tigers losing bowls to mid teams. Money talks way more than Tyler from Spartanburg.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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That is for sure.
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Nov 3, 2024, 2:07 PM
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If they lose to the hokies or the panthers, the Citadel game will feature plenty of open seating.
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Varsity [104]
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No panic. Just recognizing the facts.
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Nov 3, 2024, 2:09 PM
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We had our butts handed to us by an unranked team, at home, with two weeks to prepare.
The time to panic will be from the Dabo cultists after the Pitt game if there's a repeat.
Ditto for the Hokies and SC.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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They lost a game last night.
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Nov 3, 2024, 2:12 PM
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They'd won six games in a row before then.
If those numbers were reversed, yes, I could understand the temptation to get the drizzles.
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Hall of Famer [9002]
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Those 6 wins were app state and 5 acc teams
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Nov 3, 2024, 6:31 PM
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Those 5 acc teams have a combined 15 wins between them. Average record of 3-5.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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And they'd have a combined 20 wins between them had we not
Nov 4, 2024, 11:01 AM
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played them.
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Varsity [104]
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Clemson is 0-2 against teams with a pulse.
Nov 4, 2024, 12:56 PM
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3 other teams has beaten Louisville, yet we couldn't be competitive with them.
We are lucky we've played 6 teams that didn't have a pulse.
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Legend [6925]
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Re: Clemson is 0-2 against teams with a pulse.
Nov 4, 2024, 1:02 PM
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I keep seeing this "teams with a pulse". Can anyone help define what that means other than a catchy phrase to group the 2 teams we've lost to???
Lets look at the opponents like this, which is their record outside of playing us since you logically shouldn't "penalize" us for beating teams at the same "rewarding" teams when they beat us
UGA = 6-1
App state = 4-3
NCST = 5-3
Stanford = 2-6
FSU = 1-7
Wake = 4-3
UVA = 4-3
Louisville = 5-3
Objectively that tells me we are 2-0 against teams with a losing record and 4-2 against teams with a winning record
So how does one put some sort of definition around what "pulse" means? Even if we remove the extremes of UGA and App State what do you use to differentiate L'ville, Wake and UVA?
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Varsity [104]
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Your stats pretty much
Nov 11, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Self defined "with a pulse".
All mediocre except UGA.
That includes Louisville.
Since then, we beat VA Tech, 4-3 at the time.
We need to win out to have any chance at the playoffs.
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Associate AD [1087]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 5:47 PM
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Totally agree. I do feel pretty hurt today after this one - feels a lot like the Duke L.
The duke L was an indication of the season. I hope this is just a blip and not a turn for the Tigers.
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Varsity [104]
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False premise, much.
Nov 3, 2024, 6:46 PM
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There's no panic. It's simply recognizing reality and avoiding sunshine pumping.
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Oculus Spirit [39224]
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The message board fan base is embarrassing.***
Nov 3, 2024, 8:20 PM
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Game Day Hero [4192]
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Re: Yes, let's all panic. That's probably the best approach.
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Nov 3, 2024, 8:31 PM
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Neither Miami nor SMU are going to lose 2 ACC games....ain't happening so the ACC/playoffs are off the table.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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If Clemson wins its remaining two ACC games,
Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 AM
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and Miami and SMU lose one of theirs, what happens in the three-way tie that is created, given there is no head-to-head result to refer to?
Or even a two-way tie if one of them loses just one game? How does that get decided?
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Rival Killer [2867]
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So you still deny
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Nov 3, 2024, 10:20 PM
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The program is in full decline and no army of Dabo apologists can stop it? Please just keep telling us how beating up App State showed we are headed to the playoffs.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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I don't remember ever equating the App result
Nov 4, 2024, 10:50 AM
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with a playoff berth.
Although I will say that Francis Marion's take on the importance of the App State win must not be overlooked.
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