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Legend [6832]
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Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:35 PM
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or our talent level on offense is very low. It could be a combo of both.
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Associate AD [1019]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:40 PM
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I think it’s more the latter. He’s done well everywhere he’s been. My guess is that he’s aiming to turn Clemson’s offense around over the next couple of seasons and parlay that accomplishment into a head coaching gig.
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All-TigerNet [6098]
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He's shown he can be creative and run a solid offense
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:41 PM
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IDK if it's the lack of talent/injuries, the (very) offensive line or Dabo shutting him down.
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Orange Elite [5238]
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Re: He's shown he can be creative and run a solid offense
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:59 PM
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I say it's the talent level and execution at every skill position, QB included.
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Orange Blooded [2180]
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Game Changer [1664]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:57 PM
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If you heard Dabo's interview after the game he is still controlling the play calling..
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Ring of Honor [22118]
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And thank God Dabo did!!!
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:10 PM
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He wanted to throw it more!!!? Geez.
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110%er [3728]
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That game would have gone sideways if
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:16 PM
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we had gifted the coots an int in our territory. Play it safe, pounding them down was the right call.
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110%er [4064]
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Exactly - I think CDS just wanted to get out of Th Roach with a W
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:23 PM
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Play as conservative as he could to just not create opportunities for turnovers and give the Chickens that dreaded momentum.
I’m sure that CDS was hitting the brakes on the entire offense, probably frustrating Riley and Cade and the other offensive players.
However, after the week of the FLU leading up to the game, and the injury-ridden WR corps, he had to throttle the offensive playbook.
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Rival Killer [2728]
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Legend [7047]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:59 PM
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Not saying he is the Venebles of the Offense yet but…
Defensive rankings
2011: 81st
2012 (BVs 1st yr): 46th
2013: 23rd
2014: 3rd
Even BV took a few year to fix his side of the ball with very few legit pro prospects. Give the man some time to implement his system with his players. It’s not always plug n play
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Game Day Hero [4391]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:03 PM
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It's talent, how many dropped balls were there last night? We should've beaten them by 4 TDs.
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Legend [6832]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 26, 2023, 9:12 PM
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Seemed the defense SC ran confused us. Did not seem to know how to attack. We certainly don’t have an ETN Trevor or his receivers out there. So it makes me think the talent level rather than being above average is just average.
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Rock Defender [58]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 26, 2023, 9:29 PM
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They kept switching gaps just before snap and after blocking calls were made. Didn’t seem like we were adjusting to that on passing plays
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Paw Warrior [4652]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:09 PM
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Personally I trust Riley and hope he stays for several more years!
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Legend [6832]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 26, 2023, 9:13 PM
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I hope you are right as I feel we can improve our takent
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Orange Blooded [2180]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:17 PM
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He took a TCU team with much less talent to the college football playoff. Something is not right about the way this offense performed this year.
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Varsity [104]
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Give him time.
Nov 26, 2023, 9:13 PM
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Maybe two or three season's worth.
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All-In [10873]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:14 PM
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It is not coaching we are just lacking on playmakers and have been for the last 3 years.
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Game Day Hero [4509]
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We still dont have the snap of the true elites.
Nov 26, 2023, 9:15 PM
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We got good athletes but not great. Wiggins, Mafah being the exception. Still, it’s how you play as a TEAM that is key. Plenty examples of teams that have been loaded with stars but fell flat. Still, I will take a team loaded with good enough that plays well as a team. Clemson will be fine next year. In the playoffs for sure
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Game Changer [1809]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:18 PM
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Talent level and deficient coaching at receiver and oline positions.
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Rock Defender [58]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 26, 2023, 9:27 PM
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One issue I see is a lot Dabo plays (that didn’t work last year) and aren’t working this year. I’ll assume he is forcing this guy to use with the plats offense he brought from tcu. because I followed TCU last year and this is not the offense he was running at tcu. I also wish we ran the ball more often. Oline might have issues on pass blocking, but they have done a good job with run blocking throughout the season.
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Game Changer [1976]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 26, 2023, 9:34 PM
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Riley believes that quite a few 1.5ers are duds. I agree!!
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Varsity [114]
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Yeah, give the dud another 5 seasons?***
Nov 26, 2023, 9:44 PM
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Tiger Titan [50771]
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Recruiting rankings say that we have elite talent on offense.
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:49 PM
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So either:
A. All of the recruiting services as well as our coaches were very wrong about many of our players.
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B. These players have not developed very well.
Either way, it calls our coaching into question.
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All-Pro [725]
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Re: Recruiting rankings say that we have elite talent on offense.
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:00 PM
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100%
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CU Guru [1574]
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Orange Blooded [2190]
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Re: Recruiting rankings say that we have elite talent on offense.
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:33 PM
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Curious on the wr rankings as “elite” but I know many were 4*. That said, they’ve all been hurt fairly regularly (coaching?). I do think we haven’t recruited really high end speed and that is a missing piece.
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Tiger Spirit [9788]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:07 AM
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Drops and non-combative receivers. The receiver corps as a whole doesn't catch or battle well.
The QB hasn't done a great job of getting them the ball. I did see for the first time, an effort at ball placement by the QB - back shoulder, etc. But they still don't catch well.
They can't catch, or throw, you can't run anything but a run based offense.
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Hall of Famer [8129]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 27, 2023, 8:17 AM
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Definitely the latter. Too many injuries in the OL and WRs.
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All-TigerNet [6026]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
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Nov 27, 2023, 9:00 AM
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I'm just throwing it out there.
Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with all the offensive assistants on his staff with zero prior D1 coaching experience?
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Orange Blooded [2265]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 27, 2023, 9:08 AM
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there is no "maybe". There is no other top 10 program's coaching staff that even REMOTELY looks as homer-ish and inexperienced as ours. And like it or not, that is 100% on Dabo.
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Clemson Icon [24074]
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Yep, that's part of what makes Clemson Clemson.
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Nov 27, 2023, 9:10 AM
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You little whiney Beta Males, that don't matter, won't change that.
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Team Captain [489]
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I'd like to add another level of complexity to this question...
Nov 27, 2023, 9:06 AM
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Could be that the coaching of the skill positions has dropped off considerably.
-fumbles by both backs is a problem
-catching the ball is a problem
-pass pro from the Rbs is a problem
-blocking on the outside from the WRs is a problem
-route running precision is a problem
All these things were pretty tight back when Tony and Jeff were coaching the RBs and WRs
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Orange Phenom [14598]
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Gotta address the talent first
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Nov 27, 2023, 9:08 AM
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Its extremely difficult to evaluate Riley until we get him some legit pieces to work with.
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Orange Blooded [2273]
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Re: Im on outside looking in but either Riley is a dud
Nov 27, 2023, 10:23 AM
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Recruiting on the Oline has been poor and this staff has never coached blocking well. We don't block well. Therefore our offense doesn't work.
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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I dont think its fair to judge a completely new OC after one year
Nov 27, 2023, 11:42 AM
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With a first year QB
Losing our best OL injury (Parks)
And inheriting a WR room full of a bunch of busts and decimated by injury
He and Dabo should know pretty well what they need to go get in the portal this off-season.
Now if we have a repeat performance next season, this will be a legitimate question
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