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FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach
Apr 2, 2014, 8:42 AM
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Oculus Spirit [82021]
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That's laughable. Dabo is #3 AT WORST.***
Apr 2, 2014, 8:46 AM
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Really??
Apr 2, 2014, 9:26 AM
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I actually thought that was a little high myself
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Exactly ... especially since Hyatt switched yesterday.
Apr 2, 2014, 11:09 AM
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That was my train of thought
Apr 2, 2014, 11:51 AM
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you don't deserve to be listed as a top tier coach in your conference if you keep loosing these highly touted recruits to Allbarn and Ole mi$$
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Well, I said Dabo was #3 at worst, so nobody at #3 would've
Apr 2, 2014, 10:20 AM
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done more than Dabo.
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I think that's about right where he belongs or too high
Apr 2, 2014, 11:28 AM
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especially when you consider dabo coaches NOTHING! He's a talking head, the face of the program. He gives exciting interviews while Chad/Brent do the coaching.
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Can't fix stupid. Dabo rocks!!***
Apr 2, 2014, 1:47 PM
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You idiot, the hc manages the program. He hired the coaches,
Apr 2, 2014, 6:25 PM
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recruited the players, holds it together. To give him no credit for being an excellent decision maker and the glue is short sighted and moronic. Clearly you work as a fast food employee or department store clerk.
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Must have come out on April 1 - lol***
Apr 2, 2014, 5:27 PM
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Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach
Apr 2, 2014, 8:47 AM
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Disagree...
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Is this a joke?
Apr 2, 2014, 8:48 AM
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#3 or even #4 I could understand but you're telling me that
Apr 2, 2014, 8:49 AM
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Frank Beamer and Al Golden have been better better coaches than Dabo? LOL
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maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that
Apr 2, 2014, 9:27 AM
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those guys actually coach.
Dabo hires people to coach.
Been trying to tell yall for years. He is not a very good coach. Article even says -"he is best in the CEO role".
It is accurate and factual. I wouldn't have him as high as 6 if looking at the ability to coach the game.
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This is just stupid Gamecoot mantra and has no relation to
Apr 2, 2014, 9:38 AM
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reality
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Re: This is just stupid Gamecoot mantra and has no relation to
Apr 2, 2014, 9:40 AM
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you are right. the ability to physically coach, not just be called coach, should not be factored into a "best coach poll". LMAO.
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How do you know? What kind of measure do you employ?
Apr 2, 2014, 9:41 AM
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Explain how coaching can be measured? Wins and loses seems pretty good to me.
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Re: How do you know? What kind of measure do you employ?
Apr 2, 2014, 9:45 AM
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the ability to go on the field and coach/teach the game. the article itself even acknowledges Dabo is best at "CEO role" which tells me they were focused more on the actual teaching side of the job.
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Tell 'em capon
Apr 2, 2014, 9:46 AM
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you are not coot worthy
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Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that
Apr 2, 2014, 9:52 AM
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OK then if that's the way you want to look at it. That would make Dabo #1 at getting coaches that can do their jobs without him having to interfere and teach them how to fing coach.
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Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that
Apr 2, 2014, 4:09 PM
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i would agree that Dabo is the #1 CEO coach in the ACC and maybe the country. He is good at what he does. He recognizes his own weaknesses and gets out of the coordinators' ways. People act like I am completely bashing him because I say he isn't a very good coach. He is good at what he does. But coaching (from an x's and o's standpoint) isn't his strong suit.
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Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that
Apr 2, 2014, 10:16 AM
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But they are making those assumptions from Dabo's first time ever being the HC of anything. Dabo has grown with our program also. Dabo has grown with every win and every loss. For anyone to not think that, just look at how smart he was at putting the pieces together that turned Clemson into a winning program. To think that Dabo can't coach is ludicrous.
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Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers
Apr 2, 2014, 4:07 PM
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and he was very average at that. its not like his WR set the world on fire. they caught a plethora of WR screens to inflate numbers but when they had to make a catch to win the game, they usually left us wondering ### happened.
And, the fundamentals (ie hand placement, route running, high point, and body leverage) were all lacking under DS.
Remember that game AT GT where HIS WR dropped 17 balls and we lost 13-9 or something like that?
There is a reason that Bama and CU both passed on DS as an OC several times when they had openings.
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Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers
Apr 2, 2014, 4:26 PM
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Making #### up again. You really are clueless.
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Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers
Apr 2, 2014, 6:59 PM
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what part of that is made up? i can go back in history and back up every bit of that post. can you rebut or just gonna throw out non sense?
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If Dabo was such an awful WR coach, and can't "coach"
Apr 3, 2014, 10:32 AM
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in general, than why has Clemson become WR U? Why do we have the number 1 WR in the NFL draft this year, a top 5 WR in the draft last year, and the best TE in the country the year before? When Dabo was the WR coach we beat #6 Tennessee in the Peach Bowl and laid down the 63-17 on the coots to name a few examples.
You keep posting circular arguments, and every single game statistic says you are wrong. Dabo isn't as much of a specialist coach as someone like David Shaw, but he sure knows how to develop players and win games. He knows how to get in our players heads and get them in the zone for games. A better example of a CEO coach would be Gene Chizik. Great spokesperson, great motivational speaker kind of guy, but look what happened when he lost his superstar personnel, Auburn sucked. Chizik couldn't coach a game to save his life, the gameplay was the burden of the players and the assistants. They had the talent to compete at the elite level, but Chizik couldn't get them past 8-4 and 3-9 seasons once his superstars were gone.
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Re: If Dabo was such an awful WR coach, and can't "coach"
Apr 3, 2014, 5:33 PM
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Dabo can recruit and motivate - no one has ever questioned that. And he is a good CEO coach, I am not sure why that offends people? It takes all types.
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You idiot, the hc hires coaches, manages the program,
Apr 2, 2014, 6:27 PM
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recruited the players, holds it together. To give him no credit for being an excellent decision maker and the glue is short sighted and moronic. Clearly you work as a fast food employee or department store clerk.
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Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that
Apr 5, 2014, 11:22 PM
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Who really cares if he coaches or hires coaches? I could not care less if he did not even go to the games, so long as his teams are winning. The best managers let their employees do what their employees do best. In this era, Its the head coaches job to scream at the zebras.
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Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?
Apr 2, 2014, 8:49 AM
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Miami out recruits us consistently and lost to DUKE at home last year and was a play away from losing to freaking Wake Forrest?! Petrino has yet to even coach one game at UL so him being above Dabo is laughable as well
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Petrino belongs head of Dabo IMO. Beamer doesn't any
Apr 2, 2014, 9:36 AM
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longer though. He's a shell of himself now, and that program appears to be as well.
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Re: Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?
Apr 2, 2014, 10:10 AM
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Plus Miami is in one of the biggest hot beds of great talent that will stay in Fla. if they see they have a chance to play behind the talent that is already there. If Dabo was the HC at most any of those Fla. schools, he would without any doubt be winning championships. I bet anybody that Dabo could take his staff to any of those 3 or 4 Fla schools and win big time.
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Re: Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?
Apr 2, 2014, 2:50 PM
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You do realize that Petrino had guided both Louisville and Arkansas from mediocrity to Top 10 right?
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I'd put Dabo at #5. What has Al Golden done to deserve #5?***
Apr 2, 2014, 8:50 AM
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Re: I'd put Dabo at #5. What has Al Golden done to deserve #5?***
Apr 2, 2014, 10:30 PM
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Pretty high ranking for a coot. Slurrier is about # 9 in sec. No bcs no championships no significance
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If that does not fire you up to win by double digits
Apr 2, 2014, 8:51 AM
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this year I don't know what will.
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garbage
Apr 2, 2014, 8:52 AM
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Al golden....funny
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Re: garbage
Apr 2, 2014, 9:28 AM
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Dabo wouldn't last 5 minutes in a meeting room with Golden.
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You would not last 5 minutes in a room with Dabo talking
Apr 2, 2014, 9:37 AM
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football so . . .?
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Re: You would not last 5 minutes in a room with Dabo talking
Apr 2, 2014, 9:38 AM
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actually, the last time i was in a FB meeting room with Dabo, he walked out. So there ya go.
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Right . . .***
Apr 2, 2014, 9:39 AM
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truth***
Apr 2, 2014, 9:40 AM
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What truth?***
Apr 2, 2014, 9:41 AM
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LOL, I was gonna post this.***
Apr 2, 2014, 11:01 AM
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Re: I'm guessing
Apr 2, 2014, 11:47 AM
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and......crickets.
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Re: I'm guessing
Apr 2, 2014, 4:12 PM
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nope. never done any video. wouldn't know how.
but i did sit in a meeting room with him and the staff on several occasions.
dabo always found a reason to leave. even as a WR coach/asst he brought nothing to the table.
meeting simply carried on.
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Re: garbage
Apr 2, 2014, 10:16 AM
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EXILED, how many time have you been banned from this site. hiding your cootdum is not one of your better qualities
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none.
Apr 2, 2014, 4:13 PM
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nor will i be.
lifelong tiger and crump knows it.
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This is the same publication that thinks
Apr 2, 2014, 8:52 AM
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SCAR is a better job than Miami
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So if you "win" the ACC championship game in 2009, BUT
Apr 2, 2014, 8:53 AM
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were forced to vacate that win because you cheated are you still ACC champs for 2009? I like how all sports reporters conveniently "forget" to add facts like this to the article. I guess if you're not cheatin you're not tryin..
On July 18, 2011, Georgia Tech was forced to vacate the win due to the result of an NCAA investigation. The NCAA announced the game would be considered to have no winner.[85]
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Al golden??? Beamer is past his prime and
Apr 2, 2014, 8:57 AM
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does Petrino still have his touch? Based on what have you done lately Dabo shud be a clear #3...
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from the article...
Apr 2, 2014, 8:58 AM
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"Winning 10 games at Alabama is different than winning 10 games at Kentucky."
Then why isn't Cutcliffe #1?
This coupled with Dabo outside the Top 5 makes this a bogus article.
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Beamer and Johnson the two most overrated coaches in the
Apr 2, 2014, 9:01 AM
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ACC.
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Well, if the basketball team was #14, sure ... why not?
Apr 2, 2014, 9:07 AM
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Ahhh, where to begin?
* Dabo leads the No. 7 or 8 (depending on you poll) team in the nation, but is only the 6th best coach in a not-so-stellar ACC?
* Well behind David Cutcliffe (a solid coach, to be sure) who has never beaten Clemson?
* Behind Frank Beamer, who hasn't beaten Clemson in years? Who's team is barely above .500 over the past 3 years? I like the note that "Prior to Morris, Swinney was only 19-15" ... and that's STILL better than Beamer's been the past 3 years.
* Behind Al Golden, who has yet to finish in the Top 25 since coming to Miami?
* The argument that Dabo wins only because of his assistants sort of loses its luster when you have Jimbo at No. 1 ... yet the Noles only began winning after he replaced his coordinators. The fact that one of the prime reasons for Jimbo being named top coach is "Fisher has three seasons of at least 10 wins." Yet Clemson has done the same ... the ONLY other ACC team that can make that claim ... and not only is it only good enough for 6th place, but it's not even mentioned in the critique of Dabo.
The way I read this is, "Clemson has enjoyed some of its greatest success as a program over the past few years, but putting the right people in the right places isn't really part of coaching....unless you're at Florida State. Then it's an integral part of being a coach. Oh, and even if Clemson whips you on the field, even if you have nothing to show since the re-emergence of Clemson football, you're still a better coach because of something you did 10 years ago."
Does that about cover it?
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Nailed it Rev...
Apr 2, 2014, 9:10 AM
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...I can somewhat stomach Cutcliffe & Beamer ahead of him, it's a conversation at a minimum (personally put Dabo ahead of both).
Behind the other two guys is just laughable.
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Personally, I think Cutcliffe is one of the top coaches
Apr 2, 2014, 9:14 AM
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...and if the criteria was who's the best X's and O's guy, he might be my top choice.
But if the criteria in place allows Jimbo to be No. 1, (great players, tradition, solid assistants, Top 10 finishes) then the same criteria should put Dabo and Clemson in the Top 3 at worst.
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The other Beamer question
Apr 2, 2014, 10:15 AM
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If Beamer is such a great coach, then what the heck happened to Beamer Ball? Did he take a lunch pail to the head and forget everything he knew?
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The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team
Apr 2, 2014, 9:11 AM
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NEXT year?"
If it's "Has done the best coaching" then Beamer is in the mix, but if it's "Who are you picking to coach your team?" then Beamer is doubtful...he doesn't seem to be as dialed in with his coaching the last couple of years. It's not just the wins and losses...his teams have lost that signature sharpness on Special Teams (his specific area).
So, if you have to pick a coach NOW, you have to go with Fisher, Cutcliffe or Swinney. These are the three that have their programs running on all cylinders and appear to be doing it "the right way."
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Re: The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team
Apr 2, 2014, 9:29 AM
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the answer would be Cutcliffe or Fisher. They wouldn't have to hire someone to coach for them.
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Yes they would.
Apr 2, 2014, 9:33 AM
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No one can successfully coach an entire football team by himself. Not even at the pee-wee leagues.
So, since that's the case, identifying, hiring and retaining talented assistants is a major (perhaps the single most important) aspect of success as a head coach.
I don't really care who does the xs and os for the team - whether that's Swinney, Morris/venables or a graduate assistant. All I care about is wins and losses.
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Re: Yes they would.
Apr 2, 2014, 9:36 AM
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no - they can't coach an entire team by themselves. But they can coordinate an entire, successful offense by themselves. 6-7 anyone?
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So, you're saying that successful coaches should never have
Apr 2, 2014, 9:41 AM
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tough seasons? No one argues that 2010 was a success. But it certainly was a transitional moment - what people in math might call an inflection point.
I don't think Swinney is the best coach in the ACC. But I think he's pretty darn good, and I feel good about the direction of the program with him at the helm at this moment in time.
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Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....
Apr 2, 2014, 9:43 AM
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...that his success as a coach comes from finding the best assistants and paying them well, his own words sort of fly in the face of your weak attempt to denigrate Dabo.
The difference is that Fisher had a few seasons as a coordinator before his ascension. Dabo had to learn some hard lessons on the fly.
The lessons have been learned.
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Re: Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....
Apr 2, 2014, 9:48 AM
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what experience does Dabo have to lean on when it comes to giving advice to Brent and Chad? Does he even give advice to Brent and Chad?
It really is simple for me - on game day, when the brain trust get together on both sidelines - we are outnumbered 3 to 2.
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Tell 'em capon
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Re: Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....
Apr 2, 2014, 11:22 AM
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Rev I'm there with you on that. Dabo was lost at first, but it didn't take him but a minute to gather his wits and put together a staff that could carry him until he did learn to be a HC. And I would bet that even behind Dabo's back, that Morris or BV wouldn't ever say that Dabo can't coach. Dabo could coach before he became the HC. He didn't become the HC until 2008, he had been coaching at Clemson sense 2002. And he had coached at Alabama from 1993 to 2000. So he has been coaching 14 years plus his playing years. Dabo is a very smart man, he was twice named an Academic All-SEC and SEC Scholar Athlete Honor Roll. So to think he hasn't leaned to be a Head Coach in 6 years as smart as he is. That just isn't giving Dabo credit where credit is due, and scoffing at what he has accomplished at Clemson. And its also insinuating that he's a dumb A$S....
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Rev, Was it not Moses that invented the division of labor?
Apr 3, 2014, 5:40 PM
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He'd be denigrating Moses too. Bless his heart.
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Re: The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team
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I don't wish you anything really bad. But the best thing for people who have to be around you daily, would be if you were Exiled from this earth. Its just not right for others to have contact with you. X
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Yeah. So being a coach at Bama and then at Clemson meant
Apr 2, 2014, 11:38 AM
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nothing? Laughing at the stupidity of some folks. Really. Laughing.
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Yea, so bad at alabama he was pushed out and into insurance
Apr 2, 2014, 11:51 AM
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sales. A coach so bad that without the most expensive staff in college football, he wouldnt be a hill of beans.
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Hey Coot fan, it must frustrate you that Dabo is building an
Apr 2, 2014, 11:55 AM
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elite program at Clemson. After 20+ years the real program in SC is coming back and the best is yet to come. It probably scares you.
GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm certainly not a coot fan, but USuC fans certainly have
Apr 2, 2014, 11:59 AM
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nothing to be jealous of. They've destroyed us for 5 yrs in a row, probably going to be 6 this year. They're more nationally relevant than Clemson is right now. They're in the best power conference making the most money. Clemson is in the weakest BCS conference and still cannot win it.
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Re: I'm certainly not a coot fan, but USuC fans certainly have
Apr 2, 2014, 12:00 PM
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And you have no reason to assume you would win.
Apr 2, 2014, 4:22 PM
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Dabo creates the culture Dabo hires the assistants Dabo is the main driver of the recruiting
Neither Morris nor Venables have been tasked with doing any of that at the collegiate level. Maybe they'll be great at it, maybe they won't. Dabo has proven he is great at it.
If you were an actual Clemson fan, you would just say thank you and enjoy three 10-win seasons in a row, an ACC championship, two division championships and a BCS victory. But you're not.
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laughable. 8th at best
Apr 2, 2014, 9:25 AM
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but that is ok. he is winning with high paid assts. who cares? he is winning.
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Obviously you care, coot.
Apr 2, 2014, 9:34 AM
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You have bashed Dabo four times in this thread alone.
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Re: Obviously you care, coot.
Apr 2, 2014, 9:37 AM
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not bashing. telling the truth. he is only as good as those around him.
Fisher and Cutcliffe have a pedigree to lean on.
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Every head coach is only as good as those around them.
Apr 2, 2014, 9:38 AM
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Duh.
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Re: Every head coach is only as good as those around them.
Apr 2, 2014, 9:42 AM
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to some extent. but the good ones make those better around them. they offer some insight. something they have learned as a coordinator over the years. Dabo watches and listens.
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Examples***
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And has probably never set foot in DV
Apr 2, 2014, 10:29 AM
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and if he has we was probably wearing coot red.
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Dabo fisher and cutcliffe top 3 any order. This list is JUNK***
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Mmmm Hmmmm
Apr 2, 2014, 9:43 AM
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I guess the people "around" Fisher and Cutcliffe are nothing more than mouth-breathing mongrels that are only useful as paperweights. Fisher and Cutcliffe do ALL the head coaching, co-ordinating, assistant coaching, recruiting, and anything else involved in running the football program.
You just made the worst argument in the history of the internet.
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Re: Mmmm Hmmmm
Apr 2, 2014, 9:51 AM
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no, not at all. he has good assts, but he is able to tell them what he wants done. he could go coach any of their specific positions at practice and do it well. so could cutcliffe (whom i think is THE best coach in the ACC).
Dabo had a vision. He had no idea how to complete that vision. He hired Chad. Chad is the one who tells the other offensive assts what to do/teach. He is effectively the head coach of offense. Same with Brent on Defense.
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How can Morris run his offense if Dabo isn't bringing in
Apr 2, 2014, 10:01 AM
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These 4 star recruits. Morris would still be a good OC, but he needs Dabo's recruiting, just as much as Dabo needs his coordinating
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Isn't what makes a good head coach the coordinators you...
Apr 2, 2014, 9:45 AM
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surround yourself with? Steve Spurrier wasn't leading those top 25 defenses the last 3 years.
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Hey Express 13 (a.k.a: Old 0-21) he has won more than your
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coach won his first 6 years at USuC.
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Re: laughable. 8th at best
Apr 2, 2014, 9:38 AM
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So, you're saying that results on the field don't really matter? If that's the case, I'd say that Jimbo Fisher is probably the 9th best coach in the ACC. He just happens to be really good at recruiting incredible talent which covers up for his lack of coaching ability
Case in point, Auburn - a team that has one of the best x-and-o coaches in the business at the helm - put FSU on the limit in the BCSCG until FSU was bailed out by a freak athletic play in the form of a kickoff return.
If your logic applies to Dabo in that way, it should also apply to Jimbo Fisher - to say nothing of the others on this list...
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Re: laughable. 8th at best
Apr 2, 2014, 9:44 AM
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you do realize that Jimbo won a NC as an OC right? I mean, the guy has proven that he can coach. And once Papa Bowden got out of his way at FSU, they have taken off. And won't be caught for some time.
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So, the fact that Jimbo Fisher was on staff with Nick Saban
Apr 2, 2014, 9:48 AM
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completely shuts down your argument about how a head coach shouldn't have to rely on good coordinators to win.
You do realize that Nick Saban surrounds himself with the best coordinators and assistants he can find, right? The same thing that Jimbo Fisher does. The same thing that Dabo Swinney does. The same thing that pretty much every coach in the business does.
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56 % coot - how are you rated on your boards?
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Re: Just can't stay "exiled" can you 44% (not even half-in)
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I don't think ihatetimmatch.com has a forum on it.
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This is a joke. Pure, sorry joke. When Dabo's teams continue
Apr 2, 2014, 9:35 AM
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win and stay in the elite status range how long will it take for people to wake up and see what Dabo is--a coach who wins at the highest level.
GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: This is a joke. Pure, sorry joke. When Dabo's teams continue
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Then why cant he beat his division rival--florida state and his in-state rival, the chickens. That winning record of his is meaningless. Who gives a crap about beating the citadels and wake forests of the world. Ask west virginia how good a coach he is. ask florida state, ask spurrier.
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When you leave out UGA, LSU, Auburn, Ohio State it makes
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Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach
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With all the accolades they pour over Dabo's success at Clemson. They still flat out refuse to give him credit for what Dabo himself has accomplished at Clemson as the Head Coach. He has done exactly what a HC is suppose to do as in hiring and putting together a staff that he can win with. He has won the acc championship Once, the Atlantic side of the conference Twice, and 2nd place once. He has beat LSU in the Chic-Fil-A bowl, he beat UGA in the same year he beat OSU in the BCS Orange bowl, with two back to back 11 season wins. In the last 3 years he is, 2011 10-4 with 6-2 in conference, 2012 11-2 with 7-1 conference, 2013 11-2 with 7-1 in conference. Other than a NC, Dabo's record is better than Fishers, and they rate Dabo as the 6 best ACC coach. The worst thing about this total Bull Chit is that the people ( and this BS was published for the people ) believe this BS and only know the obscured BS that those people publish about people like Dabo. That is most of the reason that OUR coach catches so much chit. There are some awful vicious S O B's in the media when they want to paint a bleak picture of someone. And that goes for other coaches also. One thing is absolute though, Dabo could leave coaching today or 40 years from now. And I don't think that anyone could say that Dabo ever tried to put a dark side on anyone in coaching or any where else. I know who we have leading our FB team, and personally, I wouldn't trade him for all those #1s in college FB. I love our Head Coach, and he is #1 to me!!!
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WHY do you think no one has tried tohire him away
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Re: Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***
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I actually expect him to be competitive within his division and with his in-state rival. Both those teams have outcoached him convincingly and physically dominated us to the point of embarrasment. I don't have to listen to LSU people. Its nice to beat GA and LSU, but I don't live in those states and Clemson is not in that conference. I would appreciate a win over the chickens sometime in the next 8-10 years. But, I don't think Swinney is capable of it. I also don't think he is capable of beating florida state anytime in the next few years, So, I rate him very low on a performance scale---would like him to depart so we can get a coach that is capable of fielding a team that can actually stay on the same field with sc and fla state and not be a complete embarrasment on national TV.
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We did beat FSU in 2011 in the Valley, Last year was a
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Re: We did beat FSU in 2011 in the Valley, Last year was a
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FSU being severely handicapped in that game led to many in the Tiger fan base having an undeserved sense of superiority.
2012 was more indicative of what 2011 should have been. And if it were so, expectation would have been tempered in Death Valley in 2013.
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Re: Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***
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I actually expect him to be competitive within his division and with his in-state rival. Both those teams have outcoached him convincingly and physically dominated us to the point of embarrasment. I don't have to listen to LSU people. Its nice to beat GA and LSU, but I don't live in those states and Clemson is not in that conference. I would appreciate a win over the chickens sometime in the next 8-10 years. But, I don't think Swinney is capable of it. I also don't think he is capable of beating florida state anytime in the next few years, So, I rate him very low on a performance scale---would like him to depart so we can get a coach that is capable of fielding a team that can actually stay on the same field with sc and fla state and not be a complete embarrasment on national TV.
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Funny he wasn't a good coach either...Have we ever had...
Apr 2, 2014, 10:16 AM
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a good coach coots?
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Boom, roasted***
Apr 6, 2014, 2:51 PM
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Writer must be a SEC fan...***
Apr 2, 2014, 9:59 AM
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Good.
Apr 2, 2014, 10:10 AM
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That just gives 'im more motivation to prove 'em wrong.
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Agree
Apr 2, 2014, 10:14 AM
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Dabo could take USF / UCF to championships with the leftovers that resude in Florida. This article is terrible in that it uses fluff criteria for its end results.
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Jimbo kinda wins by default now
Apr 2, 2014, 10:35 AM
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1) Jimbo - has the natty 2) Petrino - built the Louisville program from nothing and won a BCS bowl there. Had Arkansas competitive and winning 10 games in the super tough SEC West, and they were a dumpster fire after he left. Maybe a POS as a person, but extremely good coach. 3) Dabo - Cutcliffe may be a better coach, but he still hasn't won anything (even a bowl), so I'm giving the nod to Dabo. 4) Cutcliffe - building Duke into a competitive program is obviously a huge accomplishment 5) Beamer - This ranking is only because of past accomplishments. the game has passed him by and VT is on the decline with him at the helm right now. Bobby Bowden type situation playing out? T6) Fedora/Golden - haven't quite gotten results at new schools yet, but both have potential and have shown signs. I like what Golden was able to accomplish at Temple and what Fedora did at Southern Miss. 8) Johnson - good coach, but an arsehole with an abrasive personality that can't recruit. 9-15) I don't care.
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Umm..okay.***
Apr 2, 2014, 10:37 AM
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Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach
Apr 2, 2014, 10:58 AM
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Help me out I'm an old fart but it seems to me if Dabo isn't responsible for the sucess of the football team we should just fire him. We could just keep the assistants that are responsible and save a lot of money. I have been out of the business community for a while but when I was in and you had a department that was not up to par, you hired a new manager and he came in, replaced staff and the department turned around you give him credit and if you could a raise.
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Is this a coaching staff ranking or a head coach ranking??
Apr 2, 2014, 11:33 AM
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As for coaching staffs, Clemson should be #2-3. As for ranking of the coach by himself, Dabo should be around #8. Dabo with Morris/Venables is a good coach. Without those two, Dabo is worthless. We all saw how poor he was with Napier and Steele. He cannot coach his way out of a wetpaper bag. He has to go out and hire the most expensive staff in the nation for him to succeed.
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Yeah. Your philosophy is flawed. Was SOS a good coach
Apr 2, 2014, 11:35 AM
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when his Cooter teams were losing to Vandy year after year?
OH YEAH!!!
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As much as I hate SOS, I think hes an excellent coach
Apr 2, 2014, 11:45 AM
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He's clearly a hall of fame college coach. He revolutionized the SEC when he came in with his passing game. He ran roughshod over that conference for over a decade. Now he's built one of the worst programs in college football into a perennial contender/top 10 team.
I dont see how any intelligent person can even compare Dumbo with SOS on a coaching level. Dabo is by far the better person. Hes the guy you want running your boyscout troop. SOS is the guy you want coaching your team.
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No thanks. How long did it take him to build up his team?
Apr 2, 2014, 11:53 AM
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He has not really ran roughshod over the conference if you look at the weakness of Florida and Tennessee over the last 3 years. Good timing I guess (luck) for SOS.
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The second you begin throwing around pejoratives at Dabo
Apr 2, 2014, 1:00 PM
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Is the second I think most everyone begins to completely dismiss anything you have to say.
Feel free to criticize, but calling him Dumbo immediately makes me think of you as the worst type of fan.
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Anybody who thinks Dabo is too low, picture Dabo without
Apr 2, 2014, 11:49 AM
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Morris next year and tell me how comfortable you feel about that!
Dabo hired Napier and Steele, both bad hires. then he hired Morris and Venables, good hires. So he's 50/50. Do you think he'll get as lucky as he did with Morris again?
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I'd feel fine. No more than 4 losses.***
Apr 2, 2014, 11:53 AM
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Re: Anybody who thinks Dabo is too low, picture Dabo without
Apr 2, 2014, 11:54 AM
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uh napier was a no brainer at the time. it did not work out. steele was one of the most sought after coaches in the country. what was dabo to do. good lord.
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You could remove dabo from the staff for next year and
Apr 2, 2014, 11:55 AM
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it wouldnt affect the W/L one single bit. So, how can he be a good coach if removing him doesnt change anything?
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Once again a very dumb comment. Oh, Lord what a troll you
Apr 2, 2014, 11:57 AM
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are.
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Dumb comment? Dabo brings no wins to the staff
Apr 2, 2014, 12:00 PM
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If you remove Petrino, Jimbo, Saban, Meyer, (all the top coaches) from their coaching staffs, they would lose more games and there'd be a drop off. Dabo, not so much.
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If you removed their excellent coaching staffs I challenge
Apr 2, 2014, 12:03 PM
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that statement.
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Re: Dumb comment? Dabo brings no wins to the staff
Apr 2, 2014, 12:04 PM
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So.....Dabo gets credit for all of the losses because he is the HC, but none of the wins because he has hired a really great staff?
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It's fun to make up completely off the wall bullshít
Apr 2, 2014, 12:06 PM
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scenarios that aren't based on any factual evidence but fit your deluded, moronic narrative!
If Dabo was removed from the Clemson coaching staff next year, we'd go 0-12, FACT.
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If we grant your premise, then your conclusion is valid
Apr 2, 2014, 12:49 PM
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But, your premise is pure and utter fantasy-land BS. It's circular logic.
1) You don't think Dabo is a good coach 2) Thus you think removing him wouldn't harm the W/L record 3) Thus you think Dabo isn't a very good coach.
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Not any more... It took a while to build the pressure, but
Apr 3, 2014, 10:35 AM
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this locomotive is getting ready to roll..
Message was edited by: SOLOS®
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I love this!
Apr 2, 2014, 12:04 PM
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We've got one heck of a coach who everybody else under values. That means while he continues to make this one of the best programs in nation, other schools might not try to steal him away.
And I laugh at all the comments about how he can't be a great coach and he only wins because he is surrounded by great coaches. Who the heck do you think hired them? I'm sure all of these "experts" were probably calling Dabo an idiot for hiring some coach only one year out of high school coaching.
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If this were an article about the best coordinators
Apr 2, 2014, 1:20 PM
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in the ACC, I beleive this author would rank Clemson #1 or #2, but it appears the author had an agenda.
Clemson has one of the very best records in CFB during the past 3 years, but that's not the scope of the article.
The essence of this article is that Dabo didn't do much before hiring Morris and Venables and it remains to be seen what will occur at Clemson after they leave.
The article is very unfair to Dabo, because CFB is mostly about "what have you done for me lately."
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I will vote to keep Dabo...whatever he is ranked.
Apr 2, 2014, 12:33 PM
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He is a perfect fit at Clemson! I hope he appreciates the job as much many of us appreciate the job he is doing. I would be fine with no other school ever coming after him.
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Doesn't make much sense...Petrino hasn't coached a day in
Apr 2, 2014, 12:50 PM
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this league and Dabo owns Beamer... Al Golden? I know he has overcome a lot of obstacles, but what has he won? And Duke? Flash in the pan...Grobe used to be in the Top 4 of ACC Coaches too, how'd that turn out?
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He has made chicken salad out of chicken chit !
Apr 2, 2014, 1:00 PM
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Remember when Coach Swinney took over? WE WERE HURTING. In a VERY short period of time, Clemson is now one of the TOP PROGRAMS in the Country AND
He has "done it right". We are NOT a football factory, we have CLASS, and I proud to be a Clemson Tiger fan ... proud to show the cool Tiger Paw here in the great State of Virginia, "The Mother Of Presidents" .....
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Wow! Dabo-devotion inspires more posts than any other topic!
Apr 2, 2014, 1:05 PM
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Jacoby Ford signs with the Jets and it generated 5 comments, so far. Morris discusses offensive progress and it generates 7 comments, so far. Some nobody at Athlon ranks Dabo 6th and it generates 144 comments, so far!
The TigerNet readership seems far, far more devoted to (or emotionally invested in) the head coach than the football team or its players. It always seemed that way with Tommy Bowden too. TigerNet posters are funny like that.
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Dabo is FAR more popular than Tommy EVER was...
Apr 2, 2014, 2:13 PM
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Even after Tommy's 9-3 season in his 2nd year. That what bring us 2 of our top 5 seasons of all time will do. EASILY our top 3 season's in the past 2 decades.
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It's CU's team but to HC-devotees like you, it's Dabo's team***
Apr 3, 2014, 4:08 PM
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So all those NCs in BB at UCLA weren't Wooden's? Bama
Apr 3, 2014, 5:40 PM
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isn't Saban's team? The Packers weren't Lombardi's? Spin that any way you want. The final decisions rest with the HC, good or bad...
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You strayed so far from my point, it's absurdly irrelevant.
Apr 3, 2014, 7:14 PM
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People can call it "Dabo's team" or "Obama's country". Whatever. That's irrelevant.
My point was this... Based on the low number of comments on most T-Net articles about the team, rankings, players, ex-players, progress reports, etc., and the huge number of comments on a silly opinion-article on a mediocre website ranking the ACC coach rankings, it seems that many more T-Netters (apparently like you) are far, far more emotionally invested in Dabo than in the Clemson football team.
I like Dabo but I'm a Clemson fan foremost.
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I'm terrible at my job. I hire great managers and great
Apr 2, 2014, 1:43 PM
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team members and we're very successful.
But I suck as a manager. Yeah, right.
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So Dimmich has a brother that writes for Athlon
Apr 2, 2014, 1:56 PM
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Someone tell Lassan to get back in the kitchen where he belongs.
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Al Golden at #5??
Apr 2, 2014, 3:49 PM
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You could make an argument for all the top 4 coaches being where they are, but Al Golden has a .500 record! I would slide Dabo in at either 3 or 4, behind Fisher, Beamer, and maybe David Cutcliffe.
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Bunch of malarchy***
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He's OVERATED***
Apr 2, 2014, 5:06 PM
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Nm
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April fools?***
Apr 2, 2014, 10:22 PM
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My knee jerk reaction was that you're right
Apr 2, 2014, 10:30 PM
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And that it is ridiculous.
But in thinking about it, I'm not so sure. While Jimbo Fisher IMO is the only coach that is clearly a better coach, I think coaches #2-#5 could be moved around and arguments made for any order from there. And I would put Dabo in that 2-5 range. Al Golden is the one that does not belong in that bunch... not sure why everyone thinks so highly of him. Because he turned around a Temple program right as they fell to the MAC? If I were ranking the coaches, I'd go....
1. Fisher 2. Petrino 3. Beamer 4. Swinney 5. Cutcliffe 6. Johnson 7. Golden 8. Addazio 9. Chryst 10. Fedora 11. Clawson 12. Shafer 13. London 14. Doeren
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Petrino would make a good OC. To rank him that high
Apr 3, 2014, 10:26 AM
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without having set foot on the field in the ACC is overly gratuitous. I certainly wouldn't want him as a head coach or an example for the players. His off-field antics are straight from 'comedy of the absurd'... As to Beamer, he's earned his epitaph ...
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SEC coaches
Apr 3, 2014, 12:06 AM
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Dank is a good coach. He is not a great coach. I am a died in the woommissionsl tiger fan, but I know reality when I see it. Dabo has a limited knowledge of x and o. He is not a Steve Spurrier or a Jumbo Fisher or even a Cutcliffe. He certainly is not a coordinator. He is a good manager and has good people around him as did Bobby Bowden. Without Chad, Clemson would not compete. Swinney is a great representative and a great recruiter. We may never make it to a National Championship game with him, but will be a top 15 program.
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Re: SEC coaches
Apr 3, 2014, 1:05 AM
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Go home RDW, you are drunk.
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Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach
Apr 3, 2014, 4:55 AM
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When I saw Golden ahead of Swinney I quit reading as to avoid wasting any time on rubbish... Golden may turn out to be a good coach, but Swinney has done an excellent job with Clemson while Golden has been somewhat mediocre considering he gets top 15 classes every year with the Miami brand...
And yes another step in the right direction would be to start beating FSU and Carolina more often, but honestly who in the entire country has fared better than FSU and Carolina the last couple years?? pretty much nobody outside of Bama...Basically every team in the nation outside of Bama needs to step up if they want to be on par with FSU...And TBH, I think that with the huge BCS bowl win against Ohio St., the Tigers actually had a better overall season than Carolina. They both had great seasons and finished in the top ten, but only Clemson got to a BCS bowl and beat a top 5 program in Ohio St...Yes the Tigers lost to Carolina, but you could also say Clemson beat Georgia who beat Carolina, which cancels that out a bit...Clemson has been a legit top ten team the last two years running, which is pretty much what you hope for every season, with the realization that if you can be a consistent top 10-15 performer your in good position to legitimately shoot for the top on a regular basis.
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Xactly!!! +1.***
Apr 3, 2014, 10:29 AM
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If only he could draw sketches of recruits: top 3 for sure!***
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Leave Markie alone... That could be meeting room material.***
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