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All-TigerNet [13190]
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You know who wants to take your guns?
Jun 19, 2015, 12:54 AM
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No one, but the gun manufacturers love the story. I find it funny that Obama has literally done nothing to disarm people. Hell, in Texas you now have open carry pretty much everywhere. You don't even need training or a licence, but if you ask the average Texan, they will tell you Obama is coming for their guns. He's got 2 years left, so if he is going to start disarming people he better hurry up.
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Heisman Winner [119727]
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Well, the libs have banned guns in liberal enclaves
Jun 19, 2015, 7:39 AM
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such as Chicago.
See how much good its doing there?
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Federal judge ruled that unconstitutional in Chicago.***
Jun 19, 2015, 9:44 AM
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Well, that's just a load of horse #####
Jun 19, 2015, 9:24 AM
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Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that isn't the intention, it's been stated multiple times, by multiple people in positions of power. Sorry brah, but the gun control crowd played their hand after Sandy Hook, the cats out of the bag now, we all know what the end game is.
The game plan is to take every tragedy as an opportunity to push for gun control, and that's precisely what happens.
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All-In [31907]
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Interesting thing is...the bill proposed after Sandy Hook...
Jun 19, 2015, 9:27 AM
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would have had no impact in the Charleston shooting, assuming reports that it was a reg magazine 45 that was given to him by his father.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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However, had they been able to sway some public
Jun 19, 2015, 9:34 AM
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opinion then, and gotten the bill passed, we'd be talking about expanding the regulations to ban hand guns now. The narrative would be "Nobody wants to take your rifles or shotguns for home defense or hunting, but this is for the good of the country" or some such B.S.
They're never trying to take anything away from you....until they do.
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All-In [31907]
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I don't disagree, my point was that the level of....
Jun 19, 2015, 9:49 AM
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"gun control" being talked about now is not germane to this discussion, since it was going after "assault-type" weapons, high capacity magazines, etc...even the private sale part wouldn't have been applicable since it was a gift (reported so far) from his father.
By the way...if the story on the gun being a gift is true, I hope they bring up the father on charges too...I'm sure they will.
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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What politician has ever been a proponent of taking
Jun 19, 2015, 9:50 AM
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rifles/shotguns away in this country? Has there ever been one?
Handguns have always been the issue as far as some requesting a ban and that's only been in our biggest cities.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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There was a lot of talk about banning semi-auto's
Jun 19, 2015, 9:54 AM
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which would have included many rifles. While I can't necessarily name one off the top of my head who has specifically said all guns, I don't think it's a stretch to think that is the case, particularly since most of the proposals would have done very little in the way of curbing gun violence. I think that has less to do with wanting to create a safer environment for the public, and more to do with chipping away and gun rights as a whole.
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: There was a lot of talk about banning semi-auto's
Jun 19, 2015, 10:08 AM
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great post!! their goal is complete removal of all guns from every one!
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Lite is rite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As usual, and keep 'em coming
Jun 19, 2015, 10:28 AM
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Lite, You rock!
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Right or wrong, the goal of all would be to create a safer
Jun 19, 2015, 10:26 AM
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environment. Why would someone want to chip away your rights just to chip away your rights. That's sounds good and all but seems kind of disingenuous.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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because there's a large segment of people who just don't
Jun 19, 2015, 10:32 AM
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Want the public to have them. There are a variety of motives, some just don't like guns, others I'm sure see them as an obstruction to control.
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Obstruction to control? Come on be serious. When you
Jun 19, 2015, 10:36 AM
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have the U.S. Military behind you as the Federal govt. does, ain't no one seeing gun owners as any kind of serious threat to total control, even if anyone in Washington wanted total control which no one does.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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You really think that?
Jun 19, 2015, 10:50 AM
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Particularly that nobody in Washington wants total control?
And I think we've got ample evidence to support the fact that just because you have a technologically advanced military, like we do, doesn't mean you can go about conquering whoever you want. I absolutely think many see it as an obstruction to control, how else do you explain the ever increasing militarization of our police forces? If guns and gun owners were not viewed as a serious threat, as you say, why the need for all of the military hardware?
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Especially since I would think a lot
Jun 19, 2015, 10:59 AM
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of military personal would not obey certain orders to subdue the general population if they were ordered to disarm them, I dare say many military people believe in the second amendment
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I think they'd get a lot more cooperation out of police***
Jun 19, 2015, 11:13 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Likewise
Jun 19, 2015, 11:11 AM
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It takes a lot of good faith to still believe they don't want total control in light of all the spying they do on us.
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Dang, silly me. I thought it had something to do with
Jun 19, 2015, 11:47 AM
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terrorism.
You seem to think, incorrectly, that they want total control just to have total control, and that there aren't legitimate reasons, rightly or wrongly, behind it.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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So you concede that they do, in fact, want control?
Jun 19, 2015, 1:03 PM
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I never said they didn't have their reasons for it.
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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No one wants total control but some people want to control
Jun 19, 2015, 1:48 PM
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guns and terrorist for sure.
You did say this though:
Want the public to have them. There are a variety of motives, some just don't like guns, others I'm sure see them as an obstruction to control.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I stand by it
Jun 19, 2015, 2:01 PM
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I don't think you can look at recent revelations and say that they're just trying to protect us, sounds a bit #### Cheneyish. Again, it appears that I don't quite have the good faith in government that you seem to have.
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: What politician has ever been a proponent of taking
Jun 19, 2015, 10:05 AM
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chucky schumer, that stupid blomberg, boxer, the other idiot from Calf..demos/libs as a group!!obummer, hillary.. how many do U want ??
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Please lake enlighten me
Jun 19, 2015, 12:39 PM
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Can you come up with any political scenario that involves gun control being passed? Even with democrats holding the house, senate, and presidency they couldn't get gun control passes. In fact, red state democrats want nothing to do with gun control because it's political suicide. So believe what you want, and stock up on all the overpriced fire power you can get your hands on. I mean it's your money.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I like how you turned "nobody wants to take your guns"
Jun 19, 2015, 1:05 PM
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into "it would be political suicide to do so". They want to do it, they just can't...for now.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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You sound paranoid....and you didn't answer the question
Jun 19, 2015, 1:27 PM
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Like I said, spend your money on artificially price inflated firearms if you want. The mere logistics of "banning" firearms (whatever that means) is already logistically impossible. What, in your opinion, would the federal government banning guns even look like?
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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You're the one who flip flopped, chief
Jun 19, 2015, 1:40 PM
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You simply can't say, "nobody wants to take your guns", can you? Because you have to admit, that just isn't the case. They just can't do it politically now, but they would if they could. I am paranoid of government, and you should be too. Nobody said I'm hoarding guns and ammo, nice assumption though.
I think the federal government banning guns would look a lot like the current drug war, but a lot bloodier and with more casualties. No knock raids, constant surveillance on the population, and a network of snitches turning over 'criminals' who possessed guns deemed illegal. Why this is so far fetched for some of y'all is beyond me, particularly for someone like yourself who recognizes the failures and injustices of law enforcement.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Why is it so far fetched?
Jun 19, 2015, 8:58 PM
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Mainly because the military overthrow (which is essentially what it would be) would have to be carried out by people who own guns of their own. That's just not going to fly with the people responsible for the round up. I'm also assuming this would have to happen on a federal level. Can you even fathom the manpower required to pull this off? It would be astronomical. The "war on drugs" is easier to handle, because the people in the war on drugs think that drugs are bad. The people that would have to "round up the guns" would not not participate.
Like I said, the only one who benefits from the "the guvmint is coming for muh guns" are the people selling the guns and ammo. Obama was supposed to round up all the guns a long time ago according the the paranoid...so, what is he waiting for?
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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This guy wants to take your guns:
Jun 19, 2015, 9:47 AM
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"No ones saying you can't carrry a gun, you just can't carry a gun in town!"
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Why do you hate Colt?
Jun 19, 2015, 10:06 AM
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They need all the "They're gonna take yer guns!" hype they can get.
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Oculus Spirit [81076]
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I do.
Jun 19, 2015, 10:11 AM
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But only if you have a stainless Ruger 1911 (copy) in .45 cal.
And maybe a full auto AK47 (legit Ak, not a Chinese knockoff) with suppressor.
and a Belgian Browning 12 ga aut (with the gold trigger) and a Benelli Over Under 12 gauge (30" full choke barrel please) or Charles Daly Miroku 12 ga over/under with the cherry stock. Double barrel is Ok too, but I can't hit crap with those.
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CU Medallion [51547]
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You have good tastes.
Jun 19, 2015, 11:03 AM
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I'd like a US Army version of the 1911. A Romanian/Russian/Czechoslovakian AK would be nice too.
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Oculus Spirit [81076]
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Thanks. The army version really needs some mods
Jun 19, 2015, 11:08 AM
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to make it shoot 100% and not feel all "junky". That's why I picked a stainless Ruger model. They have worked out what kinks it had and made it a pretty maintenance free sidearm.
It would be cool to have from a history perspective, though.
Why the Romanian/Russian/Czechoslovakian AK?
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CU Medallion [51547]
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I've heard from various sources that the Chinese verson
Jun 3, 2022, 1:15 PM
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used pressed steel or mix-matched parts to compile all the AKs they made. The European ones are supposedly pretty solid.
And that 1911 would be solely for historical value. I already have a .30 M1 carbine.
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Oculus Spirit [81076]
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That M1 would be a cool gun to have. One of the few to
Jun 19, 2015, 10:41 PM
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actually have a "clip".
Yeah, the Chinese made Norinco AK-47's I've shot lock up after about 20-30 rapid fire rounds. They are horrible.
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Oculus Spirit [93673]
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Why does he keep harping on it?
Jun 19, 2015, 1:56 PM
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He knows it isn't going to happen so just like the rest of the politicians he bullchits the public. I'm telling you guys this is the circus part of bread and circus and nothing more. It does not matter who takes office everything will be the same either way.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Are you accusing a politician of politicking?
Jun 19, 2015, 9:00 PM
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Shocking.
Why do Repbulican's harp on any number of ideas that they know for a fact would never pass, and even if passed would never make it past the supreme court?
I'll give you a hint...it's the same reason Obama talks about guns.
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