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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:08 PM
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In our 3 losses to Loyola Chicago, Louisville, and Morehead St we shot a combined 13-73 from 3 which works out to 17%.
These shooting performances were outliers on the season as we were second in the ACC in 3pt shooting percentage and had a great season shooting the ball.
Did Brownell coach our team differently in those games which led to the low shooting numbers? What do you all think brownell did differently in those games compared to others that we shot exceptionally well?
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Oculus Spirit [80349]
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When the 3 pointers aren't falling, it's time to go down low
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May 16, 2023, 1:13 PM
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and post up in the paint and get some higher percentage shots to fall, especially going 13-73 beyond the arc.
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The only outlier was...
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May 16, 2023, 1:14 PM
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Clemson regarding the NCAA Tournament.
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Orange Blooded [2000]
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The question is, why did we stay with the chuck and run?
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May 16, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Shouldn't a coach make an adjustment?
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Because on his best day, CBB is an average coach at best.***
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May 16, 2023, 1:16 PM
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CBB has averaged an 8th place finish in the ACC...
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May 16, 2023, 1:23 PM
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out of 16 teams, has won 50% of his conference games, and 57% of all games combined while at Clemson. That doesn't sound "average" to me.
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CU Guru [1575]
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Yeah,
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May 16, 2023, 3:14 PM
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that’s more mediocre than average
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Sometimes a team is cold from the outside. A better question is why wasn't the 3 abandoned during those games? If the 3 isn't falling then we should have attacked the paint. Of the 3 teams only Louisville would have matched up down low.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Wow.
You would have wanted Brownell to tell the team to stop taking any 3's? You are telling your 40% 3pt shooters that if they are open, don't shoot it? Talk about hurting a players confidence.
Also, if you tell your team not to take 3's, the defense is going to pack the paint and make it really hard to get anything going inside the arc.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:41 PM
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For someone that posts only about basketball....you sure don't know jack #### about basketball
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:43 PM
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Do you really have a Yuengling as your avatar? Embarrassing.
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Re: I think that making the NCAA Tournament would have...
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May 16, 2023, 1:43 PM
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You sound very smart.
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You should see me.***
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May 16, 2023, 1:44 PM
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
May 16, 2023, 1:48 PM
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Are you really that inept at basketball strategy? Do you stop shooting from the outside 100%? no, but you do stop chucking up 3's when no one can hit the broad side of a barn. Crash the paint until they defend it. Keep crashing the paint and then kick out for an open 15 footer. Try a few give and goes, or back door cuts. What you don't do is keep doing the same thing that isn't working. And I wouldn't give 2 $hit$ about player confidence in that instance. I'm not preventing him from shooting 3's in the next game but evidently it wasn't working in those games.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:54 PM
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Wow you should be a basketball coach!
Give the opposing team the ole, "give and go, or back door cut"
Let me guess, you also believe Brownell's offense is "throw it around the 3pt line and then jack up a 3" don't you?
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 2:29 PM
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Well, according you you the embarrassing quad 4 losses were due to poor 3 point shooting.
Are you just vomiting and trolling or were you just incompetent at whatever point you were trying to make?
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
May 16, 2023, 2:46 PM
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I can promise you this. I would be able to adjust during a game much better than this joke of a coach we have. If you can't see that we are a horrible offensive rebounding team and basically inept if the 3 isn't falling then I don't know what you've been watching during a Clemson basketball game.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 1:18 PM
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I don't think Brownell coached any differently in those losses than in other games where we shot better from 3. If he had coached differently he would have adjusted for our weaknesses in-game and put us in a better position to beat teams that had no business being on the court with us. Unfortunately, not managing game flow and adjustments well has been one of Brad's hallmarks over his 13 years here. Crushing long scoring droughts, blowing big leads, not identifying hot and cold hands - that's kind of his schtick.
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No pattern of losing is ever on the coaches.
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May 16, 2023, 1:18 PM
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It’s always the players who didn’t do what it takes to win.
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We have already established CBB had the best talent...
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May 16, 2023, 1:25 PM
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ever assembled at Clemson based on the number of NBA combine invites. It has to be something else.
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Re: We have already established CBB had the best talent...
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May 16, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Nobody has ever said that.
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Two questions...
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May 16, 2023, 1:49 PM
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1) Where do the most talented players in the world play professional basketball? NBA
2) Has Clemson ever had more than 2 players invited to the NBA combine? Not per your insinuation
So if we sent more players to the combine than at anytime in our history, and the combine is for the NBA, the place where the most talented players in the world go to play professional basketball, then the 22-23 Clemson basketball team must have been our most talented ever. This is your assertion.
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Re: Two questions...
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May 16, 2023, 2:22 PM
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1) Where do the most talented players in the world play professional basketball? NBA
2) Has Clemson ever had more than 2 players invited to the NBA combine? Not per your insinuation
So if we sent more players to the combine than at anytime in our history, and the combine is for the NBA, the place where the most talented players in the world go to play professional basketball, then the 22-23 Clemson basketball team must have been our most talented ever. This is your assertion.
Interesting thought. You do realize teams can hold 13 scholarships for student athletes, right? 2 players represent about 15% of the team. You need more than 2 great players.
Maybe watch some college basketball before commenting and insinuating others viewpoints.
Thanks
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So which players were really bad?***
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May 16, 2023, 2:29 PM
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Re: So which players were really bad?***
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May 16, 2023, 2:31 PM
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It's not Binary. You know this, troll.
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If the top 15% of our team was the best top 15% in Clemson..
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May 16, 2023, 2:36 PM
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basketball history based on NBA combine invites, that must be substantially offset by something for us not to even be one of the best 96 teams in the country. It's either coaching or supporting cast. You've established it's not coaching as CBB cannot make players hit their 3's, so it has to be supporting cast. Who were the weak links in the supporting cast?
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I don't think this information makes the point you intended.***
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May 16, 2023, 1:26 PM
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Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.***
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May 16, 2023, 1:40 PM
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I am asking a question. I am not trying to make a point.
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It was a rhetorical question, was it not?***
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May 16, 2023, 1:45 PM
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 2:08 PM
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Easy. Some nights the shots fall and some nights they don't which is why there will never be a team with an undefeated season. It is called basketball.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 2:27 PM
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and yet teams with competent coaching seem to win more of their games and have fewer embarrassing losses.
Some of them even make it to the NCAAs!
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
May 16, 2023, 2:10 PM
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Weren't you the one gushing about all the "talent" we have on our team several poasts ago? LOL
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Our most talented team in Clemson basketball history...
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May 16, 2023, 2:17 PM
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based on the number of NBA combine invites.
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Re: Our most talented team in Clemson basketball history...
May 16, 2023, 2:23 PM
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Yes, that is an historical measure of "greatness" for sure.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
May 16, 2023, 2:26 PM
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Maybe if we had a competent coach he would have seen the 3s weren't falling and come up with a way to get some 2 point baskets?
and all of the "great" transfers that are coming in are guards who are 3 point shooters.
More of the same...
Anybody who isn't an idiot knows that teams that live by the 3 die by the 3.
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Re: Why did we shoot so bad from 3 in our quad 4 losses?
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May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM
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Please define "live by the 3". We ranked 7th in the ACC in 3pt shot attempts per game. Is that living by the 3?
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We died when they didn't go in...
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May 16, 2023, 2:31 PM
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so yes?
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No it’s all the players fault. Brad has nothing to do with the losses
May 16, 2023, 2:52 PM
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Only the good wins.
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Re: No it’s all the players fault. Brad has nothing to do with the losses
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May 16, 2023, 2:55 PM
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Please show a link where I blame all good wins on Brad Brownell's coaching?
I am not like the haters on here that nonsensically blame every negative aspect of our program on Brownell. I am not like you.
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CU Guru [1553]
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"blame all good wins"
May 16, 2023, 3:08 PM
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Hoooo boy
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OK. Glad you got to vent all that. I don't think many of
May 16, 2023, 3:54 PM
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our players have been on our team for 13 years. In that time, we have made it to the NCAAT 3 times. One of the things that is common among all those teams is Brad Brownell. 3/13 NCAAT appearances = failure.
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