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Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?
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Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 7:24 AM

We played 4 man front 2 years ago with power rangers almost always but have gone to 3 man front last year and this year. Is it because of our personnel? Are we missing that many big bodies?

TIA

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Dec 7, 2020, 7:36 AM

Just a thought, and I'm not allowed in BV's meetings.

Could it be to add speed, to defense against running QB's? We no longer has Simmons, & Jones was out for a bit, but we need to keep a spy on Book.

It also allows more blitz packages, but constant pressure from 4 would be huge

Most likely, it has to do with personnel. However, with the thinning linebackers group, I think our DL is one (if not the) strongest position groups. I think both XT & Henry would benefit from lining up outside the tackles.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

Brent ain't telling so I guess it's up to all of the armchair quarterbacks to figure it out.

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Dec 7, 2020, 8:00 AM [ in reply to Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much? ]


Just a thought, and I'm not allowed in BV's meetings.

Could it be to add speed, to defense against running QB's? We no longer has Simmons, & Jones was out for a bit, but we need to keep a spy on Book.

It also allows more blitz packages, but constant pressure from 4 would be huge

Most likely, it has to do with personnel. However, with the thinning linebackers group, I think our DL is one (if not the) strongest position groups. I think both XT & Henry would benefit from lining up outside the tackles.



How is our LB group “thinning”? Jones is back so we are only down one LB (Jake) and the young pups are filling in nicely.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 11:19 AM

Maybe you didn't notice, but Skalski went out of the game pretty early, and with Jake out as well, Kane Patterson was getting the MLB snaps. He did pretty well, but I don't think that's a recipe for success for a full game against ND... hopefully Skalski is back for the ACCCG, because there is a big dropoff when he is out of the game.

We got some timely turnovers against VT. IDK if we can expect that against ND

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 8:00 AM [ in reply to Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much? ]


Just a thought, and I'm not allowed in BV's meetings.

Could it be to add speed, to defense against running QB's? We no longer has Simmons, & Jones was out for a bit, but we need to keep a spy on Book.

It also allows more blitz packages, but constant pressure from 4 would be huge

Most likely, it has to do with personnel. However, with the thinning linebackers group, I think our DL is one (if not the) strongest position groups. I think both XT & Henry would benefit from lining up outside the tackles.



How is our LB group “thinning”? Jones is back so we are only down one LB (Jake) and the young pups are filling in nicely.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 8:00 AM [ in reply to Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much? ]


Just a thought, and I'm not allowed in BV's meetings.

Could it be to add speed, to defense against running QB's? We no longer has Simmons, & Jones was out for a bit, but we need to keep a spy on Book.

It also allows more blitz packages, but constant pressure from 4 would be huge

Most likely, it has to do with personnel. However, with the thinning linebackers group, I think our DL is one (if not the) strongest position groups. I think both XT & Henry would benefit from lining up outside the tackles.



How is our LB group “thinning”? Jones is back so we are only down one LB (Jake) and the young pups are filling in nicely.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 8:21 AM [ in reply to Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much? ]

I hope that you're right. Because as the year has progressed Ian Book has become more of a weapon with his ability to gain crucial yards with his feet...and he's pretty fast.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 8:43 AM

I would like to see Simpson spying Book. With his speed and athleticism I am hoping he can resolve the 15 yard scrambles.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 7:37 AM

Yes. Was thinking about that last night too with all of them in the NFL. Historical. Just injuries and misses, same as oline. It's ashamed that every year since Trevor got on campus, our talent level has dropped.

We should have our new set of Power Rangers next year. Like Trevor, DJ should be set up nice with talent in his first year, especially if JR gets great news and comes back. Praying for the young man 2 get great news this week!

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I think you answered your own question when you mentioned the power rangers.


Dec 7, 2020, 7:40 AM

We don’t have those 4 NFL D linemen right now.

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 8:02 AM

Incorporating the Iowa State defensive philosophy more and more. They’ve had success slowing big 12 scrambling qb offenses with a 3 man front.

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I think you have it with responding to 5 receiver sets. We


Dec 7, 2020, 8:12 AM

have gone to more nickel packages in responding to the multi-receiver sets. It does give BV flexibility to blitz from almost anywhere, so the OLine does not know where the 4 or 5 man rushes are coming from. Seems a lot of this started with Clemson when the power rangers left and we were stronger on the back-end and had Simmons. We have seen a lot of Malcom Green the last few weeks and he seems to be around the ball on every play. Maybe he'll be the next Simmons!

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Re: I think you have it with responding to 5 receiver sets. We


Dec 7, 2020, 9:14 AM

https://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2020/12/1/21752054/clemson-purple-panther-eaters-tigers-trevor-lawrence-star-big-college-football-pitt-heisman-win


This article provides a great explanation

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Re: I think you have it with responding to 5 receiver sets. We


Dec 7, 2020, 9:14 AM [ in reply to I think you have it with responding to 5 receiver sets. We ]

https://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2020/12/1/21752054/clemson-purple-panther-eaters-tigers-trevor-lawrence-star-big-college-football-pitt-heisman-win


This article provides a great explanation

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Re: I think you have it with responding to 5 receiver sets. We


Dec 7, 2020, 9:14 AM [ in reply to I think you have it with responding to 5 receiver sets. We ]

https://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2020/12/1/21752054/clemson-purple-panther-eaters-tigers-trevor-lawrence-star-big-college-football-pitt-heisman-win


This article provides a great explanation

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Re: Why are we playing a 3 man front on defense so much?


Dec 7, 2020, 10:15 AM

The simplest answer is that we are both having to do it and we are choosing to do it.

First of all, playing so much 4 man line when we had the Power Rangers was as much about who was behind the Power Rangers as it was about the starters. Our depth was interior.

With the Power Rangers our 2 most talented and productive players were DTs in Wilkins and Lawrence. Reason #1 to keep 4 in.

We also had an NFL talent as backup at DT in Huggins. Also Nyles Pinckney was probably better then before his foot injury than he is now.

To add to that, taking Bryant off of the field vs one of our back up LBs was not going to happen because we had less LB depth/experience in '18 than we do now.

We also had XT as a reserve in '18 who was basically the same as when we bring in a blitz-backer now, only he lined up at DE (kind of) so we called it a 4 man front.

We currently have 2 DTs playing at a high level, 1 freshman and 1 sophomore who has missed most of the games. Our talent is young so going 3 man line and bringing in a talented LB or DB is more productive than bringing in a reserve DT.

Our talent at DE is also younger than it was with the Power Rangers. That isn't really affecting our pass rushing as much as it is affecting our ability to play against the run with 4 DL and 1-2 LBs. The Power Rangers didn't need much help in the run game because they knew where to be and how to leverage blocks to stop the run. Our youth is struggling with run fits and needs more LB and safety help vs the run. This is also a reason you see us giving up a lot of 3-4 yard runs vs stuffing a lot of runs at or behind the line with the Power Rangers.

That pretty much covers the why we HAVE to run more 3 man line now.

The reason we choose to do it is because, out of necessity last season, Venables discovered all of the problems that he can cause for opposing OLs and QBs in being so multiple with the 3-3 look.

He can run it with 2 DTs or 2 DEs, he can run it with a CB as the 3rd backer, he can turn it into a 3-4 in run situations, and most importantly he can bring pressure from absolutely anywhere.

He did run some of these same concepts before last season as well, but people still called it a 4 man front. He had Bryant and Ferrell drop in coverage or spread out to line up over the top of trips to one side. He was using a DE but that wasn't a 4 man line. He also ran it as a 4-1 with only 1 LB at times then and used our DE (often standing) in the same way that he now uses a blitzing LB and flipped Ferrell from side to side to overload the OL.

Our concepts have changed some but mostly Venables has more toys to play with now and he is learning how to use them.

Opposing offenses are going to need life support if in a year or two when we can get some experience on some of this massive young talent that we now have in the fold!

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