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All-In [26968]
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When you say you are "patriotic," what do you mean?
Apr 26, 2013, 8:51 AM
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Does patriotism mean "pride" for your country? If so, what is it about the country that you are proud of?
Or does it mean you are supportive of your country? Are there limits to this?
Is there a scenario in which you would no longer be patriotic about the US? What kind of circumstances might cause that?
I'm looking for your personal take, not necessarily for a "right answer".
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When I cry, I cry Eagle tears of freedom.***
Apr 26, 2013, 8:54 AM
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My nickname is Lee Greenwood
Apr 26, 2013, 8:55 AM
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That's how patriotic I am.
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Humbly report, sir, it is an oath taken twice
Apr 26, 2013, 8:57 AM
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I, Svejk, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
There are no limits to an oath. I support my President, whoever he may be.
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All-In [26968]
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"I support my President, whoever he may be."
Apr 26, 2013, 8:59 AM
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Hypothetically, if the President ordered the military to kill all children 2 years of age and under, to control population, would you support him?
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Heisman Winner [111751]
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Re: That's just plain effin silly.
Apr 26, 2013, 9:04 AM
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there is that, and supposedly he is also ordering drone strikes on Coffee shops and people's pool parties.
The people starting these silly rumors for political gain are the ones that need to be stripped of their patriot badges. IMO.
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YES!
Apr 26, 2013, 9:09 AM
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- Those that know what's up
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CU Guru [1226]
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Hypothetically report, sir, no.
Apr 26, 2013, 10:22 AM
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Hypothetically speaking, if you were ordered to sacrifice your only (legitimate) son to a Supreme Deity, would you support that Supreme Deity?
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All-In [26968]
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To my shame, I say probably not.
Apr 26, 2013, 10:24 AM
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He did exactly that for me, though.
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I'd probably have to fight an angel NOT to do it...
Apr 26, 2013, 11:21 AM
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rather than fighting the angel TO do it.
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On a scale of 1-10. 1 Being Stalin, 10 being Hannity
Apr 26, 2013, 9:20 AM
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I'd be about a 6.
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Re: On a scale of 1-10. 1 Being Stalin, 10 being Hannity
Apr 26, 2013, 10:37 AM
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Is this a scale of patriotic, or patronizing? just that you gave Hannity a ten.
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Oculus Spirit [97764]
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I'm proud of my country.......
Apr 26, 2013, 9:22 AM
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the 99.9% of it I don't see on TV or read about on the internet.
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All-In [26968]
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Do you mean the people? The principles?
Apr 26, 2013, 9:58 AM
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Just wondering what it is you are prideful about.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Methinks you're placing too much emphasis on "pride".
Apr 26, 2013, 10:11 AM
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Patrotism is love and support of one's nation, even in times when one may not be particularly proud of what's happening in it, or being done by it.
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I'm trying not to place emphasis on anything.
Apr 26, 2013, 10:19 AM
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I used "pride" because that's the word Tiggity used. In my original post, I asked if patriotism was "pride" or if it was something else.
If patriotism is "love" for the country, what is it about it that one loves? Or is it just an intrinsic love?
If patriotism is "support," then then what is it that is supported?
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Otay.***
Apr 26, 2013, 10:39 AM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Since you used "pride", in asking your question, it only
Apr 26, 2013, 10:43 AM
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stands to reason that respondents may well try to answer in those terms.
It's caused introducing bias into the survey.
But rock on.
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All-In [26968]
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I guess I think of it as "pride". But I want people to tell
Apr 26, 2013, 10:47 AM
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me, like you did, if they think that's wrong. Having a hard time getting the discussion off the ground. Maybe too heavy for the Lunge.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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You should have added some religion, or partisan politics.
Apr 26, 2013, 10:54 AM
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That's sure to get a real barn burner going.
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Re: When you say you are "patriotic," what do you mean?
Apr 26, 2013, 9:26 AM
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That I own a pickup truck and assault rifle***
Apr 26, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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If you were a real patriot you'd have
Apr 26, 2013, 10:40 AM
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an assault truck.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Are those the ones with brushguards?***
Apr 26, 2013, 10:45 AM
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Re: Are those the ones with brushguards?***
Apr 26, 2013, 10:49 AM
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here ya go.
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Is that a Bofors? Ah, that industrious Swedish neutrality.***
Apr 26, 2013, 11:13 AM
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There may come a time when I would say " Remember
Apr 26, 2013, 10:32 AM
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When Americans had a right or choice to do this _____ or that________,
Now those were good days. I was proud to be an Ameircan and proud of America."
I will always be Patriotic, but I may not always be supportive of our direction.
And I have an idea of how we should be, and will be supportive of the constitution and founding fathers. I feel I have a right to defend against tyranny.
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Re: There may come a time when I would say " Remember
Apr 26, 2013, 10:41 AM
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let me know when you come to understand that the Tyrants you speak of don't work for our government, they are just the ones that bribe them.
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Re: There may come a time when I would say " Remember
Apr 26, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Are you speaking of Soros or lobbyist?
I was referring to a bad day when a tyrant is our cic.
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All-In [26968]
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I admit that I am increasingly having trouble with this idea
Apr 26, 2013, 10:41 AM
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Of "patriotism". I increasingly find my country at odds with what I believe and stand for as a Christian. And not just the leaders. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." What does that flag stand for? Supposedly liberty and justice for all, I guess. Does it really, though? Will there come a time when I will not want to pledge my allegiance to that flag?
I know this line of thinking is downright heresy to some, especially in the gun-totin', flag-wavin' Bible Belt.
I am proud of how this country was started. I am proud of the things this country has accomplished. I am proud of and grateful for those who sacrifice themselves for my good. But I am not proud of the current state of my country. I disagree with most all of its leaders and what they're implementing. I do not stand for what America's leaders stand for. And it's increasingly becoming the case that I don't stand for what a majority of Americans stand for.
I'm wondering, out loud, does this make me unpatriotic? If so, do I want to be patriotic?
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It's not our country that is the problem but the idiot in
Apr 26, 2013, 10:52 AM
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the White House.
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See, I don't think I agree with that.***
Apr 26, 2013, 10:54 AM
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You pick any issue in America today and I can prove with
Apr 26, 2013, 11:13 AM
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direct evidence and numbers that liberal/progressive ideology either caused it or made it worse.
America is an ideal.
Freedom. Democracy. Capitalism.
Our Constitution calls from small limited and decentralized government.
America was built before the income tax and liberal ideology. Progressives use times of conflict and strife to con the masses to win elections so they can get into office and infest the system.
FDR used the depression and WWII for the first major expansion of government, LBJ used JFK's death and Vietnam for the second, Carter used the government created crises of the 70s, now Obama is using a media that has abandoned their fiduciary duty to America and a modern depression created by the liberal policies of the Clinton administration.
America is not the problem, it's people running America, people trying to change her, destroy her.
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All-In [26968]
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Let's go with that. Let's say they succeed in changing
Apr 26, 2013, 11:20 AM
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America, or "destroying" it is you know it. Would you still love "America" then? If the US became a completely socialist state, would you still love it?
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Yes, because America isn't the issue, the leadership, or
Apr 26, 2013, 11:40 AM
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lack thereof, is the problem.
Governments can change.
The UK was going down the toilet in the late 70s, but Thatcher saved it. Since Blair, however, the UK is going down the tubes again.
Wanna see the future of America?
Look at the HUGE problems and social issues starting to do real harm in the UK and France, primarily do to progressives and their false belief in multiculturalism and kissing the #### of Muslims because they were scared to offend them.
What lunacy.
Do Christians or Jews live by their own laws, or the laws of America? Hell no!!!! We all live under the same rules because we are all Americans.
Yet progressives bend over backwards to please Muslims, who are the ones with the real war on women and gays, not Christians. Progressives are fine with allowing Sharia law in this country. What the hell makes Muslims so special? They don't even believe in our core values and beliefs. Yet if you say screw that they need to assimilate or leave you get labeled a racist. What nonsense. This isn't about racism, it's about right and wrong, the rule of law. Progressive bash the overwhelming majority of America's population and #### on their Christian beliefs, but riot in the streets to protect the Islamic rights of a relatively few Muslims. That's simply insane.
It's like these idiots wanting an entire elementary school full of girls to be scared and offended by a little boy thinking he's a girl getting to use the girl's restroom so the 1 little boy isn't offended. Yea, that's smart, upset a hundred little girls and their family's to keep from offending 1 little boy. That's insane.
America use to be about everyone is equal but no one gets special treatment. If 99 people think one way and 1 person thinks another way fine, but the 1 better not think they can force the other 99 to accept them or kiss their ####. Progressives are destroying this country by flip flopping our core beliefs and values out of "fairness" and "equality" when the reality is those concepts don't exist. Life is not fair, we are not all created equal. Nature is nature and NOTHING can change that.
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Just ask the Zionists....***
Apr 26, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Most of that is to some degree true on some level but
Apr 26, 2013, 11:55 AM
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for the most part fodder for conspiracy theorists.
The FED, however, is our biggest problem. Clinton pushed Greenspan to flood the market with cash at cheap rates when the minor recession was already over by the time he was elected in '92. That policy led to the tech bubble and stock market crash right before Bush took office. It also led directly to the housing bubble and financial crisis we are still trying to recover from. Obama is doing the same thing, but it's a student loan bubble and another stock market bubble and financial crisis in the making.
Bush's mistake was letting Greenspan then Bernake talk him into keep rates so low and pumping more liquidity into a market already drowning in cheap money. Bush's admin did, however, see the housing and mortgage/banking crisis coming years in advance and tried to do something about it, but were blocked by the Democrats, primarily Barney Frank and a new Senator named Obama.
Bush gets blamed for a crisis created by Clinton, the FED, and Dems in Congress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM
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I'm kind of surprised you started with FDR
Apr 26, 2013, 11:54 AM
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I think you could start at square one with Washington. You could also say Jefferson and Lincoln took advantage of a vulnerable nation to institute certain ideals.
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Virtuoso [610]
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lol whatever. But Wilson wanted to toss the Constitution ...
Apr 26, 2013, 12:06 PM
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long before FDR but he didn't have a crisis to capitalize on.
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I'm both. And nothing can sway my opinion, my belief, in
Apr 26, 2013, 11:03 AM
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America.
In a very short period of time, Democracy, our Constitution, and capitalism have brought more people out of poverty, freed more people around the world, educated more people, and contributed more to science and technology than all other political systems and countries combined in the history of man kind.
There has never been a beacon of good, of freedom, of humanity like America, and there never will be.
We have our problems, yes, because no system is perfect and people are not perfect, but no other country has even dreamed of doing what we have done.
The problem is NOT America, the problem is radical progressive ideology trying to fundamentally change what ain't broken.
The problem is not America, but certain Americans. People are the problem, not America's core values and beliefs.
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I'm both. And nothing can sway my opinion, my belief, in
Apr 26, 2013, 11:04 AM
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America.
In a very short period of time, Democracy, our Constitution, and capitalism have brought more people out of poverty, freed more people around the world, educated more people, and contributed more to science and technology than all other political systems and countries combined in the history of man kind.
There has never been a beacon of good, of freedom, of humanity like America, and there never will be.
We have our problems, yes, because no system is perfect and people are not perfect, but no other country has even dreamed of doing what we have done.
The problem is NOT America, the problem is radical progressive ideology trying to fundamentally change what ain't broken.
The problem is not America, but certain Americans. People are the problem, not America's core values and beliefs.
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All-In [26968]
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Sounds like you are "patriotic" towards certain values
Apr 26, 2013, 11:09 AM
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That "America" holds, and not a physical entity. I think most people would agree with that.
I wonder, could there come a time when "America" no longer holds those values? Do you believe a majority of Americans still do hold them?
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You asked a question, I answed, you have no right to spin it
Apr 26, 2013, 11:22 AM
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either agree or disagree, but don't tell me what I think.
Sorry, but you seem to be a typical liberal moron that doesn't like America. Read what you're writing.
First, America is just dirt, same as any other country.
Why is America the greatest country ever?
Our founding fathers, our Constitution, our people.
People from all over the world come to America for the "American Dream".
The only difference in America now and 200 years ago is idiots taking over Washington that don't value our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our Declaration of Independence.
America is not the issue, America is not letting me down, the moronic IQ of the average American today and the incompetent, morally bankrupt, liberals and neo-cons they keep electing are letting me down.
Guns don't kill, people do.
Christianity isn't flawed, Christians are.
etc. etc. etc.
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All-In [26968]
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Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you.
Apr 26, 2013, 11:23 AM
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I have enjoyed your posts in this thread, and they have helped me.
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I'm not upset, but I do get PO'd when somene asks my
Apr 26, 2013, 11:58 AM
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opinion then tries to tell me what I'm saying or thinking.
But I appreciate you asking the question and creating a dialog.
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Sorry. I thought I was repeating what you said,
Apr 26, 2013, 12:01 PM
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in my own words, for my own clarity of thought. I wasn't trying to tell you what you were thinking.
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